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Hammock Parties 04-30-2012 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave (Post 8583540)
Could someone please explain to me why its cool to be so negative about your favorite team?

It's not that it's cool.

It's more that it's not cool to be positive when we have idiots stacked on top of idiots in key leadership positions, dragging down an otherwise talented team.

vailpass 04-30-2012 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave (Post 8583540)
Could someone please explain to me why its cool to be so negative about your favorite team?

You always hurt the one you love

BigMeatballDave 04-30-2012 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 8583542)
It's called being realistic.

You can be realistic without the negativity. It doesnt make you a homer or True Fan.

Chiefnj2 04-30-2012 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave (Post 8583523)
So, you have no faith on our D?

The D that gave up blowout losses to the Jets, Bills, Lions, Dolphins and Pats?

Very inconsistent.

Titty Meat 04-30-2012 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave (Post 8583547)
You can be realistic without the negativity. It doesnt make you a homer or True Fan.

How was I being negative? I was making an argument based on facts.

BigMeatballDave 04-30-2012 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8583549)
The D that gave up blowout losses to the Jets, Bills, Lions, Dolphins and Pats?

Very inconsistent.

Mostly due to a horrible offense.

If you continue to put you D in the position that they were, this shit happens.

You'd know this if you weren't a moron.

Hammock Parties 04-30-2012 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8583549)
The D that gave up blowout losses to the Jets, Bills, Lions, Dolphins and Pats?

Very inconsistent.

Common denominator during those blowouts: terrible QB play, especially on third down.

That's why Kyle Orton is my sweet baboo. At least he can move those chains.

BigMeatballDave 04-30-2012 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Satanic Goat (Post 8583557)
Common denominator during those blowouts: terrible QB play, especially on third down.

That's why Kyle Orton is my sweet baboo. At least he can move those chains.

Sweet Baboo? LOL

Chiefnj2 04-30-2012 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave (Post 8583556)
Mostly due to a horrible offense.

If you continue to put you D in the position that they were, this shit happens.

You'd know this if you weren't a moron.

I thought the Jets and Bills and perhaps even the Lions had the ball first and drove their team to TD's even before a single 3 and out.

Blick 04-30-2012 04:25 PM

Our defense has shown the ability to frustrate good QB's if Romeo dials up the pressure.

Look at the last time we played Manning. Last year with Rodgers. Big Ben. Rivers threw for a lot of yards but 0 TD's and 4 picks.

The idea that we can't compete against real QB's or a tough schedule is wrong.

BigMeatballDave 04-30-2012 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8583570)
I thought the Jets and Bills and perhaps even the Lions had the ball first and drove their team to TD's even before a single 3 and out.

OMG THATS HORRIBLE

BigMeatballDave 04-30-2012 04:27 PM

Fix the offense and score some points.

That goes a LONG way in helping a D.

Hammock Parties 04-30-2012 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8583570)
I thought the Jets and Bills and perhaps even the Lions had the ball first and drove their team to TD's even before a single 3 and out.

Yes on all 3.

And that's why it's so important to have a QB who can respond.

Hammock Parties 04-30-2012 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blick (Post 8583578)
The idea that we can't compete against real QB's or a tough schedule is wrong.

Compete? Sure.

Win enough games to go to the postseason? No.

BigMeatballDave 04-30-2012 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Satanic Goat (Post 8583588)
Yes on all 3.

And that's why it's so important to have a QB who can respond.

Hey. Thats the smartest thing you've said all day. :evil:

Hammock Parties 04-30-2012 04:30 PM

We let Tim Tebow and Matt Moore waltz into Arrowhead last year and make Cassel look like a chump.

I have a lot of confidence in him this year!

BigMeatballDave 04-30-2012 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Satanic Goat (Post 8583593)
We let Tim Tebow and Matt Moore waltz into Arrowhead last year and make Cassel look like a chump.

I have a lot of confidence in him this year!

I think that was the nadir of Cassel.

It will be better this season.

Though not good enough to compete in the post-season.

That said, I'm on Quinn's bandwagon!

WOOT

hometeam 04-30-2012 04:51 PM

We have no QB, so no matter how good our team is on paper, we arent going to compete for a championship. Thats why no-name out of market asshats place us at #28 in the league.

TEX 04-30-2012 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8583454)
It's good enough - just good enough - to make the playoffs and make the front office believe that Cassel is good enough to keep. :shake:

Unfortunately - you might be right. Back to the future.

