[QUOTE=Austin Ed;9201175]ask oklahoma's defense how he played...you can't throw for 4000 yards, 6 ints, at a 70% percent completion rate and have 'problems finding receivers'

i've never seen a guy get killed so bad for one truly bad game - kstate...

he carried the worst defense in college, regularly had to pass on 4th down, had to score 40 to even have a chance to win....and all people do is kill him for not winning a national championship

meanwhile we got people pimping life long choke artists like murray, or guys who have accomplished jack shit like bray...it's crazy

Say this is true, which it may very well be.


Why wait and take the 7th best QB in the draft, when you can pretty much assure yourself the top 1 or 2?

This post is BlackBob quality.

Sorter we could use some of your elite football knowledge in this thread.

Geno
Wilson
Barkley
Bray
Glennon


After that, you're getting into backup QB level players. I don't even like the last two that much

Not as fast as you think. 4.78 40.

Bray, Glennon, Manuel, Thomas are all guys who meet the eye test to a T when evaluating physicality you want in a QB.


It's just that all the other things don't really match up.

This is something I've noticed. He doesn't have elite speed.


But he absolutely has enough speed to do what he needs to do.

Of the guys who will be likely available?

1. Geno
2. Wilson
3. Nassib
4. Barkley
5. Dysert
6. Bray
7. Murray (if he declares)/Glennon

[QUOTE=the Talking Can;9201198]this

I haven't kept up with it exclusively, but someone explain to me what exactly will happen if we take Geno or Wilson at the top of the first round and he does in fact bust?


You can't bang the hot prom queen after prom, if you don't infact go to prom.

Nothing happens. Chances are, even if they bust hard, they're still going to be as productive and likely more so than the QB we've had.

I mean, I realize people want to get good fast.


Whats the quickest way to get good fast? Draft a QB or draft an ILB early.

since he didnt grow up with track speed he wouldnt naturally tuck the ball and start running. he grew up evading pressure planting his feet and throwing a dart down field. he has the ceiling to be aaron rodgers. please god make clark draft him

Drafting a LT after we resign Albert IMO. We still have time to move him to LG.

Here's 7 QBs. Is Geno Smith that much better than the rest of these guys to spend your #1 pick on him?

Geno Smith QB West Virginia Sr 6-3 220
Matt Barkley QB Southern California Sr 6-2 230
Tyler Wilson QB Arkansas rSr 6-2 218
Ryan Nassib QB Syracuse rSr 6-2 228
*Aaron Murray QB Georgia rJr 6-1 212
Mike Glennon QB North Carolina State rSr 6-5 232
*Tyler Bray QB Tennessee Jr 6-5 215

It's gonna be badass next year, when we are ripping shit up with Geno.


I've never been this excited for the Chiefs to lose 3 more games.

Have you watched Geno this year?

You conveniently omitted all of the CONTEXT from the post I was responding to. :rolleyes:

yes, and it really isn't close

why do you keep including murray? he's such a choke artist that uga fans egged his house this year...

it's comical to compare the two

Yes.

It's because he's a moron.

So 15% of CPers are morans? I guess that shouldn't be surprising. Black hole Bob is so dense he counts as 5% himself.

LMAO

Since he's obviously copying and pasting a list from scouting website, I would say no.

Oh and the fact that he posted earlier that he hasn't.

209 316 66.1 2566 8.1 24 8 154.35


Say a QB had these numbers his last year in college. Would you guys draft him?

[QUOTE=the Talking Can;9201198]In addition to KSU and TTU, he was 32/54 with an Int against TCU, and 20/35 with two Ints against OU. No doubt he has an NFL arm and should be successful as a pro, but his stellar overall stats for the season are built on HUGE games against weaker opponents and good but not great games against some of the better teams he faced. There is a reason he dropped out of the Heisman picture after the TTU and KSU games.

Yes.

Even if he wasn't, why would that matter? He's the best QB on the list. We need a QB. The non-QB positions at the top of the draft are ****ing atrocious if you don't count the Left reerun LB position.

So draft him.

Boom.

Done.

[QUOTE=Austin Ed;9201278]And in the OU and TCU game, he put his team ahead late in the fourth quarter only to have his defense **** it up.


Oh and he had 7 Td's in those games.

The Heisman trophy is a great predictor of great pro QBs

Signed,
Tim Tebow, Troy Smith, Matt Leinart, Jason White, Eric Crouch, Chris Weinke, etc.

No way, but hey, time will tell.

Against the best pass defense he faced all year, Geno had a QBR of 160.

[QUOTE=Austin Ed;9201278]he wasn't putting up those numbers against only KU

both texas and baylor were ranked when played them, and OU had the 8th rated pass defense which he proceeded to rape in epic fashion (he played his ass off against lsu last year too, but it doesn't count either...humiliated Clemson but doesn't count..etc)

and since we're playing this game, did everyone else who played baylor, texas and OU put up the numbers smith did? since it so easy...

QBs in college have bad games, and lose games...i was unaware until this year that had only ever happened to geno smith...

and i mostly hear this line of argument from people who have never actually watched him play, so my one question for you is how many games of smith have you seen?

Smith was to defensive plays away from winning 9 games this year.


If he's sitting at 9-3 right now, this isnt' even a discussion.

a little?

I'm not saying that we shouldn't draft him. I'm just not sold on him. I have seen him play some. College stats are really not that important to me. I am thinking that we should consider our options. I just don't know if he is that much better a prospect than prospect number 7. I don't know if there is a dropoff.

Here are his college opponents.

Marshall
James Madison
Maryland
Baylor
@Texas
@Texas Tech
Kansas State
TCU
@Oklahoma State
Oklahoma
@Iowa State
Kansas

If we somehow win a couple games and Jacksonville gets the top pick, I'd fork over whatever it takes to move up to get Geno...but id be fine if we had to stay put (because they don't want to move off the spot) and end up with Wilson, too.

