I mean, if he was spending his money on ugly hookers or really cheap alcohol, I'd probably tell him how to spend his money.


It would be for his own benefit though. :)

That's the myth of Alex Smith.

The 49ers ran for 200 yards in that game.

And even with the 49ers good line in 2011, he was sacked 44 times. He has a lot of Cassel-like characteristics.

In his defense, the 9ers aren't a pass first pass happy team. Even with Kaep, they are a physical grind it out type offense, that with kaep got a really dynamic guy.

Pretty much the 90's Chiefs with better athletes on offense.

Michael Crabtree was almost twice as productive with Colin Kaepernick.

He's a huge hindrance to WRs.

Not everyone can be Steve Young or Joe Montana.

That doesn't mean that he can't be an average or above average QB, which is something the Chiefs haven't had really since 2005.

Cassel-like.

We are ****ed.
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Damn you and your logic/sense.

And Crabtree was a lazy suckass for the 3.5 years prior.

It's clearly obvious that you didn't watch any of their games. Stats do not tell the whole story.

Regardless, anyone on the planet that argued that Alex Smith is more talented than Colin Kaepernick would be a fool.

Kaepernick is, right now, a very special player.

He was on pace for 3500 yards 26 td and 10 int, if you wouldn't take that stat line on your team because its not enough yards you're a moron.

That's exactly what he is.

That's why a lot of people here already hate his guts.

We gave up two 2nd-round picks for a guy who can't even throw the ball down the field.

Exciting!

LMAO

OK.

I suppose it was just coincidence Crabtree had 880 yards in 10 games with Kaepernick.

49ers fans will back all this up, BTW.

You know another guy who didn't throw the ball down the field a lot, Joe Montana.

I mean there are tons of 49ers fans acting like they just got rid of their own Cassel, so think about that for a moment.

Embarrassing acquisition, and the disappointment over it is legitimate.

Holy shit, we're calling Alex Smith montana now. LMAO

Yes difference is Smith has a stronger arm than Montana and probably more mobility.

Joe ****ing Montana didn't win us a Super Bowl. He broke apart in mid~air.

Laughable quote. The numbers were barely higher...

I hope the Mods decide an ethnic cleansing is due for you 49er****s.

Not only were the numbers barely higher but Vernon Davis' numbers fell off a cliff with Kaep until the playoffs.

Along with nary a one of the qualities that made montana great.

Why am I wasting time on a mult. Stupid me.

Read it and weep, dumbass.

http://i.imgur.com/Nzuguy6.jpg

We should give up, move the team to LA and disband Chiefsplanet.

Only because Colin had one game then Alex Smith did. Give Alex Smith 10 games too, it'll only be fair. /truefans

This... is the post i was trying to come up with for OTWP.

They have to start somewhere in the effort to be relevant again, and as you astutely pointed out earlier the stats dont really tell the whole story on Axl... he's a clearcut upgrade over cassel.

I personally am NOT satisfied with mediocrity, and i hate that charge being leveled about on anyone who's trying to find the good in the new regimes moves.

Simply winning with any level of consistency is a step in the right direction, get that old aura back and a championship future might be bright... all of the sudden you're a hotspot for prime free agents again, rookies salivate at the thought of playing here again... the point is, getting back to simply DECENT, doesnt preclude the eventual arrival of our Virgin Rookie Savior, who knows what the future holds.

I'm tired of everyone saying, "It's better than what we had." When you upgrade from shit to a shit sandwich, it's still shit.

No you have to lose and get the 1st pick in the draft or you don't have a chance./

So, go on record. All of you that are "done with this shit franchise", please let us know. Who will you be a fan of this season? And when the chiefs are good, who knows when, will you root for them again?

I've never before seen fans of a 2-14 team talking about how its super bowl over the next couple years or bust. You don't just draft a guy with your top pick and that automatically makes him a franchise qb who's going to put you in contention for a championship every year, that's not how football works just ask the browns. The most you can hope for is to always take steps to get better, being a champion doesn't happen overnight.

And Vernon Davis' (who tied Gonzales' 13 TDs in 2009) numbers went in the toilet. QBs have go to guys who they feel comfortable with. Your argument; like all that I've read, is total troll crap.

I mean really. The guy had Mike Nolan and Mike Singeltary as his HC, 6 different OCs in as many years, two of which were Jimmy Raye and teo guys who had never calked plays before. on top of that he suffered a significant shoulder injury. When Alex came out of Utah, spread QBs were nit nearly as commin. Nolan at that time was completely I'll equipped to develop Smith and threw him in way before he was ready. As for Singeltary? He is flat out reeruned.

