And then he stuck his hand up her skirt and said "do you know who I am?"

seems legit though, i mean he has been a member since 2010...

The whole applebees thing was just too much for bboss to take I guess

I prefer hooters.

I always yell at Applebee's waiters. I thought that was what you were supposed to do.

MY GOD DAMN FROZEN FOOD WASNT MICROWAVED / DEEP FRIED GOOD ENOUGH BY YOUR SPANISH SPEAKING "CHEF", WHORE

Twin Peaks > Hooters

Matt Cassell.

He was mean to a waitress. BAN HIM FROM THE NFL

His exact quote was "Come at me ho"

Matt Casell is everything that is wrong with this damn franchise and sooner his ass can be off the team we can move forward. Pioli's damn ****ing ego is screwing us over by trotting this turd out there.

Explain.

Who cares if he's a good guy?

I'll take a team of convicted felons if they win a Super Bowl.

But that's not the Patriot Way... Gotta have team captains and choir boys.

Then you might as well be watching Tetris.

Seriously, the idea that we should not have to even remotely like the people we're rooting for, that they could be convicted felons, and you'd still be thrilled if they won the Super Bowl...

That is just a baseless, useless idolization of sports for the sake of your own obsession.

If sports has become that impersonal for you, that soulless and pointless, nothing more than finding cogs for a machine whose gears you care nothing for, is a sign that this isn't a healthy approach to the sport.

I'm a big fan of yours, OTW, but you need to get your head straight.

And coming from me, that's saying something.

Why in the **** would you wrap that much money into a position and then expect the minimum from them. He ****ing sucks get the **** over it.

I believe with no Cassel we would have Bowe.



Matt Cassel is our Ryan Leaf.

Cassell is going to make about 5 million this season. That practically is the minimum.

That's because he's already ****ed us but just keep waiting for your kiss

You don't make a lot of sense.

Applebee's uses frozen shit?

Hell, I'll ESPECIALLY root for them if they're convicted felons. At least convicted felons have a sense of honor to the gang/team/boss/whatever you want to call it.

Matt Cassel has no honor. He acts like a complete jackass any time somebody sprinkles a little criticism on him. He won't ever fess up and say he ****ed up. He's never once done that shit. He's a terrible leader, so you may as well be playing with convicted felons.

Never go full reerun.

No, it's all freshly prepared by the greatest chef in the world.

You have yet to address the fact that Cassel is NOT a good teammate, and has never voluntarily shouldered the heat for the team's failures, even if they weren't his own.

Trent Green did that all the time. Hell, ****ing Tyler Thigpen and Tyler Palko did that in what limited starts they had.

Cassel's sacrifice to the team compared to previous QBs is somewhere along the lines of Elvis Grbac.

Applebees is the greatest goddamn restaurant in the world!

**** you Matt Cassell!

Oh for ****'s sake. It's a brand restaurant, but that doesn't mean they cook their food in a ****ing lab. It's actually prepared shit.

Don't make me defend Applebee's. Just use some common sense.

I'm the king of obvious trolls?

LMAO


You're a ****ing moron.

I knew you were too much of a loudmouth pussy to argue with people that actually have a clue.

You damn right I said that, you are obviously too ****ing stupid to recognize what you see on the football field.

I already knew that, but this just further confirms that.

I have always said that character matters.

But character without talent is useless.

I don't give a rat's ass if Cassel is the nicest mother****er to ever walk the planet, he's still a useless piece of shit on the field.

Bingo.

Link?
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I heard he apologized tried to give her a money shot but overthrew the target.

OP, I was trying to figure out who it is that you remind me of. Its Peter King. You've got some football knowledge, but then you kinda come off as a bumbling, well:

So what is your excuse?

I'm sure its been pointed out to you already but you managed to completely nullify your argument basically immediately.

