Walter Football's Most recent write-up of Smith:

1/12/13: Smith started out 2012 on fire. He was a dominant force before getting shut down against Texas Tech and Kansas State. Smith played better in November even though West Virginia was in a losing streak.

Smith has completed 71 percent of his passes this season for 4,205 yards, 42 touchdowns and six interceptions. He had one of the most prolific games in college football history by completing 45-of-51 for 656 yards, eight touchdowns and zero interceptions against Baylor.

The senior signal-caller has an excellent skill set. He is showing his intelligence and field vision by working through his progressions and looking off safeties. Smith has some natural accuracy with good arm strength to make all the throws. He can fire some fastballs into tight windows with phenomenal ball placement to hit receivers in stride.

Smith's plus mobility allows him to pick up first downs with his feet and bail out his offensive line. He needs to work on sustaining drives as he struggled when Texas Tech and Kansas State took away the deep part of the field. Smith will need to improve his footwork for the NFL. He needs to become more uniform with good feet to get in rhythm.

Yeah, I wasn't coming down on you for that... I know you were just quoting someone else there.

Regardless, I don't know what games that guy was watching. You can see beautiful deep chocolate balls in almost every Geno game this season.
And you won't see many inaccurate incompletions, considering his completion % is so high.

If USC had Geno Smith....HOLY SHIT BATMAN

Barkley:

1/12/13: Barkley had a rough senior season that has caused his stock to decline. He never had an elite physical skill set, but the decision-making problems are the most worrisome. In Barkley's defense, his offensive line was horrible. He was under heat all season as USC really missed Matt Kalil.

Barkley completed 64 percent of his passes for 3,273 yards, 36 touchdowns and 15 interceptions in 2012. The senior didn't play well against Stanford or Washington, and was just average against California. He had underwhelming games versus UCLA and Arizona, too. Barkley injured his shoulder against the Bruins and was unable to play against Notre Dame or Georgia Tech.

8/16/12: Barkley proved himself to be a safe prospect during the 2011 season. He laid claim to the Trojans' starting quarterback position as a freshman and completed 59.9 percent of his passes for 2,735 yards and 15 touchdowns, but also threw 14 interceptions. In 12 games in 2010, the 6-foot-2, 220 pounder improved his production by completing 62.6 percent of his passes for 2,791 yards with 26 touchdowns and 12 interceptions.

Barkley had many prolific passing games as a junior in 2011, including throwing for six touchdown passes against UCLA and Colorado. He also led USC to a signature road win over Oregon. Barkley completed 69 percent of his passes for 3,528 yards with 39 touchdowns and only seven interceptions.

The senior's improved decision making is exactly the kind of progress NFL scouts will be pleased to see, plus he comes from a pro-style offense and has good intangibles. Barkley has mastered the West Coast offense and is well-prepared for the NFL.

"No to USC QBs. They are all garbage."

They haven't updated Wilson's yet:

8/16/12: Wilson completed 63 percent of his passes in 2011 for 3,638 yards with 24 touchdowns and six interceptions. The 6-foot-3, 220-pounder has good field vision, a strong arm and accuracy. He played better as the year progressed.

Wilson has the look of an NFL quarterback. He stands tall in the pocket and reads defenses well. The decision making the junior displayed last season was very impressive.

Wilson has a strong arm and is an accurate passer. He demonstrated the ability to push the ball outside the numbers in 2011, moving the ball down the field with precision passes. Wilson also has nice mobility to buy time or pick up yards on the ground. With his size, arm and intellect, he will most likely be viewed as a possible safe pick to scouts.

Wilson played a little bit in 2010 as a backup to Ryan Mallett. Wilson completed 34-of-51 passes for 453 yards with four touchdowns and three interceptions.

The 2012 season figures to be a challenging year for Wilson even though he received good preparation for the pro game from Bobby Petrino. Petrino has been fired and the Arkansas program is in turmoil. To make things harder, Wilson lost a bunch of good receivers.

LMAO at this thread.

The Reid honeymoon is OVER bitches!

Now lets get back to telling each other just how ****ing STUPID we are.

Of course they don't, they can will him to greatness all they want, but at the end of the day he is what he is, a Mark Cassel clone.