As soon as Harbaugh got into SF, and without a full offseason. Smith lead the 9ers withing two special teams gaffs (against a very evenly match and stout Giants team) from the Super Bowl.

It amusing watching you asshats bash a guy you know nothing about, aside from the cherry picked stats that go much further in making you look cork on your fork stupid, than actually proving anything at all.

The 49ers averaged 60 more passing yards per start when Colin took over the starters role.

Kaepernick had 1814 yards passing 10ds 3 ints in 7 regular season starts. 259yards per game

Smith had 1737 yards 13tds 5ints in 9 regular season starts. 193 yards per game passing

Kaepernick also had 415 yards rushing in 7 starts...that's another 59 yards per game.

318 yards of offense per game average.

Will I be a fan? I guess, I don't know how you can sit back every Sunday and root for a team that has no hope of winning a Superbowl and no real hope of improving the next year to win that season.

Will I miss a majority of home games, which is something I haven't done since I was still a snot nosed elementary school kid? Probable.

Will I publicly describe myself as Chiefs fan? Hell no. Why the **** would I when I'm the "reerun" who points out that Alex Smith cannot score more than 20 touchdowns in a season, Dwayne Bowe is one of the best WRs in the league and his supposed reputation for dropping passes is a farce and the leaders of the defense will be in decline from this point on?

Most Chiefs fans are a bunch of sad sack idiots who deserve to waste their money watching an inferior product week in and week out while other franchises win superbowls.

With Alex Smith the future is 8-8, 9-7. He won't have that 49ers defense here.

It's a dumb ass fan base. People were happy when Herm was hired after failing in NY. KC fans love sloppy seconds. Enjoy the taste of San Fran spooge.

:clap:

*pukes*

Dip shit. We who want to draft a QBotf want him so we can grow as a franchise into being champions. We expect it to take time with growing pains but we will have hope to get better for the long haul in building a Championship team. Getting retread reeruns like your Alex Smith is in no way step toward that goal.

****, if he can't extend drives, he's going to be raped.

It's clear that he only got better because his yards per reception were better and....I'll let the homers finish this one.

But I'm sure you site Turner, Martz, and Raye as negatives...

Simple fix:

http://www.dcfd8.com/images/extenze_product.jpg

K. That's what I thought. Bandwagon. See you back out at Arrowhead when the chiefs are winning, whenever that may be

**** you.

True Fans?

You don't even know what that mean, you ****ing worthless n00b.

So, who here (or anywhere in THIS universe) is claiming that Alex Smith is better than Colin Kaepernick?

What makes this season any different than the past 42?

Wow, you really showed everyone else in the country who's the boss!

If they're winning with a legitimate quarterback then sure I'll be back, but I fail to see how I'm "bandwagon" when I've never witnessed a playoff victory in my conscious life yet stuck through the Gunther years, the punt-less playoff game, the Herm years and every single Matt Cassel home start.

I would.

Mike Martz has been a cluster**** since his "leave of absence" with the Rams. He's no longer in the league.

It's tough to defend Norv's decision to leave the 49ers for the Raiders. :D

And Jimmy Raye? Oh, Dude.

So, if the Chiefs had Manning or Rodgers or Brady or any other "legitimate" QB, you'd be on board.

Where I come from (the same place as you, apparently), that's called a Fair-Weather Fan.

Well, the one difference is that this is the second time the franchise has had the opportunity to draft a QB since 1983. They made the wrong decision then, and they might make the wrong decision this year, but at least they tried.



Key word is most. Most fans don't have a clue about how today's NFL is and they'll accept whatever retread is brought in or whatever egotistical nutjob is running the show at HC or GM.

EDIT About Manning et al:

If the Chiefs Ditka'd themselves into acquiring a Manning or Brady and in exchange won a SB it'd be bittersweet. It would be orgasmically awesome because the one sports team I've invested much of my time in finally won a championship, but chances are they put themselves in cap or talent hell doing it for about a decade or so. So I guess it would be a marginal net positive.

But I would be so much more accepting if the Chiefs took a Geno Smith, or a Tyler Wilson, or Bray, or shit even Barkley, flamed out to Ryan Leaf levels as long as they team tried again with a top tier QB prospect as soon as they recognized the error made.

You will jump on the bandwagon again when they are winning. U said so yourself. That will make you a bandwagon fan. Nothing wrong with that. I was just asking. I enjoy it out there regardless of winning and losing. I enjoy it more when they win of course.