I think you mean his ability to be consistently not very good at all. Unfortunately for you, that's the most important and really only part that matters. Nothing wrong with finding people that meet those other criteria, but you do not excuse them not having football talent because of it. Too bad Cassel didn't do us a favor and give up football to go work with charity. That way he can be an even better guy (imagine all the profundity that could be spewed about him by the likes of Peter King), and the Chiefs could have tried to find a QB that doesn't suck.

I'm not sure why this would surprise you. Fans don't get the opportunity to know the players in the way they did in previous generations. Players are pretty isolated in every sport now.
And they change teams so often and so quickly that it doesn't pay to get attached. I cheer for the Chiefs uniform. Rarely do I cheer for the player in the jersey anymore. The last jersey I purchased was a Tony G when he was a rookie. If I were to purchase one today it would be an Otis Taylor or a Willie Lanier.

I wasn't always this way, but the entire culture of the game/player has changed significantly over the years. Kinda weird I know, but true. For me at least.

You might as well just watch the Raiders then....:)

Except that they won't win a SB anytime soon either.

Worked for one good guy!

Cassel + felons = championship!

http://blog.cleveland.com/sports/200...-browns-02.jpg

Yep... I'd probably like him if he was the quarterback at Kansas. He couldn't win a starting job at a real football school, he tries real hard and he's a nice guy... can't expect much more when you're watching Kansas football.

This is the NFL though... a team in a quarterback league that has decent talent otherwise and hasn't won shit in almost 2 decades. And if last year didn't make it obvious enough, there's no telling when the window of opportunity will close for the most talented players on the team.

This isn't college or Team USA... they're professional athletes making more money than most of us will see in a lifetime, and it costs over $100 if you want to see them live for 3 hours. Trying hard is the absolutely minimun expectation. I wouldn't go as far as saying I'd enjoy watching a team of felons win a SB, but I'd certainly put up with some prima donnas over a bunch of nice guy who can't win a playoff game.

Your point is, you don't give two shits about character.

So you can retract that bingo any time you wish.

I don't care about character if it comes at the cost of talent.

You're never going to field a winner out of 53 Boy Scouts.

Some people precipitated the fall.

OTW would probably root for Michael Vick if he ended up in a Chiefs uniform and took us to the Super Bowl.

If all you care about is the score on the scoreboard when it comes to sports, then I have no idea what you're doing as a Chiefs fan. That's not a True Fan argument or anything, it's just a mystery to me, if all you care about is objective success, locate a team that plays to your interests. The Chiefs haven't won a Super Bowl in decades and don't build their team the way OTW prefers.

Find a team that does it the way you like them doing it. Stop immersing yourself in a fanbase you hate, under a GM you despise, rooting for players you know won't seal the deal.

If the bottom line is all you care about, things like character, integrity and loyalty to the team... mean nothing.

Now, it's important to note that I'm not actively encouraging OTW to root for another team. I want him to stay a Chiefs fan. I just want him to screw his head back on.

Find me somebody in this thread who is advocating that.

You're problem is you're going to extreme opposite side of the spectrum.

Yeah, not having any problems hating Matt Cassel.

Why wouldn't I?

Dude made a mistake, has done his time, and turned his life around.

I'd root for Ben Roethlisberger as well.


Did you root for Jared Allen? Larry Johnson?

I know the answer is yes, which makes you a ****ing hypocrite.

I was one of the only guys here advocating signing Vick.

Iirc otwp fought me tooth and nail on it.

Not because of the legal shit though
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My issue with signing Vick at the time was that he had been out of football for nearly three years, IIRC.

Now that he's paid his price and gotten his life on track, who wouldn't want him?

Who wouldn't want Roethlisberger?

And again, who here rooted for Allen and Johnson?

I still don't believe Vick has the necessary tools to lead his team to the SB.

I believe that he has paid the price for his mistakes off the field, and is working his ass off to further atone, so from that standpoint, I would have no issue with him as a Chief.

You better screw your head on straight.

You remember correctly. I argued that even if he had list a step he would be ok in that regards maybe even better.

