Damn well better be.

Unless it was done earlier, like during training camp.

But then, we'd have heard something then.

I can't believe Pioli has not addressed the media.

Gutless turd.

I'm hoping the fact that he hasn't spoken publicly, coupled with the fact that Clark released that statement defending us, means he's on his way out.

I find that statement that they don't discuss contracts laughable. They had no problem telling us he was signed to a 5 year contract when they got him. Now if it is still in discussions, I get it. But if they already signed him to an extension....

^

Anybody even heard where Pioli has been recently? Clark prob told him to lay low until things settle down.

Heh. Us, settle down. LMAO

LMAO

i guess i can kinda see it. If they are going to fire him, better to do it early and get a head start on looking for guys and setting guys in place to scout for the draft.

I just know what Pioli is doing now is not g3etting better, its getting worse. Despite better talent, we are somehow playing worse.

Its just time to draft a qb, if it dont work, ****ing draft another one, if that dont work, draft another one. Shit will hit eventually

There's no ****ing way. You don't extend a guy in year 4 of his 5 year deal AFTER the team starts 1-4.

Does Pioli attend the games? Like I'm sure he does, I've just never seen him ever

Yeah, he's there. Most games you'll see his pompous ass strutting aground the Chief's sideline before the game during warmups.

I just don't see CHunt firing this guy with a year and a half left on his contract. That's 7 or 8 million dollars he'd have to pay for nothing.

Without Pioli, he'd be paying $7 or $8 million for nothing.

With Pioli, he's paying $140 million for nothing.

ya, and with Pioli he could face a flurry of fan bullets and an empty stadium. The thing is, Pioli won't let up on his insistence Cassel play QB for the Chiefs.

Very rarely does an NFL GM fulfill a contract. He will either fire him or give him an extension.

$7M, to Clark, is insignificant in the grand scheme of things.

And boom goes the dynamite.

A year spend with Pioli is a year wasted.

That's a lot of $$$.

Exactly. If he believes he has to go, I dont think he'd let the panalty get in the way.

Completely reeruned rumor. The GM isn't getting fired in the middle of the season.

Win for Pioli or lose for Geno Smith? Easy one there.

:rolleyes:

It's stupid to think that in the middle of the season, the GM has any control over wins and losses. He'll be here till season's end folks. nothing to see here.

And hopefully not any longer

that sounds pretty stupid.

Things don't happen that way.

If he is to be fired, it will come season end

Do it Clark!!!!!!

Clark growing some balls?

This rumor sounds absurd. What is not absurd, though is the notion of firing Pioli mid-season. There are valid reasons to do it right away if the plans are to do it anyway.

1. Send a message to the fan base that change is coming swiftly.
2. If reports of Pioli being a meddling cancer are true, then it removes the cancer.
3. Maximize time allowed to find a new GM.
4. If it's possible to hire new GM prior to season end, it would allow them more time to evaluate coaches and get scouting org together.

If the plan is to fire Pioli anyway I can't think of any reason to NOT do it right away.

I cannot possibly agree more.

I dont think it makes sense to ever fire a GM mid season except for this fact with this case our GM is actually our ****ing head coach behind the curtain.

Firing this idiot GM would mean
1. Coaching staff gets to make gameday rosters (IMAGINE THAT)
2. Coaching staff wont be afraid to make proper substitutions when they see fit. (Pioli clearly forces them to play/keep certain guys on the field)
3. Coaches wont get overruled by play calling (This idiot GM definitely demands certain plays to be run and that's obvious by the first drive being scripted every game)

If he's not here, the coaching staff can actually ****ing... coach without the guy upstairs pretending hes playing Deal or No Deal calling down to Howie ****ing Mandell

god I hate Pioli

A sane thought.

The fact that next week is a BYE makes it a little more believeable and extra time to find a new GM.

Again, this is in the top 3 of worst rumors of CP All time and people are still lapping it up. Cmon guys.

I could go either way.

It's obvious a meltdown is underway in Kansas City due to the meglomania inspired incompetence from the GM's office. Candy wrapper gate, Haley, phone taps, the whispers by employees of intimidation, rumors of despotic control (the recent lineup thing), the recent deluge of negative articles by current and former KC jounalists, etc.

Pioli is rapidly losing the team and any respect and clout he might have had with Clark Hunt when he was hired.

There is obviously a revolution brewing. Someone is going to end up on the guillotine. It's just a question of when and whose heads are going to roll. If I'm Clark Hunt, I would nip this sucker in the bud as fast as possible to quickly halt the rapidly developing discontent in the fan base. An interm GM wouldn't be held responsible for anything negative that happens for the rest of the season and it would build the expectations in the fan base for the future of the team as most would perceive a longer, more thought out GM selection as a positive versus a quick replacement fix if Pioli & his synchophants were fired at the end of the season.