Walter references it a bit here:

Smith's plus mobility allows him to pick up first downs with his feet and bail out his offensive line. He needs to work on sustaining drives as he struggled when Texas Tech and Kansas State took away the deep part of the field. Smith will need to improve his footwork for the NFL. He needs to become more uniform with good feet to get in rhythm.<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

While I agree with this assessment, you have to take into consideration that Geno was playing from behind a LOT of time due to the terrible defense. He relied on the deep ball to get his team back into games quickly. TTech and Kstate game planned against this and that is why they got stomped.

Also, with Charles in the backfield and a good Chiefs running game, defenses are going to have to prepare for the run. Either Smith is going to eat up a defense with the deep pass, or Charles is in the run game. There will be no more stacking of the box.

I wouldn't love it, but with Reid as the coach, Barkley would work.

I've said for awhile that Barkley's going to be a solid QB in this league but he will absolutely have to go to a WCO. Well Reid's his guy then.

On the other hand, Reid has generally favored a more aggressive WCO; it uses the hitches, outs, etc... to utilize all 4 intermediate zones, but he also likes to push the ball upfield to keep defenders honest.

To my eyes, he's the most aggressive of the WCO practitioners. Can Barkley really thrive if Reid is trying to push the ball downfield? Oh, and can we really use 1.1 on a guy who's shoulder may/may not be sound?

Barkley is a sensible option, but certainly not my favorite.

Back to old times! Just like Mcdonalds!

If you dont enjoy beautiful deep chocolate balls, you're a bad american.

Show him the footage of upright doinks from a 20 yard Hail Mary, fleaflickers that wander right back up the center's butt, throwing directly into the oncoming pass rusher's shins, and ask him who exactly coached that.

Yeah USC is so ****ing talented they can plug anybody in and still kick ass:
http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=323660059
14/37
107 yards
1 TD
3 INT

http://espn.go.com/ncf/recap?id=323290030
14/28
186 yards
1 TD
2 INT

USC went from scoring 39.7 to 10 a game without Barkley.
Passing yards went from 327.3 per game to 146.5.

But its all about the WRs that USC has. Any QB can step in and be a superstar.

IF we are determined to trade down I would trade down very far. Five or six would be the farthest

Sure, Barkley has had 4 years. The kid that stepped in for him had 4 minutes.

The two biggest differences between Barkley and Cassel is that Barkley was at least good enough to play QB in college.

Also, Fat Scott will never be writing Barkley a $63,000,000 check.

But your dumbass said anybody can step in and be a stud at USC. Apparently that isn't the case ****head.

I think you're on top of it. He runs a WCO based system, but most definitely wants to stretch the defense often. I don't see Barkley as a fit at all personally. But what do I know right? I'd still take Geno #1.

Real Mature. You can keep using google for you Barkley stats and what not while the rest of us have an adult conversation. You take things so personal. Relax. In case you forgot we are on the same team here. But whatever makes you feel better about pissing on your balls

Bitter. You are an idiot. Don't say stupid shit and when its backed up by facts cry like a little girl.

Who's the one crying? And what facts did you present?

Are you somehow related to Barkley?

Would you bitches **** and get it over with?

This douche.

Barkley doesnt' have a cannon but he's PLENTY good enough to be successful if in the right system.


Which is pretty much the same with any QB in the league. There are 1 or 2 guys at QB int he NFL right now who would fit in any scheme. For the most part, you have to match the QB up with the right system.

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But is that system Andy Reids? And if so, what is it that Barkley has that someone a round later wouldn't? Is he just another Dalton?

I think it's fair to ask if it makes sense to use a pick that high on someone that's only going to succeed because the system is so QB friendly.

I wasn't saying specifically here, just a generality statement.

I absolutely don't want another Dalton.

I think at this point, it'll be Wilson or Smith. Both have potential upside to be not just managers but legit QB's.

You could also make an argument that you could stick any QB in an Air Raid offense, and he's going to put up scary numbers:

http://espn.go.com/college-football/...942/seth-doege

Very, very similar to Geno's numbers, and no Tayvon Austin.

Evaluating college QBs is tough. No one thinks Doege is a legit prospect, despite having nearly the same stats as Smith.

How someone could want Barkley over Geno or even Tyler Wilson blows my mind. Barkley will never be able to stay healthy for a full season in my opinion.

