There's no rift. What I've been told is that Clark doesn't believe in Cassel the way Pioli does and is being more hands on in trying to fix problems, but in the end, Clark will defer to Scott.

Hunt is like a giddy high schooler that he even got Pioli to interview for the job. Pioli saves Clark money by cutting down the copy budget and eliminating unnecessary staff.

Clark loves him some Pioli.

Although I don't see any coaches out there that are realy exciting right now.

So Clark wants Cassel gone?

Great. Any rumors on why Pioli seemed shell shocked the day Haley was fired? Something went down that day....

He at least wants competition.

Clark actually listens to fan complaints (if you can believe that). He knows that this fan base is spent with Cassel. However, Pioli will continue to beat that drum.

In the end, Pioli wins. Clark doesn't wear any pants in the relationship.

Pioli called Bill Belichick up hey look I'm gonna take alot of heat for hiring McDaniels can you act like you want him back thanks.

Well thats good to hear that Clark cares. Bullshit that Pioli thinks Cassel is more than he is.

I'm tired of Cassel. He's had three years. Move on.

So what does Pioli really think of Cassel?

ROFL You guys.

Amazing that Pioli is betting his career on Cassel.

If Cassel is back there is going to be a huge fan backlash. Pioli has to see that. If Cassel is back and does good we all look like tools and Pioli looks like a genious. If Cassel is back and stinks it up again Pioli should be fired immediatelty.

This year was on Cassel the injuries and him getting injured gave him a pass, which IMO is shit but whatever.

The fact that this looked like a different ofense with Orton under center should be very telling.

I just have a guess...

It was more relief than shell-shocked. It was a long, long year for both of them and the way Haley handled the prep and the way the team played against the Jets sealed Haley's fate.

Do you think Pioli thinks he's tied to Cassel? Lie if he fails they both fail?

I think Pioli views Cassel far differently than everywhere else.

What's hilarious is that Pioli and BB would have cut Cassel in the preseason of 2008. He was actually one of the last cuts but the lack of progression by Kevin O'Connell and Matt Guiterrez. Guiterrez outplayed Cassel in that 2008 preseason.

I just don't see how he can be viewed as a legit franchise qb.

It just beffuddles me.

I honestly don't think Pioli is tied to anyone. Just because he hand picked someone doesn't mean he's tied to them. He hand picked Haley, and then fired him.

Getting Cassel was a terrible decision, but I haven't seen anything that suggests that Pioli is tied to him. Yeah he hasn't drafted a franchise QB, but then again, who in the past 3 drafts has he missed out on?

Cassel is Pioli's ego plain and simple. It was his scouting, his draft pick, his trade, and his big signing. Its Pioli thinking he is smarter than everybody else.

I think we will resign Orton to compete with Cassel

My hope is Cassel was a stop gap guy. Pioli knew he could be a leader and help lead thru the transition.

This is the year he gets the guy to steer the ship.

It seems pretty simple -- you let Pioli hire McDaniels and keep Cassel....and then you hold him responsible for the outcome. This no one in charge bullshit is the worst.

I don't think Pioli wants competition for Cassel.

He won't beat out Orton.

No, Cassel was not the stop gap. Pioli brought him in thinking that he was a franchise QB.

After seeing Tom Brady day in day out I just refuse to beleive this. There is no way someone can think Matt Cassel is a franchise quarterback. He didnt' play in HIgh school, didn'n't play in college, barely played in the NFL.

It's pathetic.

You really don't think Pioli is firmly in Cassel's corner?

The guy has done nothing to provide competition for the guy in 3 years. Nothing. No dependable backup. It was Cassel's team sink or swim with no safety net.

Pioli gave the guy 63 million without him taking one snap as a member of the Chiefs.

Firing a head coach that makes about 2.5 million a year is far different than getting rid of the mistake that has already provided a sunk cost of 28 million and a 2nd round pick.

A lot of people thought he was good after 2008. Shit, some of the people on Patriots boards were willing to trade Tom Brady just so Cassel could be kept.

JFC! If there is a QB competition between 2 QB's that have 60 career starts... give or take a few for each one... then every single coach and talent evaluator for the team should be fired asap. If there is a QB competition, it damn well better be between Orton and Stanzi/1st round draft pick, or Cassel and Stanzi/1st round draft pick.

He played in high school, he was one of the top ranked qbs in the nation.

Oh pardon me. I just remember seeign that he had to play special teams and tight end to see the field at USC.

In the end the only question that should be asked is "Can Matt Cassel win a superbowl?"

If not then whats the point? Isn't that the ultimate goal?

Just because he's already sunk 28 million doesn't mean he'll just allow Cassel to keep starting. That makes no sense.

Yes, Pioli thought Cassel was a franchise QB. That doesn't mean that after 3 underwhelming years, he can't change his mind.