Bearcat 04-30-2012 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blick (Post 8583578)
The idea that we can't compete against real QB's or a tough schedule is wrong.

Well, against the top half of the list in the OP, the Chiefs are 4-8 with a combined score of 169-290 over the past 2 seasons (and that includes a 21 point win over a 49ers team that started 0-5 and finished 6-10, or else it's 3-8 / 138-280).... any given Sunday, lots of parity etc; but that's not exactly competitive.

ILChief 04-30-2012 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Satanic Goat (Post 8583593)
We let Tim Tebow and Matt Moore waltz into Arrowhead last year and make Cassel look like a chump.

I have a lot of confidence in him this year!

Cassel doesnt need tebow or Moore to make him look like a chump. He is perfectly capable of doing that on his own

Blick 04-30-2012 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Satanic Goat (Post 8583590)
Compete? Sure.

Win enough games to go to the postseason? No.

Yeah, we're a middle of the pack team, not the 5th worst team in the league.

Pasta Little Brioni 04-30-2012 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCrockaholic (Post 8583144)
People would complain because we wouldn't have the talent to make it to multiple Super Bowls and that it was just a one time, luck thing.

And that's regardless of if our team actually was extremely talented or not.

I really can't disagree with this, heh.

BigMeatballDave 04-30-2012 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCrockaholic (Post 8583144)
People would complain because we wouldn't have the talent to make it to multiple Super Bowls and that it was just a one time, luck thing.

And that's regardless of if our team actually was extremely talented or not.

I'm sure a handful of the usual suspects would tell us its a fluke.

Blick 04-30-2012 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 8583753)
Well, against the top half of the list in the OP, the Chiefs are 4-8 with a combined score of 169-290 over the past 2 seasons (and that includes a 21 point win over a 49ers team that started 0-5 and finished 6-10, or else it's 3-8 / 138-280).... any given Sunday, lots of parity etc; but that's not exactly competitive.

I think we'll be competitive going forward if Romeo is aggressive with pressure.

I think that is the main reason for the inconsistency on defense.

Hopefully with the emergence of Houston late last year, Romeo will use him more to help Hali get after the QB.

Mother****erJones 04-30-2012 05:43 PM

My email to Michael Silver

Michael, I read your power rankings. KC is 28th? Are you ****ing high? They have one of the most talented rosters outside of QB. Ya Cassel isnt Brady but he isnt Colt McCoy. KC won 7 games without Berry, Charles, Moeaki, and Cassel for half the year. And KC beat the Packers! You are without a doubt the stupidest mother****er on the face of the earth. Try again dumbass. And not to mention they got one of the best RTs in the game in Free Agency to go along with a good backup TE in Boss, a good RB in Hillis who excelled under Daboll, solid CB replacement in Routt for Carr. Routt will be fine because he isn't in Oakland. The ****ing Browns are not better. Man you are a moronic ****ing sports writer! Where did you get your GED from? If all you want is a reaction to your articles well here it is. Jesus youre stupid.

Michael Wilson

Brock 04-30-2012 05:44 PM

Oh snap.

vailpass 04-30-2012 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dtchiefs4life (Post 8583786)
My email to Michael Silver

Michael, I read your power rankings. KC is 28th? Are you ****ing high? They have one of the most talented rosters outside of QB. Ya Cassel isnt Brady but he isnt Colt McCoy. KC won 7 games without Berry, Charles, Moeaki, and Cassel for half the year. And KC beat the Packers! You are without a doubt the stupidest mother****er on the face of the earth. Try again dumbass. And not to mention they got one of the best RTs in the game in Free Agency to go along with a good backup TE in Boss, a good RB in Hillis who excelled under Daboll, solid CB replacement in Routt for Carr. Routt will be fine because he isn't in Oakland. The ****ing Browns are not better. Man you are a moronic ****ing sports writer! Where did you get your GED from? If all you want is a reaction to your articles well here it is. Jesus youre stupid.

Michael Wilson

Silver's response above.