Pioli will not only be here at the end of the year he'll be here next year.

Doubtful.

Rich, powerful men like Clark Hunt don't accept failure from highly-paid employees, especially when they make the organization look bad from a PR standpoint.

That's only true if the OP is an out-and-out lie. A radio station broadcasting that they have a trusted source feeding them this info actually qualifies as better than a rumor. That being said I still think it's wrong.

I actually hope it's wrong. Not only because I think we'll win, but because it seems like an arbitrary way to make the decision. They can win by 40 or lose by 40 on Sunday, the decision should be the same.

THIS...

I really don't see why it would depend on a win against Tampa Bay, but I don't agree with the thought that a GM shouldn't be fired before the end of the season.

This is my thought as well. You wait until after the season and you give up a lot of time that is vitally important to the GM being able to do his job. If you're going to do it, then you do it ASAP. First it tells the fans that they get it and they are doing something about it. Second, it gives time to do a good search and find the guy you want (not sure how many people remember Clark really did not want Pioli because of the total control stuff which is a major part of why the fans have finally turned on them and the team being a laughinstock around the league). And then it gives the new GM time to assess things and get his staff in order or get on working terms with the people he'll keep around.

It could also mean a better chance at getting a big name coach. A lot of them want a lot of say in the personnel decisions, which I don't think you give them GM power but you see if maybe you can find guys that would be a good fit and not Haley/Pioli part 2.

Then there's evaluating assistant coaches and lower personnel. Plus there's some big player decisions (Bowe, Albert, Dorsey, and Tyson Jackson off the top of my head).

And of course the draft. Having time to get things in place and properly evaluate everyone can mean the difference between going and getting the guy you want and just settling for the guy that is there when you pick. Since QB should be the focus, I think that's especially important this year.

But...what if it's true?

On the surface it's beyond laughable considering how our ownership works.

Will never happen, but it's smart.

The hate that will come after we lose and it doesn't happen will make the fans even more pissed off after the false hope...

Only if people really believe this rumor has a snowballs chance in Florida of being true. People aren't this stupid.

I would say 'no way', but I'm pretty sure Carl Peterson was sent packing mid-season wasn't he?

No.

Yao Yo wha?

Like I said before, Pioli's future now rests on the arm of Brady Quinn. It is quite ironic considering Quinn was supposed to be fake competition to Cassel.

Yeah, the greater percentage of ticket holders are...

Let's get the gleam!
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We're not as dumb, nor as hateful as the national ESPN crowd would like some to believe.

Not as hateful...

Not even close.

Clark announced it in mid-December.

They announced Carl would step down at the end of the year with a few games to go.

If you believe that I have two words for you...Matt Cassel.

Pioli is mentally ill. He may very likely go down with the ship, probably not until the end of the year, but had he made a change in QB - simply cut Cassel, signed Orton, and drafted a QB last year, I don't think he'd be in any trouble at all. It simply makes no sense. Numerous people who respects had to tell him that Cassel didn't have it, even if he is too stupid to figure it out himself.

This is pretty much how I see it. I don't think what happens in Tampa is going to matter much, however. If Clark has made his decision, this is probably the best time to do it. If he hasn't, then look for a late season announcement.
There's a lot of heat on Clark to get Pioli out of there and if he's made the decision to send SP down the road, it'd buy him a lot of goodwill among the fans. The scouts are all under contract and it would be in their best interests to do their job, regardless of who the GM is or isn't. They're not the ones drafting, the GM types are the ones that pull that trigger.

Cut Cassel and it would result in an 8.00 million hit against the cap. You're better off benching Cassel and honestly, there were no QB's in the draft besides Luck and Griffin that were really noteworthy. Sure, Tannehill, the converted wide receiver to qb golden boy or kirk cousins..i'll pass. This team needs a real franchise qb with all the intangibles. Pioli was just on a power trip and thought he could turn Cassel into another brady, the problem is you need Mcdaniels or charlie weis or bill o'brien to do that.

I almost asked Marty to sign my book with that . :)

What other GM is out there? Seriously, someone tell me. I know Pioli has done wrong but I wouldn't change him just yet.

What is Marty's book? I want it.

Why does the new candidate have to be a GM? There are dozens of very experienced personnel guys all over the league dying for a shot to run a team. This is the same logic that says you can only hire a coach with head coaching experience, as opposed to an assistant coach.

Martyball, no seriously, that's the name of it.