It makes me sick reading peoples thoughts on how they prefer to continue to roll the dice for a "bargain" instead of doing what it takes to go get a bluechip guy.

If we somehow pick a bust, we try again in a couple years like Jacksonville is gonna do.

WTF difference does it make in drafting him at #7 or #1, especially with the rookie cap?



You do know they changed that right? You don't just live under a rock?

In losses this year, Geno threw 11 TD's vs 5 INTs.

And in those losses, his defense gave up an average of 48 points.


So against the best teams/defenses he played this year, he had to score 50 points to win. And he got fairly close in 3 of the 5 games.

so you haven't actually watched him play

or any of the other QBs either, probably...

that's why you can't reference any actual plays in actual games, or mention any actual specifics about his mechanics, his offense, his defense, his coaching, basically anything...much less his mechanics compared to any other specific QB

but you can copy and paste his schedule from the internet and pretend it means something...

[QUOTE=the Talking Can;9201298]He could be great. I don't know, but I don't think he is that much better a prospect to be chosen when we have a deep QB class. He hasn't played against that many big time opponents and puts up most of his stats against lesser teams. He had two ints against OU.

With the exception of Luck & RGIII being separated from # 3 at the top of last years being better before the draft, this year's class is probably deeper top to bottom, it's arguably closer 1 through 10 on a talent level.

[QUOTE=kcbubb;9201321]How many TD's did he throw?

jesus christ, you haven't even watched him play...or any of these QBs

you're just making shit up

and his performance against OU was jaw dropping...epic

but you didn't see it, so you don't know what the **** you're talking about

which seems to be a theme with people who don't want smith..../black reerun

Andrew Luck had 3 INTs once against USC.

So tell us. You didn't actually watch any of his games, did you?

I watch SEC football mostly. But I did see him play some. Of the QBs on the list, I have watched Wilson, Bray and Murray a lot. I think Wilson benefitted a lot from Petrino. Petrino made Brian Brohm look good. I wouldn't draft Wilson in the 1st for sure.

Even as a rookie, Geno would be the best qb we will have had since 2006 (season opener).

This fanbase would LOVE him.

Here's Geno's snaps against OU, whose pass D was I believe ranked in the top 10 at the time.

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SEASON CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT
2012 350 490 4004 71.4 8.17 87 40 6 17 164.6
2011 346 526 4385 65.8 8.34 84 31 7 26 152.6
2010 241 372 2763 64.8 7.43 71 24 7 28 144.7
2009 32 49 309 65.3 6.31 33 1 1 5 120.9


How ****ing perfect does Geno have to play to appease you people! christ!

I do know that this draft has depth at the QB position. I don't believe that their is elite level talent at the top. I don't necessarily think we should overdraft for need in a position group that has depth.

you keep saying some vague 'some'...but you really haven't watched him

and if you had watched his game against OU - which you didn't - you'd know it was incredible and you wouldn't be criticizing him for it

and saying you wouldn't draft wilson in the first, while also saying there is little difference between smith and murray is just...well...yeah..a train wreck of an opinion

The pass at 2:48 is http://chan.catiewayne.com/b/thumb/130850663434s.gif worthy

I can't wait to go to the season opener and be part of the massive standing ovation we are gonna give Geno Smith.

When talking about the most important position in all of sports, you absolutely overdraft for need, cause if you don't have one it doesn't matter.


So you take the best one available and roll with it.

Go fist your grandmother.

http://youtu.be/LZCPd5u6f3c?t=3m26s

http://i.imgur.com/CKuRy.gif

The throw at 1;05 is impressive.


And 3;29

I think that applies to every position except left tackle, quarterback and pass rushers.

These are positions where you are counting on elite level of play to dictate the game. So with respect to these positions, you should draft the person who you think will be or has the best chance to be THAT guy who can absolutely takeover a game.

I don't really care about the numbers Geno has put up, impressive as they are.


It's the upside that I like so much.


And the fact that he's a football junkie.

I've been watching a lot of tape on all the qbs coming out and I haven't been all that impressed. Maybe Barkley if I had to pick one but I think we should probably go defense. QB this year is just way too risky, especially with the first pick.

I agree completely.

I'm not sure there is value at CB under the 15th pick, is there ?

IMHO, not an exceptional year for CB's.

T-Dub going up against a pretty good defense too...

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/footbal...erence=I-A_all


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Geno Smith doesn't have real good mobility and can get confused by good defenses. His ceiling is basically Vince Young.

How do you account for the complete ****ing garbage at the other positions besides QB then? I wouldn't want to draft any of those pukes at #1 overall if I already had a franchise QB on my team.

Tyler Wilson is a backup.

I missed your trolling. It had been quite some time since you've tried getting everyone riled up.

I'm fine with Wilson or Smith Mr T.

Nice try.

I got the drink in me tonight

Someone with more time than me, go thru and put together Geno's stats against the top D's he played the last few years.

Ugh. I wish I did. :(

Lets not fool ourselves, I like Smith but he has got 2 top 10 WR's to throw to as well.

Not convinced by him. QB just isn't where it's at this year. Hey, it happens. Face it and get over it, let some other suckers draft a QB and we'll all laugh at them.

Well yea, but he also put up crazy numbers with them.

Agreed. Plus, not that it matters but the history of African American quarterbacks being drafted real high is not good.

And I don't really think either one of WVU's Wr's go in the top 10.

I know you're just trolling, but I was waiting for this to get thrown out there.

Can't really be ignored. If you're going to be against Barkley because he went to usc what's the difference? I'm not racist, I have lots of black friends and they agree with me about Geno.