Tombstone RJ 04-30-2012 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dtchiefs4life (Post 8583786)
My email to Michael Silver

Michael, I read your power rankings. KC is 28th? Are you ****ing high? They have one of the most talented rosters outside of QB. Ya Cassel isnt Brady but he isnt Colt McCoy. KC won 7 games without Berry, Charles, Moeaki, and Cassel for half the year. And KC beat the Packers! You are without a doubt the stupidest mother****er on the face of the earth. Try again dumbass. And not to mention they got one of the best RTs in the game in Free Agency to go along with a good backup TE in Boss, a good RB in Hillis who excelled under Daboll, solid CB replacement in Routt for Carr. Routt will be fine because he isn't in Oakland. The ****ing Browns are not better. Man you are a moronic ****ing sports writer! Where did you get your GED from? If all you want is a reaction to your articles well here it is. Jesus youre stupid.

Michael Wilson


you ok bro?

Pasta Little Brioni 04-30-2012 06:00 PM

This is an utter abortion of an aritcle and one of mass dumbassery and cluelessness.

Mother****erJones 04-30-2012 06:00 PM

Im fine. I just cant believe he's got Cleveland and St. Louis ahead of us. **** him

Easy 6 04-30-2012 06:06 PM

He's apparently basing it all on Cassel, fair enough i guess... but really, who cares what Hyman Roth thinks, as long as Cassel doesnt completely shit the bed KC will beat up on several teams that no one expects us to.

Theres really no reason that this team shouldnt make the playoffs this year, what Cassel does once there is another question, but theres absolutely no question that this is a playoff worthy team.

Hammock Parties 04-30-2012 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by PGM (Post 8583820)
This is an utter abortion of an aritcle and one of mass dumbassery and cluelessness.

Everything Silver says should be taken with a huge grain of salt. He is a massive Raiders fan and said they'd win the AFC West last year and play in the AFCC.

Pasta Little Brioni 04-30-2012 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Satanic Goat (Post 8583843)
Everything Silver says should be taken with a huge grain of salt. He is a massive Raiders fan and said they'd win the AFC West last year and play in the AFCC.

ROFL Holy shit he's Reighters

Marcellus 04-30-2012 06:19 PM

We were better than the 28th best team last year with Palko starting 3 games or whatever and 3 of our best young players on IR all season.

Give me a ****ing break.

Pasta Little Brioni 04-30-2012 06:21 PM

How these guys stay employed is a great mystery.

Hammock Parties 04-30-2012 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PGM (Post 8583867)
How these guys stay employed is a great mystery.

Yahoo seems to employ a lot of dipshit homer writers.

Psyko Tek 04-30-2012 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8582823)
Whether or not I disagree with his #28 ranking, I ABSOLUTELY understand his explanation.

THIS

BigRock 04-30-2012 06:51 PM

Michael Silver is a big Todd Haley fan, seems to hate Pioli with a passion, and those two things tend to bleed into everything he writes about KC.

Unfortunately, a lot of what he's written about KC over the last year has turned out to be pretty accurate. Including the last thing he wrote that outraged everybody, which was that Peyton Manning would be crazy to even consider coming here. And lo and behold, he didn't consider it.

Chiefnj2 04-30-2012 07:11 PM

Waaah, we should be ranked 23rd instead of 28, waaah.

BigMeatballDave 04-30-2012 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8583951)
Waaah, we should be ranked 23rd instead of 28, waaah.

Awww. Look at you trying to take on a drafturbator persona :)

BossChief 04-30-2012 08:22 PM

In a way, I wish we were that bad.

Maybe then we would have a chance at a real quarterback next April and have hope to win it all in a couple years.

Reality is we have a better shot at being a playoff team next year than drafting in the top 5.

I'm just gonna try to enjoy the ride and trust that Cassel is on a short leash and that Stanzi will get a chance this year.

O.city 04-30-2012 08:34 PM

I wanna let you all know.



As some of you know I'm currently in my second year of dental school, second semester. So close to being in the clinic and seeing patients I can taste it.


Well these last two weeks I have had 16 finals. Has not been a joyous couple weeks. Only 4 left.


Anyway, after having my head in books for a while, I find my self day dreaming at times about this draft and Chiefs football. I've come away extremely optimistic. I am intrigued by what Poe can bring to the table. If he can do what the front office thinks he can do, we should field a good defense.


Still have to worry about the qb spot, but I think Stanzi will have it on lockdown soon enough.


Excited about this season and this years rookie crop. Hopefully it's a fun ride.

lewdog 04-30-2012 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8584177)
I wanna let you all know.



As some of you know I'm currently in my second year of dental school, second semester. So close to being in the clinic and seeing patients I can taste it.