There's nothing wrong with getting Cassel. The arrogance is more in the decision not to surround the team with options. If Pioli swung and missed a few times, I'd be okay with that. He didn't. And so, we don't had a guy like Andy Dalton. We were told that Cassel would have QB competition, and yet Pioli didn't even take a sniff at Brock Osweiler, Russell Wilson, or Nick Foles.

Power trips don't last 4 years. You can justify going one year without trying to find options. 4 years is just embarrassing.

4 years tho? people really don't count that 10-6 season? You are right though, I remember back in 08-09 when Pioli got signed..I felt like this team was going to be a playoff team because of what Pioli did with Belichick in NE. So far, it looks like its gotten worse then better. I know I wasn't posting here in the off season, but boy was I wrong..I had the chiefs winning the afc west and going deep in the playoffs, I felt like our D was too stacked and that our offense would unleash. I've never been more wrong in my life. I must have been a prisoner of the moment after the packers and broncs game. I also used chiefs way too much in madden and was handing out spankings left and right, on paper this team looks good, we just can't execute. Pioli's to blame for that but I put more blame on Pioli for making Crennel the head coach then anything.

In Carl's first 4 years he drafted 3 HOF players.

In Pioli's first four years he hasn't drafted 2 pro-bowl players.

Keep in mind that Carl was fired for a reason...

The guy. Is personnel man of ravens Eric decosta you want a young hungry gm ready for the job it's him. Yes there is the fear that ozzie new some is the only reason ravens have success. But decosta has been in charge of the drafts. Would he bold enough to get the franchise qb he did it with flaco. This is guy much like the falcons gm was out of new England hungry and ready. He was our second choice next to pioli let's correct our original mistake.


Fire pioli and hire decosta during the bye like I said Clark already interviewed the guy. Let him evaluate this team rest of the season who to keep and who to get rid of. Let him have time to get a list of potential front office and coaches together. That time when the draft comes we hit the ground running. I disagree with the ones here who don't want a rookie qb. The situation a rookie would be walking into would be ideal. A young emerging team hungry for a leader. Though our d isn't as great as the steelers it would be similar to big ben's rookie year.

This is just my two cents

Derrick Thomas, Will Shields,....and who's the 3rd? You have Tony Gonzalez but that wasn't until 1997

Again, I stand corrected.

Only 2 HOF players in his first 4 years.

And then 2 probowl (Okoye, Kneel Smith) players...

Eric DeCosta has been a part of the Ravens organization since the beginning. A graduate of the Ravens’ “20/20 Club” (includes members of the team’s personnel staff who started with the Ravens as young assistants and grew into evaluators with more input), DeCosta joined the franchise in an entry-level position in 1996. He moved up the personnel ranks, first as an area scout, then as director of college scouting (six years) and director of player personnel (three years) before his most recent promotion to assistant general manager (2012). DeCosta assists GM Ozzie Newsome in overseeing both the college scouting and pro personnel departments. The Taunton, MA, native was honored in 2005 by The Sporting News as one of the top young stars in sports and was selected to both the 2008 Baltimore Business Journal and Baltimore Magazine “40 under 40” group. He also served on the eight-member committee to interview and select Ravens head coach John Harbaugh in 2008.
During DeCosta’s tenure as scouting director, the Ravens drafted Pro Bowlers LB Terrell Suggs (’03), DT Haloti Ngata (’06), G Ben Grubbs (’07), FB Le’Ron McClain (’07), G Marshal Yanda (‘07) and RB Ray Rice (‘08) and a number of other key contributors, including OLB Jarret Johnson (’03), C Jason Brown (’05), T Jared Gaither (’07 Supplemental Draft) and QB Joe Flacco (’08).

Good question.

Plus, Shields was drafted in 93, which would have been Carl's 5th draft.

Carl did draft 3 HoF players in 9 drafts.

Not too bad, I Suppose.

Pioli has tempered my hate for him.

Pioli makes him look exemplary...

How can Scott win in Tampa when he doesn't play?
Sounds more like something you tell the coach or starting QB.

What about the extension rumor? Two exact opposites, which one are we to believe?

What part of the year did the Bears hire Phil Emery? I can't remember.

I call BS. The only one firing Scott is Clark and its not like he is walking around blabbing it.

Like 2-3 months before the draft.

Clark should re-hire Kuharich. **** you, Scott!

No wonder Cassel was ruled out for the game...

Pioli is doing a job that most of us consider a dream job.

He's ****ing things up and getting $5m/yr.

I'd do it and be thrilled to make only $100k.

I thought Clark was a good businessman?

:)

Like I said fire pioli if he's the problem hire Eric decosta

I've heard more than that.

This is new information

No but time to revisit it Dane . Of candidates he might be the best