Ravens - 34
49ers - 31

but they were balanced.
if a team spends it's time and resources trying build a kick as D and ignoring the offesne (ahem, Chiefs), then they're going to fail.

I hear what you're saying though. My standpoint ismore along the lines of folks that want to build all-world defenses and have a good running game etc..all that BS; it doesn't work anymore.

Oh you are right. Those defenses are horrible.

Baltimore's defense is not what it was.

Godiva Smith. The rest aren't sweet enough.

Ya absoulutely true. I just think they started with D and that was the heart and soul of those teams.

Horrible? No.

The Ravens defense is pretty average and middle of the pack. It's old.

Much as Flacco was pedestrian during the regular season and stellar in the playoffs, Baltimore's defense played much better in the postseason.

trade back 5 times pick up barkley and 10 picks.

Not a chance.

I know the SB there was a lot of scoring, but c'mon....Those teams didnt exactly get there riding the arms of Smith, Kaepernick, and Flacco.

I'm not even saying I think it has to be D for us. Just saying the talk like Defense is no longer as important is just a little premature.

Back on track. The Jets would be dumb enough to give up to potential 2nd rounders for Alex Smith. Rape them on draft day!!!

Of course we can still take Joeckel as our long term solution at LT. Albert is tagged, and he'll play if he wants that top 5 money. Guard, wherever.

STFU and STFD

I'd take Geno, Milliner, or... Mingo?

No way I'd take a fatty at #1 unless he was the second coming of Sapp.

Branden Albert is 28 years old. He IS the longterm solution at LT.

Why are you people so ****ing stupid about this? My god.

Dorsey has been doing work.

Now if he drafts Geno OMG it will be the best moment in my life ever.

Doesn't Star have a heart condition as well, or was that disproven? Something about a valve only working at less than half the rate or something.

Barkley will go in the top 10 this year.

honestly looking at it id rather our FO just draft Geno that way everyone will shut up and stop crying like little bitches and then if he fails everyone can eat crow and if he suceeds like a hof we can all get wasted and party.

Kiper, McShay, etc. have been projecting a LT at #1. Hence forth, Bradly Alberts sucks.

Passing on #1 draft pick . . .
 

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I swear, I'd pass on the 1.1 if I was your FO. Let the time expire, and per NFL rules they could still leap back in before JAX could make their pick. But, they could still make a trade in that small window IF they had all the parties on the phone at the same time.

If your FO doesn't get a deal done before JAX picks, they can keep right on passing and trying to make deals with any other team before Oakland makes their pick, or Philly, etc.

Doing this would induce some panic for other teams to possibly trade up, and KC could still jump right back in at any point to exercise their right over the next team on the board. That's how I read the rules.

i agreee completely QB's come draft time go so quick. Everyone has them projected round 2 etc but just look at players that really needed QB's Miami and Jax. Both jumped on QB's early. Theres no way barkley falls to 2nd round, and if he even gets close im sure someone from 2nd round will trade up to get him.

You haven't been paying attention. Flacco had 11 TDs and 0 INTS in the playoffs. Without that performance they don't overcome the 35 points by Denver and 31 by SF. Baltimore was 13th in points allowed and 17th in yards. Pretty average.

SF in the playoffs gave up 31, 24, and 31 points.

When push comes to shove, the offense wins out.

He will be 29 during the season. That's an almost 30 year old player with an emerging history of back trouble. They seem to feel good about his back - good enough to make only a one-year commitment to him. But back problems don't usually go away once they begin.

If we don't find a successor, we'll be complaining about the terrible protection and the huge hole we have at the second most important position on offense in 1-2 years.

And as important as QBs are, you can't win the super bowl with a hole at LT

Dorsey said he will continue to negotaie with Albert to hopefully grt a long term deal done before the season starts.

If thats not saying **** you joeckel than Idk what is.

Um...link?

Then replace him in the 2014 draft. You can ALWAYS find quality LTs in the draft. Have we ever been in a bad position to draft one? EVER?

If the #1 pick is to be a "for the future" move, we need to go with the QB.

Not that you'll make any sense out of this. You'll just pooh pooh it and keep pounding the same true fan hammer

I jokingly brought this up a few weeks ago...

we would be the franchise to do something like this

lololol

Per Aaron Wilson who is a Ravens Insider.

Dorsey announces the franchise tag for Branden Albert: "We will continue to negotiate with Branden and his agent to reach a deal'

A) 28 is not old for a left tackle. Period. Dude, you can't say a 28 year old is "almost thirty." He won't be 29 until november. Quit stirring shit up.
B) You don't "find a successor" or "groom a guy for a year" behind your starter at left tackle. When you need one, you draft one. It's not a depth position. Your entire offensive line will only take up eight roster spots, so those backups have to be flexible, like Allen and Stephenson are. Not Joeckel, who couldn't move inside to guard in a pinch. And even if we did want to groom a guy behind Albert, WE ALREADY DRAFTED A LEFT TACKLE. HIS NAME IS DONALD STEPHENSON, SO YOUR POINT IS COMPLETELY MOOT.
C) Emerging back trouble isn't the same as one back injury. Quit stirring shit up.

Drafting Luke Joeckel at 1.1 would be absolutely retartar sauce.

Geno mother ****ers

follow through

I wouldn't rule this scenario out.

Geno Smith, just as it always has been even after we heard about dishing out a 2nd for Alex.

Well, I did start drinking about noon today. Howsomever, in THIS draft it's not the worst idea ever. You sure want to get out of that 1.1 some way.

