We had the 11th ranked defense last year.

This defense will start to find their groove and start knocking folks out soon enough.

Allen Bailey actually generated a decent push on passing downs and also made a nice stop playing the 5-tech in our 3-4 with the 3rd st I believe.

wax on, wax off daniel son

Additionally, I haven't re-watched the game yet, but it seemed to me that we played a lot less press coverage and more off-man. Pretty vanilla stuff that allowed Bradford to get easy crossing routes completed.

that's because we have to play turds like Jacques Reeves and Jalil Brown.

I wouldn't worry about that in the preseason. INTs are sexy stats for a CB. He'll go all out to make those types of plays when it counts.

Does the box score show what we can all clearly see which is his velocity is visibly improved and his accuracy seems improved as well? Does it have a stat for how much more comfortable he appears to be without three guys yelling in his ear before every play? Does it show that he seems more confident with where he is choosing to throw the ball, check down or not?

there is much truth in this post.

Like it or not.

Now, sand the floor.

[QUOTE=BossChief;8831902]Positives:

Baldwin...another of "my guys" that underachieved tonight...although I think a large part of that is because he is a guy you just need to throw a few passes a game to him and let him go get it and these guys arent doing that for the kid....they need to show some confidence in him by making it a point to do that.

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This. Some guys just need the feel of being part of the offense. When they don't get fed the ball makes it harder for them to consentrate when they do get the ball. I'm not saying this is the case tonight, no excuse for Baldwin to fumble it, but got to go back to him just to help with his confedence & be abel to redeem himself. Got to feed the playmakers the ball. Dwayne Bowe is the same way got to keep them from feeling left out there on an island by themselves. That is the life of a WR. That also what you want is a guy who can progress during the game and get it rolling. I think that is on the QB to help guys build that confidence in them. Should have gone right back too him for that opportunity.

Shit for brains?

LMAO

You are abolutely clueless about the game of football and prove with each subsequent post.

Good job.

Then leave.

But I'm sure you're both right: Jon Baldwin deserves three full years to prove that he belongs in the NFL.

Ditto for you bud. You don't know any more shit than the rest of us but you like to talk a big game.

By mid season, he will be the talk of the town.

LMAO

Really. That is ****ing rich.

:popcorn:

(this will not end well)

Who, Baldwin? Let's hope so. He hasn't shown dick yet.

This is awful logic when the team is built the way it is. You cant have guys like Baldwin get upset when they dont "get theirs." We dont have Aaron Rodgers that can distribute it to 4 or 5 WRs at any given time. That is why the pick is basically not what fits the current team. You need players like Breaston that can compliment Bowe. Not guys like Baldwin and McCluster that expect to get their touches over better talent like Charles, Hillis, etc in the run game.

Well for some reason he decides to pick on me tonight. He will call me names and and say how stupid I am. Then on another night he will be lurking for his next victim just waiting to pounce it's what he does. Like I said he is a big tough internet bully.



Dane McCloud

I dont think he is ready to go against the leagues #1 corners quite yet, but that he can beat #2 corners enough to be productive.

Once Bowe gets back into the lineup and other teams dont look at Baldwin as a focal point, he will be able to get some man up looks on guys that are 5-6 inches shorter than him, arent as fast and arent even close to as athletic.

Ill keep saying this...if Baldwin didnt break his hand in a locker room fight with Jones (who has had that problem almost everywhere he has played) he would have probably takenn our offense to another level last year and I think the same holds true this year for the kid.

If Cassel can continue to develop and improve...the skill position players on this team can begin to flourish at some point THIS YEAR.

Is it just me, or does it seem plausible that "the game has slowed down" for Matt Cassel?

We'll see. So far, he hasn't given me any reason to believe he's as good as Breaston, let alone be a #1.