Well these last two weeks I have had 16 finals. Has not been a joyous couple weeks. Only 4 left.


Anyway, after having my head in books for a while, I find my self day dreaming at times about this draft and Chiefs football. I've come away extremely optimistic. I am intrigued by what Poe can bring to the table. If he can do what the front office thinks he can do, we should field a good defense.


Still have to worry about the qb spot, but I think Stanzi will have it on lockdown soon enough.


Excited about this season and this years rookie crop. Hopefully it's a fun ride.

Free dental cleaning for all Chiefs fans?

Fish 04-30-2012 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dtchiefs4life (Post 8583786)
My email to Michael Silver

Michael, I read your power rankings. KC is 28th? Are you ****ing high? They have one of the most talented rosters outside of QB. Ya Cassel isnt Brady but he isnt Colt McCoy. KC won 7 games without Berry, Charles, Moeaki, and Cassel for half the year. And KC beat the Packers! You are without a doubt the stupidest mother****er on the face of the earth. Try again dumbass. And not to mention they got one of the best RTs in the game in Free Agency to go along with a good backup TE in Boss, a good RB in Hillis who excelled under Daboll, solid CB replacement in Routt for Carr. Routt will be fine because he isn't in Oakland. The ****ing Browns are not better. Man you are a moronic ****ing sports writer! Where did you get your GED from? If all you want is a reaction to your articles well here it is. Jesus youre stupid.

Michael Wilson

Ohh man, that'll teach him!!

Simply Red 04-30-2012 08:40 PM

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O.city 04-30-2012 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lewdog (Post 8584181)
Free dental cleaning for all Chiefs fans?

Ha. Gotta pay the bills bro. School ain't cheap.

Psyko Tek 04-30-2012 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan (Post 8582861)
Hell yeah, when we start 6-0 and Cassel looks to be headed for another pro-bowl idiot fake fans like you will be begging for redemption.

will be amazed and confused, and loving every minute of it
and very very surprised

KCrockaholic 04-30-2012 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRock (Post 8583925)
Michael Silver is a big Todd Haley fan, seems to hate Pioli with a passion, and those two things tend to bleed into everything he writes about KC.

Unfortunately, a lot of what he's written about KC over the last year has turned out to be pretty accurate. Including the last thing he wrote that outraged everybody, which was that Peyton Manning would be crazy to even consider coming here. And lo and behold, he didn't consider it.

That's pretty subjective. You're saying he was correct in saying that PM would've been crazy to consider the Chiefs? Silver didn't say Peyton Manning won't consider the Chiefs. It was pretty foolish of Peyton not to consider the Chiefs. But his ego probably wouldn't have worked with Pioli's anyway.

Silver is a know nothing POS. Like the majority of national writers.

aturnis 04-30-2012 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 8582857)
And so have the fans.

Good post, DJ.

Really? Outside of the QB position, the Chiefs have one of the most underrated rosters in the league. Now we're building depth for that roster? Look out. Get a QB and let's roll.

BigMeatballDave 04-30-2012 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 8584406)
Really? Outside of the QB position, the Chiefs have one of the most underrated rosters in the league. Now we're building depth for that roster? Look out. Get a QB and let's roll.

OTWP's negativity cup hath runneth over. :)

TimeForWasp 04-30-2012 10:46 PM

I think it depends on how our new OC does. I have a feeling we will be close to being the No 1 running offense this year. I bet we run a whole bunch , to the point of almost being boring. But that will be good to keep the good offenses off the field. I don't think they will put much on Cassels shoulders.

RealSNR 05-01-2012 12:32 AM

The 28th best team in the NFL would be comparable to the Chiefs roster from 2009. That had Matt Cassel as its starting QB, and ****ing rape and shit and cum everywhere else except for CB. It was 5th in draft order, meaning it was the 5th worst, giving it the 28th ranking. Doesn't get much more clear than that.

This current team EVEN WITH question marks everywhere is better than 28. It's better than the 26th ranking, OTWP (Jesus Christ that was ****ing stupid). It's a middle-of the road team. It's 8-8. The exact center. 16-20 ranking.

Note that's WITHOUT ignoring the huge hole at QB. If we had a halfway decent starter at the position, please tell me what the **** needs improvement on this roster.