He might not be so quick to run.
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Jared Allen is NOT any of those three guys. He made a shit mistake that's unfortunately too common that claims too many people. If I condemned everybody I knew engaged in that shit at some point I would have the world's longest shit list.

LJ and Big Ben were engaged in various forms of domestic violence, and Mike Vick... well let's not go there.

But you make a somewhat decent point -- did I not root for LJ when he burst through the Ravens defensive line for a 44 yard gain? Just like I do when I root for Matt Cassel when he nails Bowe on a slant?

Yes, yes I did.

But not all rooting is created equal.

Just like not all opposition to a particular player/team is equal.

There is a special satisfaction in me when we beat the Denver ****ing Broncos. And I'm also happy when we beat somebody like the Seahawks. But there is a very special sensation to seeing the Broncos go down.

But if that's the psychological rabbit hole we're going down, then we have to acknowledge that that feeling works both ways.

I'm happy when LJ rips off a big run, but it's a lot more satisfying when Dexter McCluster can pull it off because McCluster's a good ****ing person who has overcome a ton of limitations to pull that accomplishment off. There's an element of satisfaction to that that LJ can never match.

Your argument, from the start of this thread, has been that it doesn't matter one iota to you.

That's lowest common denominator bullshit, friend.

I like great character as much as the next guy, but it means shit if you can't lead by example. Matt Cassel can't do that because he doesn't have the tools to be a starting NFL QB. All the stuff he says about team means shit because he's holding them back. If he cared about the team he would have retired. That would show me some ****ing character.

Allen had 4 alcohol related offenses, 2 with the Chiefs. That's not just a "mistake".

Listen, it's your right to root like a 7 year old. "Look Daddy, the nice guy I got an autograph from made a play!"

It's also my right to root for anyone and everyone that performs at a high level for this organization, regardless of what they do in their personal lives.

If you get a warm-and-fuzzy over a "good guy" contributing, good for you.

I get a warm-and-fuzzy watching all ballplayers make great plays.

I never denied it was your right. Christ, what am I, the Bane of sportsmanship?

That was never my point.

Ok, Mr Holier-than-thou.

My point is that you are deeming my appreciation of Matt Cassel for what he is as inappropriate.

As only something children do.

As unappreciative of what it takes to succeed in the NFL.

As if a drafturbator could ever level that charge.

Who has ever said he's not a good guy?

By all appearance, he is.

He's just a shitty QB.

And you're using the phrase "succeed in the NFL" pretty ****ing loosely here.

I just did, Superfan.

Please, excuse me. I'm getting ready for a fantasy draft, and I need to make sure I scratch all the guys with off-the-field issues off my list so I don't upset your sensitive vagine.

Direckshun ****ing hates Matt Cassel.

He just has problems coming to terms with it. He feels bad about it.

He needs a 7-step drop program.

As in, watching a quarterback who can execute one.

A shitty QB is Brody Croyle and Tyler Palko. Cassel is a good backup and a mediocre starter.

I just hate how I've become this huge Cassel apologist because I personally like the guy and am not willing to call him the worst QB in the NFL.

When you start threads like this you deserve every ounce of shit you get.

And I know you don't like him when we get beat 31-3 and 17-10 at home.

All I ever think about when I think about Matt Cassel are those two games, and his games in 2010 at home against Buffalo and Baltimore.

4 home games, and he sucked huge chickens in each one.

That's who he is. And it makes me mad as hell. When you think of Matt, think of shit, and hate him.

My Cassel fandom will hit its peak when he is permanently benched or off the team. Whichever happens first.

I'll say it again..... for the 4th year in a row.... I would love for Matt Cassel to just turn a corner and be a 4000 yard passer, 104 passing rating with 35 touchdowns. I think he's a very upstanding, strong character guy and he's easy to root for. In fact, I do it every year. Go Matt!... please go. He seems to me like an eventual Sean Peyton (coach-wise) waiting to happen some day. But I hope that he either really turns it and becomes that guy or sucks it up totally so we can move on..... instead of this barely mediocre guy that the KC staff keeps waiting to become what they've invested for.