By "changing his mind" that would signal that he was wrong.

From what I've read about he guy he isn't very good at that.

The last year doesn't, and shouldn't, count.

Yes, that explains why Todd Haley is still the head coach.

Haley had to go.

I have no doubt that if Cassel wouldn't have gotten hurt we woudln't be having this discussion right now. HIs injury happened at the perfect time for him.

I can't and won't speak to what Pioli has done at KC, but I can honestly tell you that one of BB's **strengths** is acknowledging that mistakes are inevitable and the best thing to do is move on from them quickly.

First, get extra draft picks because even if you pick well, you'll miss on damn near 50% of them. Extra picks means you're not stuck with them if you do miss. It gives you the luxury to move on.

If you try FAs and they don't work out, dump 'em as soon as possible after they become problems (Adalius Thomas, Albert Haynesworth).

I'd be surprised if Pioli didn't learn this basic lesson. The only thing worse for your team than making a mistake is refusing to move on from it.

How can you say three underwhelming seasons when last year he made it to the pro bowl and this year he only played half a season with nothing but injuries and fail all around him. Arron Rodgers would've looked like Matt Cassell under bill Muir, gimme a break.

Dude the trolling is getting tired. Put it to bed.

I agree about BB.

I hope Pioli does the same thing. I just don't see that happening.

You just know im right so you keep saying im trolling. That's the shit that is getting tired son.

Oh I agree.

I think Cassel is a top 5 qb in the league.

Orton looked fine under that same scenario... without 3 years to get accustomed to the same players that Cassel played with this season. And Orton looked closer to Rodgers, while Cassel resembled Palko.

Thank you. Now stop being a Bitch and tell these fools we already got our QBOTF..

OOOOh Coogs dropped one on you there.

Ortons a damn fine qb too.

I'm not sure Orton is our QBOTF. But he is a pretty fair stop gap.

oh and once Haley got fired a lot of the offensive plays got changed. Cassell would have more than likely duplicated ortons production if not exceeded it.

I think with Orton, we can win a Superbowl.

He had to play those 3 games without Moeaki and Charles. He should get a chacne next year.

He could be if Cassell isn't here already

LMAO

Sorry bro. I know you are trying really hard, but they really didn't

Orton is gonna probably put up 4500 plus pass yards with this offense next year.

Pfffffft, who'd wanna play for, or work for, the Pats!!!

Disclaimer: I want us to draft and develop a QBOTF.

That said...

I am not going to say Orton can win us a SB...but...I think he CAN win us playoff game or two...

I also believe he is a step up from a Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson.

Just sayin...

Orton throws a much better ball than Cassel. Hell he throws a better ball than Brees. He should be given a chance with Charles and Mo to show who he really is.

The play calling before he got hurt was horrendous, they were trying to overcompensate for the injuries. Can't say I blame them

Well, the jury is in on Cassel. He isn't the QBOTF. And as far as stop gap... well, his time is up.

Well I'm troll battling LA, but I would like to see what Orton could do with a full stable of this offense.

Lol, and you say I'M trolling. JFC

How were they trying to overcompensate?

We lost our best rb so they were trying to throw more? And what happened?

psst! we had the same injuries post Cassel.

Don't agree with that statement their brudda...

My trolling is getting better and better.

Thanks LA for the help.

Pioli's ego, the thing that we were all warned about, is the same thing that will prevent him from admitting mistakes.

"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of a small mind."

Actually they reigned him in and played ultra conservative. With Cassell you gotta let him loose a little bit

That's what i'm saying, after the Cassell injury and haleys departure everything changed

Orton had 780 yards in 3 games. 780/3 = 260 per game. 260 X 16 = 4160. I'd say 4500 is a doable thing for Orton.

Haha now Orton its better than brees. This guy is a clown, at least I back my shit up with facts

After Cassel's injury, Palko showed that we had open receivers down the field that Cassel could not find. Only problem was, Palko could not get it to them. Orton can/could. Case closed.

Yes, because you're only actually committed to that franchise number of 14 for the first year. We owned his rights for the next year due to the expiration of the CBA, and after his horrible performance, could have lowballed him or let him walk.

We owned his rights for two years at 14 million + and undetermined amount. There's no need to give him $60, or $28 for that matter.

You ****ed up thats not what you were saying.

Nothing changed after Haleys departure in terms of playcalling.

ya let's forget that Charles will be back and defenses will have extra time to prepare for him. Wtf is a matter with you people?

Wouldn't Charles coming back put more guys up in the box and make it easier to throw?

that's exactly what I said.

LOL...

...you're a fish outta water.

Ummm! Nothing. :shrug:

Orton could very well break Brees record for yards next year.

Hell he might break the td record too.

And i'm sure he'll take up 0 percent of the offensive production. This is like arguing with a five yearold

Well we ran it the same amount this year that we did last year with Charles so............