Tonight's game was basically a team that came in way over confident against a team that had a major chip on its shoulder from last week's blowout. Chiefs thought they would walk in to St. Louis and roll the Rams like they did Arizona last week. Rams came out and knocked us in the mouth right off the bat and they didn't react until the second quarter. Starters started to get in the flow and by halftime they were playing pretty well. Regular season we probably turn it on in the second half and cruise to victory. Cassel played well for just dinking it down the field most of the night. I swear he is like somebody who has sports cars in the garage but drives around on the bicycle in the yard because its safer. Oh well, its nice to see him play well now for the idiots like Pioli and Pawnmower to yap it up now until we meet a legit playoff team and he shits himself. Life of a Chief fan. Stanzi played tonight like Cassel did against the Ravens. Holy shit, he ****ed himself. Oh well, 5th round picks don't win Super Bowls so no biggie in the scheme of things. Rams played like they wanted it more tonight, thats pretty much the bottom line tonight. Atlanta game can't come soon enough.

Dane provides a valuable service/presence to this community.

You may not always agree with him, but he isn't some dumbass loudmouth.

Dude knows more about this team than most here and isnt afraid to voice his opinion as loud as he wants.

FYI if you keep it cival with him and ask for his reasoning on his opinions, he will usually offer them up and more times than not, they might just change your own opinion.

But, if you chose to go down the road of "poking the bear with a stick" dont be shocked when you get a bear claw across the mouth...and one that doesnt have apple filling.

I don't think we'll know where Cassel is until five or six games ino the regular season. The early returns look promising but that could change quickly.

WTF has happened to Breaston this offseason?

Dude fell the **** off.

DMC is above him on the depth chart.

What gives?

Cassel is a worthless piece of shit.

Cassell DJ/tamba and charles were the only players we had

Who knows? My gut tells me that Daboll is so confident in his ability that he's "testing" McCluster in an attempt to find a role for him in this offense.

But that is pure speculation on my part.

He may be a worthless piece of shit, but unfortunately he is the best piece of shit we have for 2012.

Maybe Daboll is to Cassel as Harbaugh is to Alex Smith.

I dont think its out of the realm of possibility to think this team can have a similar type of year as last years 49ers had if thats the case.

Then I would say that falls on the QB for not being good like Aaron Rogers lol.

I'd say your right, but I like to watch guys get "theirs" just to prove that they can be productive when they get it. If not then they are worthless to the team other than the big body for blocking is a big plus for Baldwin.

Any one notice McCluster trying to throw a block on a LB when we were down at the goal line? It was good effort, it was kind of funny, not a great block but he seemed to make the guy turn away from the ball carrier.

One thing is absolutely certain.

This team needs it veterans and young veterans to step up this year ACROSS THE BOARD and this game should have been a HUGE wake up call to show how much more work they need to do if they want to be able to step up and play with the big boys.

Breaston is fine, dude.

You know what the problem is.

Brilliant post.

This is why I am ****ing obsessed with nitpicking every mistake he makes.

Chiefs Nation needs to hear it so every time he ****s up, they have a mental library of what a shithead he is.

Bravo, sir. You are fighting the good fight.

I've seen Dane Mcclouds takes. Some I agree with some I don't, if he don't agree he lashes out that is his problem. I'm not going back down from him. However I'd much rather have a peaceful conversation with him as I'm not one going around picking fights talking Chiefs football amongst friends.

We are going to come to internet blows over this.

He hasn't done shit for a #36 and you know it.

So far he's king of the 5-yard dumpoff completion this preseason.

Exciting mother****ing player for sure.

He had 3 catches for 23 yards because he is a useless bastard who can't get open past 10 yards (unless the coverage is completely blown via play action like last week)

Honestly dude, go **** yourself until you wake up about DMC.

Look at the second round of the 2010 draft and show us the more productive players from that round.

It's hard to argue against him being in the top five from that round/class.

Are you ****ing trolling or something? LMAO

He's just going out there doing what he's ALWAYS done: dumping the ****ing ball off and letting other players be the playmakers.

I saw one ****ing throw tonight that was impressive, that sideline route to Boss.

The rest of the shit was horrid.

Couldn't even give Baldwin a chance to go get the ball on that deep throw before halftime. Not even a CHANCE.