Someone who's had season tickets for 40 years, jumps off at this point, I gotta ask, what took you so long?

LMAO

Are you ****ing functionally reeruned? The Chiefs have had EVERY opportunity to draft a QB in the first or second round for DECADES.

Why are you panties in a bunch because they've chosen to pass on a bunch of stiffs in order to win back their local fan base?

And neither do you.

The fans of the Kansas City Chiefs aren't going to give the team another five years to have a ****ing winning record. Five out of the last SIX SEASONS, they've had a losing record and not only THAT, but TWO 2-14 seasons.

You have absolutely NO CLUE about economics or marketing or anything else related to owning sports franchise if you believe that the Chiefs, after 4-12, 2-14, 4-12, 2-14, etc. and so on, are going WIN OVER their fan base by drafting a QB in a down year.

JFC. Are you 15 years old?

The Raye thing was a drunk Sorter being angry.


Martz at least 1.5 good years with the Bears.

Norv, eh. Probably overrated as a playcaller and underrated as a coach (although probably justly rated as a HC).

At this point, the Chiefs aren't going to lose any fans. After the past few years, they've already lost a bunch.

If they continue to "win over their fan base" by throwing 2nd round picks at veteran stiffs, then the fan base needs to be taken out back and shot. At least whatever fan base is still left.

It's sad to see what happened with Martz. I can't explain it. I've never asked around and I probably will someday, but I wonder if the guy is bi-polar or suffering from some sort of mental disease. He went from being absolutely brilliant to being absolutely dumb, literally overnight.

Norv's weird. I don't know how that guy keeps getting hired in the NFL, especially when guys like Buddy Ryan and Marty and Sam Wyche or even Al Saunders, can't. His only true success was with Dallas during the Glory Years and since then, he's been living off of his reputation.

Hey, more power to him but I just don't get it.

They've lost my money. But some **** will gladly step in my place, so that doesn't matter anyhow.

While Martz is generally considered a good OC Alex Smith never played a down in the regular season for him. He was on IR the entire year.

The other fallacy is that all of you would be happy with the chiefs simply for trying, even if Geno was a bust. Total BS. You'd bash them for wasting the first round pick when they could have had ( insert whatever player is a future pro bowler).

Is the Hall of Fame Smith is headed to as awesome as the CP Hall of Classics?

You're missing the point where it actually worked.

The Chiefs haven't won a playoff game in 20 years. Before their first playoff appearance in 1986, they hadn't been in the playoffs in 15 years.

This franchise is shit covered in shit. It always has been and it always will be, until they prove otherwise.

Which is why I cannot understand the faux outrage.

Totally agree on Martz and Norv.

Norv is the antithesis of clutch when playcalling for a team when he's the HC.

The NFL is full of dumb ****s, this isn't obvious to you?

An entire wing of Foxboro's coaching office got hired to jobs they never deserved.

Well, now that would be a REAL honor.

Amirite?

But god dammit, I love the way that ****er draws up screens.


Seriously, every team should steal their screen philosophies/designs from Norv.

Sure.

It's why I can't get too worked up about people who are saying "**** it, I'm out". A fair weather fan would ahve likely left a long time ago.

And the Chiefs have sucked for four decades.

Why this move is causing "outrage" is at once frightening and hilarious.

It's as if people believe they're rooting for the Broncos or Ravens or Patriots or NY Giants.

In reality, they're hoping their team isn't embarrassed on Thanksgiving Day before even eating breakfast.

He made possitive strides under Turner until he bailed to SD in the eleventh hour. Fact: Smith never played under Martz. He re-injured his still not fully healed shoulder in the preseason and missed the entire 2008 season. Jimmy Raye was a dinosaur who didn't do jack for the 49erss and was fired by the team. so in Mike Singeltary's utter reerunation he chose quarterbacks coach Mike Johnson to run the offense. He was so bad they had to bring in another guy to help him call the plays.

Alex Smith is KC's staring QB now. Some of you may want to actually "try" and get the history right before you break out the Kleenex.

So you're saying you're a fan of Jimmy Raye?

:evil:

*pukes again*


Mother ****er, that is like 3 times today.

I don't know what some people here want.

They want it their way or else the team is a clustershit.

Good, proven coach.
Good GM, unlike Pioli, Dorsey was mentored by the best in the business (who proved he can draft, unlike BB).
Good offseason moves (kept top players and signed solid ones)

The draft is not over yet.