What I still think our holes are besides QB:

An elite TE
Backup safety
NT (for which a future solution has been implemented- we'll just have to see if it works now)
An elite DE on the other side of Jackson (like Cullen Jenkins for the Super Bowl Packers)

That's it. That's ****ing it. You're telling me if we get an okay-good QB like Schaub that THOSE holes are going to be the things holding us back from being a team that can win playoff games?

Get real.

BigMeatballDave 05-01-2012 12:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 8584561)
The 28th best team in the NFL starts the Chiefs roster from 2009. That had Matt Cassel as its starting QB, and ****ing rape and shit and cum everywhere else except for CB.

This current team EVEN WITH question marks everywhere, is better than 28. It's better than the 26th ranking, OTWP (Jesus Christ that was ****ing stupid). It's a middle-of the road team. It's 8-8. The exact center. 16-20 ranking.

Note that's WITHOUT ignoring the huge hole at QB. If we had a halfway decent starter at the position, please tell me what the **** needs improvement on this roster.

What I still think our holes are besides QB:

An elite TE
Backup safety
NT (for which a future solution has been implemented- we'll just have to see if it works now)
An elite DE on the other side of Jackson (like Cullen Jenkins for the Super Bowl Packers)

That's it. That's ****ing it. You're telling me if we get an okay-good QB like Schaub that THOSE holes are going to be the things holding us back from being a team that can win playoff games?

Get real.

YOU STUPID TRUE FAN HOMER!

Rasputin 05-01-2012 01:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 8583787)
Oh snap.

The sound of Peyton Mannings neck this season.

Hammock Parties 05-01-2012 03:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 8584561)
The 28th best team in the NFL would be comparable to the Chiefs roster from 2009. That had Matt Cassel as its starting QB, and ****ing rape and shit and cum everywhere else except for CB. It was 5th in draft order, meaning it was the 5th worst, giving it the 28th ranking. Doesn't get much more clear than that.

This current team EVEN WITH question marks everywhere is better than 28. It's better than the 26th ranking, OTWP (Jesus Christ that was ****ing stupid). It's a middle-of the road team. It's 8-8. The exact center. 16-20 ranking.

Note that's WITHOUT ignoring the huge hole at QB. If we had a halfway decent starter at the position, please tell me what the **** needs improvement on this roster.

What I still think our holes are besides QB:

An elite TE
Backup safety
NT (for which a future solution has been implemented- we'll just have to see if it works now)
An elite DE on the other side of Jackson (like Cullen Jenkins for the Super Bowl Packers)

That's it. That's ****ing it. You're telling me if we get an okay-good QB like Schaub that THOSE holes are going to be the things holding us back from being a team that can win playoff games?

Get real.

Agree with all this.

Unfortunately when you have a shitty HC and a shitty QB, you get your pussies and your dicks all covered with SHEEEEEEEEEEIIIIIT!

Because Scott Pioli is an asshole.

jspchief 05-01-2012 04:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8583469)
What does that have to do with anything?

They finished 7-9 last year, playing a FIRST PLACE schedule.

The chances of them getting worse, even with Cassel, are very small.

Last place schedule. First place schedule.

You realize that only determines 2 of our 13 opponents? 2 games, out of the 16 we play are going to be determined by last year's record.

And it hardly guarantees those 2 teams will be easy/hard. Playing the last place team in a tough division could be just as difficult as playing a first place team in a weak division.

This year we play the last place team from the AFC South and AFC East I believe. Playing a team like Buffalo is not the same as playing Cleveland.

The whole X place schedule discussion is largely worthless.

HemiEd 05-01-2012 06:19 AM

The key is getting to play the NFC West, which unfortunately, only happens every four years.

ChiefRocka 05-01-2012 06:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Psyko Tek (Post 8584268)
will be amazed and confused, and loving every minute of it
and very very surprised

If we are 6-0 it will not be because of Cassel's positive production, it will be because of his minimal negative production.

8TDs 2INTs

Micjones 05-01-2012 06:45 AM

The 28th-ranked team in the NFL last season (AND the year before that)? The Cleveland Browns.
They were 4-12. That's about how bad we'd have to be.
Incidentally...That's one of teams Silver is counting ahead of the Chiefs.
And they...have Colt McCoy at QB.

Can't make this stuff up folks.

htismaqe 05-01-2012 07:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 8583494)
Last years schedule wasn't hard. We lost 5 games to non-playoff teams and beat 2 teams picking in the top 3. Great accomplishment.

I think you missed the point.