He sucks and will be the death of this fraudulent regime, and I am so looking forward to it.

I've rehashed this several times already. He was a horrible pick. We could have had Rob Gronkowski, Nate Allen, TJ Ward, Koa Misi, Lamarr Houston, Toby Gerhart, Carlos Dunlap or Brandon Spikes.

All those guys are much better players than DMC at this point, and I'd still argue that Arellious Benn and Golden Tate will be far better wide receivers, since they can actually do stuff down the field.

Dex is a #4 WR who catches dumpoff passes. He's a ****ing worthless dreadlocked hobbit, and I don't give a shit about his bullshit stats from last season.

Make me a list of all of the players in NFL HISTORY that have gained 850 yards worth of offense in a year while being 165 pounds.

Now, dance.

I don't give a shit. He's not a ****ing RB.

He's a worthless midget WR who averaged 7 yards a catch last night. ROFL

Why do people rehash mistakes from yrs past?

Find something else to bitch about. You can't change it.

I swear this place will shut down if the Chiefs ever win a SB.

Wtf will everyone complain about?

My hatred for Cassel is well documented on here and the coalition (when I posted there) as I hated the idea of making a move for him since months before it was indeed done.

That doesn't mean I'm gonna ignore obvious signs of improvement in the guys game.

His arm is visably stronger
His accuracy is noticeably better
He still needs more improvement, but his poise is better than I can remember it. He seems to keep his eyes on the receivers more than in years past...but that doesn't mean he didn't stare at the rush a couple times.
Somewhere between 1/3 and 1/2 of his passes were intermediate throws that were on the money.

I don't expect the guy to become Aaron Rogers...but I do expect him to continue to improve because he is billed as a guy with a really good work ethic.

I was a fan of Haley and hate Cassel...doesn't mean I will ignore his improvement just to try and appear "right"

There very well could be truth to the reports that Haley just didn't "click" with Cassel and Daboll does.

For this team to have a chance at a real run, that MUST be true.

Like I said...hopefully, Daboll is to Cassel what Harbaugh was to Alex Smith.

If you're going to make an excuse for Baldwin use the dipshit in my avatar. He is also the reason people think Bowe isn't a top 5-6 WR in the league.

**** its an easy argument to make and actually has merit unlike him needing 3 yrs...

LMAO

The dude was the checkdown king. He made two throws down the field all night, dude.

And he overthrew a deep ball to Baldwin, giving him no chance to catch it.

It was classic Cassel.

What are you smoking?

What? You can't be serious, can you?

I'll obviously give you Gronk, which is a no brainer. But no ****ing way on Gerhart, Dunlap or Spikes. Misi had a fine rookie season but fell of big time last year.

No, they're NOT better to this point. Benn and Tate have both seriously underperformed and with better QB's, I might add.

You lose this round.

Ya know, if you rule out the first five minutes, it was an evenly-matched game. /homer

My man Baldwin getting shit for a fumble is laughable. Shit happens if he does it more than once THEN worry about it. Also him not getting targets is Matts fault. He was open and in single coverage, Matt has to get him the damn ball..

Not repeating

Clay, your two issues with the team cancel each other out:

1) Cassel can't throw a long ball
2) McCluster can't run well out of the backfield but has some speed.

SOLUTION: MCCluster the slot receiver to catch the check-downs.

Advantage: Pioli

No, he is a guy that has looked like our best receiver so far in 2012 and last year as a rb he averaged 4.5 yards per carry.

If I were you, I would look at what Daboll did with Reggie Bush and how DMC has improved under him (so far) and temper my hate for this player before he puts clown shoes on you.

Remember all the points I made last year about DMC with Orton as the qb?

If Cassel keeps throwing the ball on intermediate routes like he has been, thats gonna open up the area DMC and the TEs work in.

I am really anxious to see what Baldwin can do once the ball's in his hands. I'll most certainly give him a pass tonight but I'd like to see him make that catch in the future.