Alex does provide hope because there's a good coach here who knows how to get the most of his QB. Let's wait and see. I am looking forward to next season.

My only beef was getting raped in the trade.

What, so are you some dinosaur racist?
GTFO. ****ing dinos deserve some respect from people that aren't bigots.


Seriously, the Compys are all like "**** off, Comixus".

I was on board with Geno but the whole at least we'd have tried mantra I am not. I'm on board with getting it right. Trying and losing equals losing. So don't draft me a bust QB with the 1.1 and tell me at least you tried. Is Alex Smith getting it right? If he's not then I won't be happy. Does that matter? Not really.

I think it's awesome, personally.

I've been a fan of this franchise since the late 60's. I've sat in an empty Arrowhead Stadium wearing a parka on many occasions.

I went to "scab" games.

I was there when Marty was hired, when Barry Word ran for 200 yards and Barry Sanders ran for 100 yards and flew back to see Joe Montana on Monday Night Football in 1993.

I've been to San Diego countless times, to Denver to the Meadowlands to watch Favre beat them in a game they should have won (if only DJ had made that interception) and I'm sure I'll see them time and time again, even if they suck and lose.

But you won't see me pull my own man card and say "That's IT! They didn't take the guy I wanted so I QUIT!".

LMAO

What a bunch of ****ing weeping vaginas.

LMAO

That was my point.

The people that are still left, the people that love the Alex Smith move, love the Chase Daniel move, loved the Matt Cassel move, loved Brady Quinn and Ricky Stanzi and Damon Huard and Brodie Croyle and Tyler Pigpo. They're the people that would ask for more if Clark Hunt took a ****ing dump in their mouth. The people where it doesn't matter an iota what the team does, cause damnit, they're "loyal"! The fans of this team, especially the majority of the locals, don't give two shits about what's on the field. The team wouldn't lose anything if they drafted a QB at this point, because the fans that are still tailgating and in the stands and buying season tickets will choke down whatever flavor kool-aid they're handed. Whether it's Alex Smith or Alex Tanney or Geno Smith or Sean Renfree. All the same to them.

The franchise had no problem with getting a good number of ticket holders through the door after a pretty dismal 2011 season until things went completely tits up by week six or so in 2012.

And yes, the Chiefs have been in a position to draft a QB in the first 50 picks in the draft but have chosen not to. Where has that got them though?

Similarly, what has drafting a 1st round QB got them? Well, the pretty bad Blackledge era but at least they tried to develop talent though the front office / coaching staff of the 80s is a pretty dark mark on a franchise.

But that's in the past. Now, on Jan. 5 of this year the Chiefs had two courses of action: they could have selected a FO that was determined to rebuild a franchise that already has a collection of key places in place on defense and offense by taking a crack at drafting a quarterback with the first overall selection or trying to be savvy in trading down a la Jeff Fisher into a position where they still get the player they want (in this case a QB and not a defensive linemen such as Brockers) while accumulating draft picks in 2013 or 2014.

Or, they could make a "win now" push with the players on the roster whilst mortgaging the future in trading prime draft picks to acquire a quarterback that is only marginally better than the starter on the roster, which is, in essence, the same move the previous two general manger and head coach combinations have done.

I think the Chiefs will be in a position to "try" if they can at least put a respectable, solid team on the field for a few seasons.

This franchise has been nearly as inconsistent as the Atlanta Falcons before Arthur Blank and Thomas Dimitroff. They win, they lose for years on end, then win again, then lose for a better part of a decade.

If Reid and Dorsey can provide some stability and manage to right this ship, they'll draft a QB early and develop him. But you can't just take a shit franchise, draft a QB in a down year, and expect everyone to just sit around and wait for something to happen.

Look, if the Chiefs were passing on a Matt Stafford or an Andrew Luck or an RGIII or an Eli Manning or someone that nearly everyone in the known universe believes in, I'd be pissed.

But Geno Smith? Right or wrong, Geno Smith isn't going to generate fan interest, especially if, as many people have suggested, he could use a year on the bench to percolate.

Just hypothetically because Sorter had a few to many Bombay Sapphires, would you say that if we passed on Luck and RG3?

I think that someone would have assassinated Clark Hunt, Scott Pioli and Romeo Crennel.

Seriously.

I also believe that while there's a slight chance, maybe .0000001% that would have happened, even Scott Pioli was drooling over both guys last year and said something to the effect of "Draft them? I want either of them to marry my daughter!".