I'm not saying either year, 2010 or 2011, was a great accomplishment.

I'm saying that anybody expecting us to go WORSE than 7-9 this year are in for a surprise.

We'll likely win 9 or 10 - just enough for the front office to "justify" allowing Cassel to play out his contract.

htismaqe 05-01-2012 07:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Satanic Goat (Post 8583557)
Common denominator during those blowouts: terrible QB play, especially on third down.

That's why Kyle Orton is my sweet baboo. At least he can move those chains.

And then toss a pick in the red zone.

htismaqe 05-01-2012 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8584147)
In a way, I wish we were that bad.

Maybe then we would have a chance at a real quarterback next April and have hope to win it all in a couple years.

Reality is we have a better shot at being a playoff team next year than drafting in the top 5.

I'm just gonna try to enjoy the ride and trust that Cassel is on a short leash and that Stanzi will get a chance this year.

THIS.

htismaqe 05-01-2012 07:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 8584677)
Last place schedule. First place schedule.

You realize that only determines 2 of our 13 opponents? 2 games, out of the 16 we play are going to be determined by last year's record.

And it hardly guarantees those 2 teams will be easy/hard. Playing the last place team in a tough division could be just as difficult as playing a first place team in a weak division.

This year we play the last place team from the AFC South and AFC East I believe. Playing a team like Buffalo is not the same as playing Cleveland.

The whole X place schedule discussion is largely worthless.

Then suggesting we're worse than a 7-9 team is even MORE ridiculous.

Dayze 05-01-2012 07:57 AM

The fact that this defense is on it's way to being a really really good defense; and that we have a good stable of RBs....but a shit QB, reminds me of the line from Raising Arizona:


Eight hundred leaf tables and no
chairs?! You can't sell leaf tables
and no chairs! Chairs, you got a
dinette set! No chairs, you got dick!


Franchise QBs are Chairs.
Championships are sales
Chiefs are 800 chairless leaf tables.

FringeNC 05-01-2012 08:00 AM

Looking at the Sagarin ratings for the last two years which taken into account strength of schedule, margin of victory (defeat), and all that other stuff, it had us 24th in 2010 and 29th in 2011. It's pretty accurate in predicting the Vegas line, and overall a pretty solid ranking system.

You win in the NFL by having a decent defense, and the ability to move the ball through the air. We have a decent defense, but unless Daboll is able to get a hell of a lot more out of Cassel than Haley was, how are we going to consistently move the ball through the air?

With a good running attack, a good D, and only throwing occasionally, I can see us beating bad to average teams in close games, but we'll get blown out against teams again unless our passing attack improves.

Edit: Pioli essentially doubled down on Cassel, and is implicitly blaming Haley (and evidently our O-line) for our passing woes. If Cassel does not dramatically improve, Pioli shouldn't have a job next year.

htismaqe 05-01-2012 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FringeNC (Post 8584793)
Looking at the Sagarin ratings for the last two years which taken into account strength of schedule, margin of victory (defeat), and all that other stuff, it had us 24th in 2010 and 29th in 2011. It's pretty accurate in predicting the Vegas line, and overall a pretty solid ranking system.

You win in the NFL by having a decent defense, and the ability to move the ball through the air. We have a decent defense, but unless Daboll is able to get a hell of a lot more out of Cassel than Haley was, how are we going to consistently move the ball through the air?

With a good running attack, a good D, and only throwing occasionally, I can see us beating bad to average teams in close games, but we'll get blown out against teams again unless our passing attack improves.

Edit: Pioli essentially doubled down on Cassel, and is implicitly blaming Haley (and evidently our O-line) for our passing woes. If Cassel does not dramatically improve, Pioli shouldn't have a job next year.

Excellent post.

Chiefnj2 05-01-2012 08:16 AM

For years Pioli has talked about drafting the right players - team captains, high character players, etc.

Yet last year, there was an obvious difference when the players took the field for Romeo than they did in Haley's last few games. If you've been drafting high character players, shouldn't those guys give the same effort no matter who is coach?

As far as schedule is concerned WHEN you play someone is just as important as WHO you play.

Dave Lane 05-01-2012 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 8582869)
Actually playing backups QBs all but the last 3 games of the season.

Well lets see Orton was a backup in Denver, going to be a backup in Dallas. In Kansas City though we anointed him as the chosen one.

htismaqe 05-01-2012 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8584821)
For years Pioli has talked about drafting the right players - team captains, high character players, etc.