Short bullshit below:

Good throws:

Back to the bullshit:

OK, I was wrong. He made 3 throws that weren't short-ass bullshit garden variety crap.

DUDE IS SO ****ING AWESOME!

Wake up.

Yeah, let's pull Steve Breaston, a 1,000-yard wide receiver, off the field, in favor of a guy who is useless past 10 yards.

LMAO

What was his yards per attempt?

Which of those throws were for negative yardage?

Look, I'm not giving the guy a "pass" but he has looked sharper this preseason than in the past. It's proven that Haley couldn't game plan or call plays for dick and since we're stuck with Cassel this year, let's see how he performs with Daboll before blaming him for being alive.

Toby Gerhart is an excellent complementary RB.

Carlos Dunlap has 14 sacks in two years and is a starter on a nasty defense.

Brandon Spikes is also a starting ILB.

Most of those players I listed are solid starters.

Dexter is a #4 WR, and ****ing fail in comparison.

The Dexter pick continues to get worse and worse. #36 for a guy who catches dumpoffs and does nothing with them. LMAO

If this were the regular season, you might have a point. But since Steve Breaston is, by far, the most accomplished receiver on the roster at this point, giving other receivers a look isn't a bad idea.

Get a grip, Dude. While I think it matters to a degree, it's still preseason and the Chiefs do have a new OC.

What was his TD-to-INT ratio?

/Casselhomers

His OL sucks, though.

/Casselhomers

I blame Haley

/Casselhomers.

Dude is the checkdown king.

Clay is only 250 Lbs and a gallon of spray tan away from being Jwhit.

I disagree entirely.

He's just doing the same thing he did in the last preseason game last year: execute his con artist scheme to perfection.

So, you'd rather the Chiefs spend the #36 overall on Gerhart instead of getting Hillis on the cheap in FA?

And Houston was a better bargain with just as much upside.

With the same pass coverage ability as Belcher.


They aren't a better fit for the Chiefs. To say that McCluster hasn't been solid, especially when he's had 3 TD's from receiving and rushing and more than 1,000 yards combined, is ludicrous.

Lol I was just wondering...

What's ludicrous is defending McCluster at all.

He's a shitty #4 WR.

Yeah, that's better than an actual playmaker like Toby Gerhart...or a pretty nice pass rusher like Carlos Dunlap...or a beast TE like Gronkowski.

To say those players are worse than a guy who averaged 7 yards a catch tonight is hilarious. To bring up his pathetic rushing stats in defense of him is even more hilarious.

The McCluster pick just gets worse and worse. And yet people on this board think he's our best receiver. WHAT?

He'll probably get 10 snaps a game when Bowe is back.

TOTALLY WORTH THAT PICK NOW, HUH?

1) 6 passes that went for more than 10 yards in a half a game is improvement from Matt. I'll take that as an average from him for the year, if that's the case.

2) McCluster had more yards than Breaston last year. Also, I think it's funnyyou throw out that Dexter had 850 yards last year, but use Breastons 1 season he had 1006 yards as some arguing point. Dexters 850 are MORE yards than ANY YEAR Breaston had with exception of that one 1006 yard season.

So far, Daboll has Dexter above Breaston and before you try to claim it's because of some "Pioli is trying to save face for a bad pick herp"...realize that Pioli gave Breaston a mid level free agent deal with about 10 million in guarantees. Awfully silly to think he wouldnt want that guy to play because he is forcing Daboll to move DMC up the depth chart.

Please shut the **** up about "The Dexter Pick" and #36.

Its been 2 yrs. Get the **** over that.

If you dislike the player, fine. Argue that point.

You're a ****ing dumbass.

You're going to tell me that he wasn't a better selection than 27 other picks in Round Two of the 2010 draft? Seriously?

What?

He didn't throw the ball past 10 yards.

The players who caught his shitty short throw did all the work.

Wake up.

Yeah, OK. **** you. Dexter will get 10 snaps a game this year as the #4 WR. Watch.