Leave now, and never come back, Matt!

I don't give a shit if he made her cry, but if the position of the OP is the awfulness of his shitty play is mitigated by how nice of a guy he is, then I think stories illustrating he isn't are relevant.


That said, I don't remember hearing about this incident. Could use a link.

I've been rooting for him from day one. I love his leadership, temperament, and off-the-field presence and contributions to the community. If he gets protection and some help from the rest of the offense, maybe he will mature and develp that elusive intangible that separates him from elite quarterbacks--pocket-presence and poise (yeah, yeah he lacks elite arm strength, but we can work around that.) I'll continue to root for him this year--but after that, enough is enough.

This team is young and building itself the right way, IMHO. If Cassel blows it this year, no matter the reason...I say, we move on. Given the lack of elite talent available to QB NFL teams, that won't be easy. So, yeah...hell yeah, "Let's go Matt!" Maybe you can be the second coming of Rich Gannon or better yet, Trent Green. A serious run at becoming one of them, would be a big deal at this point.

Coffee's for closers. Perform or get the **** out.

Who gives a **** what someone does off the field? This isn't the ****ing 1600's. Even guys like Babe Ruth ****ed chicks, cheated on their wives and drank their asses off.

If Babe Ruth were a football player on the Kansas City Chiefs in 2012, you'd be less satisfied with victories and Super Bowls?

WTF?

I'm good with the direction of the team but Matt Cassel has as much chance of becoming Trent Green as I do.

I just don't know, if you don't give two shits about the players, why even choose the Chiefs.

Again, I'm not telling OTW to stop rooting for the Chiefs. I'm genuinely puzzled.

If all you care about are wins and victories, the Chiefs clearly are not for you. They haven't won shit in decades, they have a GM guys like OTW can't stand, and are assembled in ways he disapproves of.

If all you care about are wins, find a team who builds itself the way you prefer.

So OTW, if talent is all that matters, why were you so pissed when we signed Hillis?

Gee, thanks. Such insight. But then, I should consider the source, right, Voyager?

:rolleyes:

Really hard not to like Matt Cassel.
 

No, it's really not

Forrest Gump is on LifeTime.


Anyone watching? Better tuck that lip in get it caught on a trip wire. Lol

I don't know who Voyager is.

But I'll assume he was some random asshat you've cleverly decided to compare me to.

This is the kind of nuanced, witty banter we've missed in your absence.

May it flourish anew, indefinitely.

Says the dumbass who pulls the "Then why are you a fan?" card.

People like you make it tough to be a fan, that's for sure. Although 10 ****ING MILLION mock drafts, that hit on NO ONE, sure are helpful. Thanks.

Now I know what Taco John felt like that one time in the DC forum. Direckshun's running away.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_X5eBLJmMeF...00/runaway.jpg

Prove me wrong, Direckshun. I'm saying you're 100% wrong about Cassel being a good role model for this team. I think he lacks leadership and BALLS. He has none. He's a gutless pussy. I've given plenty of evidence. Let's hear yours besides "He runs out and blocks for his RBs!"

Imagine if chiefscafan posted a mock draft every day from March until draft day.

That's voyager.

Then imagine if voyager recapped all the drafts one year later with 20/20 hindsight. As in, "We should have drafted Rocky Bernard instead of trading up to grab Ryan Sims"

Again, the Rorsharch tests in your despondency have been sorely missed.

Some people see a face, I see two people dancing.

See I'm the kind of twisted asshole that enjoys that shit, though.

If we had the reputation system around back then, he would have been in the red all the time. No question. But what REALLY made him leave forever was when he announced he was going to root for the Raiders in the 2002 Super Bowl because they represented the AFC West.

Boooooy people were pissed. They burned that bitch with fire. Hardcore. And then he left because his vagina got burned. Which... I guess that's what happens when you ****ing set it on fire.