Yet last year, there was an obvious difference when the players took the field for Romeo than they did in Haley's last few games. If you've been drafting high character players, shouldn't those guys give the same effort no matter who is coach?

As far as schedule is concerned WHEN you play someone is just as important as WHO you play.

EXCELLENT point.

Fairplay 05-01-2012 08:38 AM

We are better then four other teams.

OnTheWarpath15 05-01-2012 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC (Post 8584793)
Looking at the Sagarin ratings for the last two years which taken into account strength of schedule, margin of victory (defeat), and all that other stuff, it had us 24th in 2010 and 29th in 2011. It's pretty accurate in predicting the Vegas line, and overall a pretty solid ranking system.

You win in the NFL by having a decent defense, and the ability to move the ball through the air. We have a decent defense, but unless Daboll is able to get a hell of a lot more out of Cassel than Haley was, how are we going to consistently move the ball through the air?

With a good running attack, a good D, and only throwing occasionally, I can see us beating bad to average teams in close games, but we'll get blown out against teams again unless our passing attack improves.

Edit: Pioli essentially doubled down on Cassel, and is implicitly blaming Haley (and evidently our O-line) for our passing woes. If Cassel does not dramatically improve, Pioli shouldn't have a job next year.


Excellent post.

You have a link to those Sagarin ratings for each year? I'd be really interested in checking it out - for the Chiefs and other teams.

OnTheWarpath15 05-01-2012 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8584821)
For years Pioli has talked about drafting the right players - team captains, high character players, etc.

Yet last year, there was an obvious difference when the players took the field for Romeo than they did in Haley's last few games. If you've been drafting high character players, shouldn't those guys give the same effort no matter who is coach?

As far as schedule is concerned WHEN you play someone is just as important as WHO you play.

Another excellent post.

ChiefRocka 05-01-2012 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Dayze (Post 8584789)
The fact that this defense is on it's way to being a really really good defense; and that we have a good stable of RBs....but a shit QB, reminds me of the line from Raising Arizona:


Eight hundred leaf tables and no
chairs?! You can't sell leaf tables
and no chairs! Chairs, you got a
dinette set! No chairs, you got dick!


Franchise QBs are Chairs.
Championships are sales
Chiefs are 800 chairless leaf tables.

"I don't know, they had Yodas and shit on them" -my fave

Pasta Little Brioni 05-01-2012 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8584821)
For years Pioli has talked about drafting the right players - team captains, high character players, etc.

Yet last year, there was an obvious difference when the players took the field for Romeo than they did in Haley's last few games. If you've been drafting high character players, shouldn't those guys give the same effort no matter who is coach?
As far as schedule is concerned WHEN you play someone is just as important as WHO you play.

You can't over look preperation when you go down that route.

The team's offseason approach was absolute garbage last year as well. Most unprepared Chiefs team to start a season I've ever seen.

Rausch 05-01-2012 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by PGM (Post 8585758)
You can't over look preperation when you go down that route.

The team's offseason approach was absolute garbage last year as well. Most unprepared Chiefs team to start a season I've ever seen.

This.

Plus Romeo only cared about the best players getting on the field.

Palko was demoted and Orton immediately put in.

htismaqe 05-01-2012 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by PGM (Post 8585758)
You can't over look preperation when you go down that route.

The team's offseason approach was absolute garbage last year as well. Most unprepared Chiefs team to start a season I've ever seen.

Preparation might cut it when looking at the first few games. Romeo took over THIRTEEN games in the season. "Preparation" had nothing to do with it.

Pasta Little Brioni 05-01-2012 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8585784)
Preparation might cut it when looking at the first few games. Romeo took over THIRTEEN games in the season. "Preparation" had nothing to do with it.

I don't agree at all. You don't think game planning has any difference at all in the outcome of games? Romeo even came out and said they were going to do things differently.

Rain Man 05-01-2012 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Fairplay (Post 8584861)
We are better then four other teams.

In the right circumstances, that's a division title right there.

htismaqe 05-01-2012 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by PGM (Post 8585790)
I don't agree at all. You don't think game planning has any difference at all in the outcome of games? Romeo even came out and said they were going to do things differently.

You specifically mentioned preparation and the START of the season. That's not "game planning".

And yes, game planning is important. Of course, the game plan changes dramatically when you don't have TYLER PALKO under center.


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