So far, you're being incredibly ignorant. Steve Breaston started the ****ing game tonight. He's the #2. So, you're wrong.

I've already identified at least 5 players (closer to 10) who offer a lot more value.

It's not hard to offer more value than a #4 WR who lacks playmaking ability, let's be honest.

It's not hard at all.

Dex was a horrible pick that the highest paid GM in football ****ed up hard on.

What's ridiculous is that he's acting like McCluster is Junior Siavii or Kris Wilson or Eddie Freeman or Turk McBride or William Bartee.

He's EXACTLY like those players.

He's a shitty #4 WR who catches dumpoffs and little 5-yard outs.

He's nothing special whatsoever.

Tonight proved it.

Sure. But when u only get two targets and one is a shitty low percentage pass at the end of the half, i think its unfair to dog him. Hell get his time to shine and i think hell take it. Its a pitty however that the best part of his gsme is being a deep threat and we have a qb who struggles to pass past 15 yards..

Bullshit.

How many games did Dunlap win on his own? How many games did Misi win on his own? How many games has Gerhart won on his own?

Without McCluster, this team would have been sitting home in the playoffs his rookie season. Add that to his contributions at any position he's been asked to play, and I'd say he's been a pretty integral part of the Chiefs the past two seasons. And I expect that role to grow this year.

Chill with the histrionics, Dude.

Try 1.5 yards...you give Cassel too much credit.

You expect his role to grow?

As the #4 WR?

In a run-first offense?

Dane, come on man.

You know how many catches the #4 WR is worth in a Matt Cassel/Brian Daboll offense?

About 15, maybe 20.

Go look it up. Look up the history of #4 wide receivers in Matt Cassel offenses.

THEY DON'T DO SHIT.

And since Dex is a worthless receiver who has zero ability past 10 yards (unless he's open by 10 yards, which isn't going to happen often), he'll do less than shit.

Youre trying way too hard to put McCluster down. He like Baldwin can only take the chances given to him. Hes done that. Good for him.

Yes it was a shitty pick. Probs time to get over it.

I'll get over it when people stop defending the pick.

The dude isn't close to our best receiver. LMAO

This is an instance of Clay trying to grow as a poster by trying to stick to his guns and not flip flop and to a degree, I can respect that.

The thing is....Dexter is looking like a guy that will play A LOT more than he thinks and being he is quickly earning the trust of Cassel, will also get his share of passes thrown in his direction.

Like I've said a few times before, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see DMC gain MORE yards this year with LESS touches.

The guy is very quick in and out of his cuts and now runs routes that are very detail oriented.

It's gonna be hard for linebackers to cover him one on one when we shift and motion him around to FORCE teams into those situations.

:thumb:

He's only a shitty pick if you compare him to Gronk. Any of other positions that Clay listed weren't positions of need.

Misi wasn't going to replace Belcher. Dunlap is a 4-3 guy. Benn is garbage. So on and so forth.

Jc and hillis are good. Line, not horrible. Watched the game live and Baldwin was wide open down the field multiple times. Cashole didn't even try once. I am saying helen Keller would have better vision. I just decided to get completely off the casshole bandwagon. Not that I had more than a foot before....

Quinn has the best arm. That may be all I need to get on his bandwagon. But I'd like to see him with the starters.

Stanzi isn't ready to be a starter. Sorry. I saw glimpses of damon huard fetal flaws.

The announcer at the dome sounded like norm mcdonald.

Poe has a long way to go.

Flowers, I hope your just being precautious. Or heal fast.

Boss over moeaki. Heard it here first.

Can we ever learn to cover a ****ing tight end? Ever?

Fisher had the rams better prepared than RC had the chiefs prepared.

Deboll gets too cute with playcalling when things start to go bad. Mixed feelings.

Dustin will punt his way to our MVP again.

Replacement refs blow.

Also, Dexter is solidifying his place on this team as the slot receiver with every catch...might as well stop calling him a #4 receiver at this point...until, you know, he actually is one.

Shit, there were more than a few plays tonight where he was lined up out wide.