I'll probably get crushed for saying this but here goes nothing.

This may not be my #1 option but IF we can't trade down what about Jarvis Jones at #1 (assuming his neck checks out okay)

We could then put Tamba on the trade block for a late 1st/early 2nd and get a QB or CB or S with that pick.

To me, Tamba is a 1 trick pony (Pass Rush) and he even seemed to take a step back in that last season. For a guy that almost exclusively rushes the passer every down, I want more consistent pressure than what I saw last year. With Jones, you get a potential elite 3-4 OLB to pair with Houston + a chance to trade a player when he might command a lot more than he will in 2 years when he starts sucking. Upgrade at OLB + a pick is WAAAAYYYY better than a LT at #1 and kicking Albert (who is a better pass blocker than run blocker) inside to G.

Alright CP --- let me have it...

I think HOPE IS RESTORED.
Chiefs with the Number One Pick Select....GENO!

STFU and never post again.

Delete your account, then throw your computer into your bath tub.

Trade down & Milliner.

Don't wreck the party.

Definitely hoping for a trade down at this point.
Can't wait until Free Agency opens up next week.

This is just stupid. ****ing crazy stupid. Tamba is not a 1 trick pony. If he were, then he wouldn't have the value to get what you're proposing. You can't have it both ways.

Tamba is awesome. Jones is an unknown with serious potential health issues. WTF sense does it make to risk that? Tambi has been consistent and injury free. WTF?

You're a ****ing idiot.

What about Dion Jordan? Assuming we get our DL and CB in FA, we aren't stuck on a certain position.

I'm all about getting some heat on the QB.

I'd say there is a higher likelihood of that happening than the Chiefs taking Genom, by far.

We drafting Geno, and holding him for ransom.


Rape will follow. (I don't know if we will be giving or receiving, though.)

what is that urine smell

I think Buffalo could be a trade partner if they believe either Oakland or Arizona want Geno. With the 8th overall pick, the Chiefs take...

Yeah, you are. You are a buffoon.

its going to be either joeckl, star, or dee.

QB is the most important position by far, so investing those kind of resources in the position is an easy sell to me. Take Geno and smile.

Get your shit right ! Fixed for ya!

LMAO

Most excellent mon frere.

Like I said I knew I would get crushed for mentioning this but IMO its better than an OT at the top of the draft. Thats all i was saying. I would much rather take Miliner, or maybe a D lineman (I have given up on QB at #1). But I think Jones is gonna be a stud and I think Tamba (after an elite 2010 year) has declined each of the past 2 seasons.

One trick pony was too strong because he has gotten much better against the run since he came into the league but last year I thought he disappeared for some games and that does have me a little worried as he ages. I thought Houston was a much more complete OLB last year.

Is this satire? If so, well done. If not, I sincerely hope Dorsey agrees with you. To find a Super Bowl champion with a hole at LT, you have to go all the way back to 2011. Or 2010. Or 2009.

All I know is Peydaton made Clady alot of money and Brees won a Super Bowl with some slapdick named Bushrod at LT.

1. I don't give a flying **** about if Tamba is elite against the run. The league is based on passing, you want to have guys who can rush the passer.

2. It's truly hard to evaluate a defense that has played with a lead on very few occasions.

3. I don't hate drafting an OLB to groom behind Tamba in the 3rd round. I'm not taking Jarvis Jones, Mingo, or Jordan above Geno or Barkley.

Hard to project...could be anyone at #8.

Geno is still the only one that makes any kind of sense at 1-1.

If you don't find a trade pardner, even if you don't want Geno, take him and hold him hostage to Jacksonville,Bills, Raiders or whoever wanted him and expected him to drop.

Meh. I see a defensive pick coming.

Dee Milliner and Shariff Floyd make a lot of sense at 1.1 right now.

A corner and a 5th ridiculous high pick on the 3-4 line....SWEEEEEEET

I'd take Geno right now, even over my choice of any two of those guys.

Maybe all three.

Geno has the chance to be really good if given a chance to groom him for a year and a half to two years....that provides the far greatest upside over another defensive linemen or a second corner with one year of starting experience in college or another left tackle.

No, they don't.

I'm all about Geno. That said, if there are merit to the rumors about Tamba being traded, I could see them snagging a mid first and third for him (he is on a three year, fairly club friendly deal.)
If they do make that trade, your choice of passrushers (Mingo would probably be my top-rated 3-4 OLB without doing too much research) would make a whole lot of sense at one.

Why? At this point we don't have a CB or a DE. Our biggest need right now is at CB.

Why is everyone so ready to give up on Arenas? The dude has started like 7 games are RCB.

I remember when people wanted Brandon Carr out of here. Joke was on those morons.

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Dee Milliner?

Wait all offseason when qb was biggest need you said we couldn't draft for need at 1 and had to go bpa, now it's all for need. Which is it?

I could swear you said the combine would take Smith out of the picture
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Does Dee play for Alabama State?

Not last I saw.

ROFL

No way it's Barfley.

That's right. Saying that Dee Milliner and Shariff Floyd are in that mix as the best player is pretty reasonable.

They are both projected in the top 5.

Yeah an they're reaches at 1, same as everyone in this draft

100% Stamp'd of approvals.

I agree. We won't get a better idea of who the pick will be until 3 or 4 weeks from now when FA is over.

If we lock up a cb and a de in free agency I don't know what the **** we do on draft day. It sucks but with the way this draft sets up we may have to settle for a future type guy at 1 whichever way we go