Ummmm....by very similiar you mean more than double the number of interceptions? Come on dude. JFC

Personally I like Bray but I think he is one that has to ride the pine a year.

I like Bray as well

Do you like his douchey tattoo?

Why?

Barkley moves like he's wearing concrete shoes.

That doesn't fit Reid's QB profile.

just want to point out the misleading thread title...

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I know in regards to coaches, they cannot sign with another team until their season is over, playoffs included. The same rule may apply to FO employees as well.

Jax hired Caldwell from Atlanta.

Want to know how I know that you know jack shit?

I keep conversing with you after 10 years of disagreements?...

And you're still a dumbshit.

Proof that you can't fix stupid.

Provide a solid connection between Geno and McNabb...

How about what Geno would bring to the table for productivity in the passing game? Huh? The kid is damn good. It wouldn't take long for Geno to pick up in an Andy Reid offense. Also durability & escape ability to extend plays much like what McNabb could do.

Geno is more accurate

There are others that have already given you the similarities, other than skin color.

You just refuse to acknowledge them.

That being said, I compare Geno to Aaron Rodgers moreso than to McNabb, because of the accuracy.

I have said, for the dumbshits that must compare black to black, that Warren Moon is a better comparison.

I think the Rodgers comparison is pretty spot on. Too bad no QB is worthy of the pick though!!!!

Yeah, whatever. Both interception rates are low, and there's a lot of noise in those anyway. Both threw the ball a ton, and had fantastic yards per attempt. Not saying that Doege is a prospect, just suggesting that you can't really compare QBs in the Air Raid system to guys in other systems using stats alone, because the Air Raid offense is...better. A related point: how long will USC continue to use an antiquated offense? Even in the NFL, are so-called pro-style offenses on their way out?

I like to compare Geno to Doug Williams a black QB who has won a Super Bowl :D

You do know we've actually WATCHED pretty much all of Geno's throws and not relied solely on "stats"? We think he's an NFL prospect because of his mobility, deep ball, accuracy, and work ethic.

I compare Geno Smith to Tavaris Jackson

Trollolol

I'd be really concerned about that comparison if I thought you had a single functioning brain cell.

Yes, I understand that. But simply comparing his stats to Matt Barkley is unfair. Look, I hope we take a QB with the #1 pick. I'm just not as convinced as most on here that Geno Smith is obviously the best QB in the draft. Maybe he is, may he isn't. Six months ago, everyone though Matt Barkley was the guy. And no, I am not suggesting we take Barkley.

I thought Tim Couch and Mark Sanchez would be very good NFL QB, shows you how much I know -- projecting from college to the NFL is damn tough -- so many variables effect whether a guy will develop into a franchise QB. This isn't baseball where it is possible to look at a guy's minor league OPS and have a fair amount of accuracy in predicting a guy's major league stats.

Dorsey and Reid are going to evaluate the shit of these guys, and if Geno is their man, I'm fine with it. If it's Barkley or Wilson, I'm fine with it. They have access to information about unobservables that I don't, and presumably a skill set in analyzing the observables that I lack.

But if you want to second guess those guys and be a miserable Chiefs fan if they don't decide on Geno Smith, go ahead.

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I can't wait until after the combines when all of the "experts" jump on Geno's nuts. It'll be funny watching the rest of the Chiefs fans try and hop on board as fast as possible.

Same here.

I'm having a hard time picturing Geno in a chiefs uniform, just seems like we're always shit out of luck when it comes to these players.

Knowing our history and luck, I could see Geno going to the jags or even buffalo.

:clap:

It doesn't matter how Geno compares to McNabb. It matters if he fits the system Reid likes to run. While you have backups like Kolb and Foles sprinkled in that run a traditional West Coast system from the pocket, most of Reid's successful offenses (McNabb, Garcia, Vick) were built around QBs who looked to throw first than used running as an escape route (Vick didn't always fit that bill, but he damn well tried. McNabb ran quite a bit, but much of that running was after he had exhausted a lot of his passing options).

Also keep in mind that Andy Reid doesn't typically have a very good offensive line, so you're not going to want a Tyler Wilson back there.

Interdasting

Indeed.

http://i.imgur.com/x11v7.jpg