This.

LOL. 6-2 before a concussion.

Happy with it? No, but I understand where it's coming from. We are/were the worst franchise in the NFL the past few years, in terms of not only wins and losses, but general perception around the league.


I'm pretty positive this offseason, I'm always pretty positive, but it really doesn't matter either way to me, I've been let down before.

I just want to enjoy football again.


This place though, has become either bitching about the moves the team has made, or bitching at the people bitching because they "would rather be right than win" or some similar statement.

Football discussions are becoming few and far between.

Yep. Oh well, if we win games it will probably die down, until next off season at least.

Clay.

Just... Christ.

I'm truly convinced some of you would rather lose because Alex Smith is the QB.

Gotta prove their agendas, AMIRITE?

We know Fisher is already a better run blocker than Albert simply because 1. Albert hasn't been a great run blocker and 2. Fisher has a rep as being pretty awesome at it.

Meanwhile, zero evidence to suggest Fisher is a better pass blocker. Zilch.

Without a single doubt.

I think there are some here, who want him to be successful, but just don't think he will be based on his previous playing time.


Then there are a select few, who you are probably right about.


In the end, I'd say most just want to win.

I'd like to win a SB.

The sooner Alex Smith is outta here, the sooner we can get on with that goal.

Good, I guess. This whole situation has been a travesty.

Wow. Just wow.

So you think a coach who drafted Donovan McNabb 2nd overall and a guy like Dorsey who comes from a franchise that invested a first round pick in Aaron Rodgers is going to pass on drafting someone like Andrew Luck if he was there?

I just really can't get behind that rationale. It's absurd frankly. The failures of 2 previous GMs (one of which who said he never wanted to draft a QB and would always go with the veteran, and another who thought he could catch lighting in a bottle twice with low round QBs) are being lumped in with guys who have drafted QBs high and had success doing it.

To say they'd want an Andrew Luck here just to trade the pick is complete hyperbole.

Andy Reid/Dorsey have been Chiefs for 4 months. The trade for Alex Smith was more of a reflection on what they thought about this QB class more than anything. If they were all in on him, they'd have given him an extension much like Pioli did without merit.

I think some want to win. I think some also want to win with certain players.

I think some just want to be ****ing miserable forever.

This is a good move some of you are really underrating the value of a good o line. The key to any great team is in the trenches, in the 2010 the Niners traded up to the 11th pick to take RT Anthony Davis, 6 picks later they took LG Mike Iupati 17th overall. Idiots who don't understand how football works complained at the time because the picks were boring. Not too many Niner fans complaining about the picks now.

Sure has been. It's been poorly played out.

The book isn't closed on it yet, but these middle chapters have been amateur hour.

What has Alex Smith ever done or shown you in his career that makes you think he can make the Chiefs a great team?

And if you say "The playoff win against New Orleans" I will hope that one day a midget walks up to you on the street and punches you in the dick.

Yea that one win was all he did the last 2 years.

Win with certain players? I just don't agree with that I guess.

People just want to win, they may not think certain people can win to a level they quite want the Chiefs to win at can do it, but they want to win.

Then there are the obvious morons who just want to hear themselves scream.

Let's don't pretend this was the plan all along, k?

Why do you want to discredit that win so much?

What gives me hope is that he followed up that run in 2011 coming out playing even better in 2012. He's not being coordinated by Daboll, Grandpa Muir, this is a legitimate offensive staff that should be able to build on some of the good things he did in San Fran.

Why does hope have to be such a ****ing negative around here?

Battered Fan Syndrome. Too many fans have been abused for so long that they fall into the trap of thinking every person involved with the Chiefs is going to abuse them even if they are brand new and there is no reason to think that way. It's irrational but completely understandable.

If Alex Smith gives you hope, I weep for you future nervous breakdown.

I don't know how anybody could objectively stand back, look at this team and not see it is better than 2012. Most importantly at the top.

I agree with the bolded part but not the italics.

You can use your brain and figure out that Dorsey and Reid have nothing to do with the last 30 years.

Alex Smith played pretty damn good against he Saints in the playoffs. Really well, hopefully he plays that way here.

But he also didn't play very well against the Giants. The Giants, were obviously a better defense, but there have been a few running around here spewing how the 9ers d didn't show up against he Saints, Smith was like Elway, etc.

There are no gray areas on CP anymore. It's either black or white.

1 playoff wins in 8 years. 38-36-1 record.


Nevermind, I forgot that Alex Smith is the only player in the league that gets to omit seasons from his career.

I want him to be successful, but in his career, he hasn't shown that ability to do that. He's only played a full season twice in his 8 year career. A team can't win when their starting QB spends that much time on the bench.

I hope you get raped by a 400lb man.

I have no problem with it. People here underestimate the importance of a good OL. And you can call me a "true fan" all you want it doesn't change that fact.

Andy Reid knows how important OL is, he had to deal with a bad line all year last year.

> bad /= good

Am I the only one who thinks Alex Smith will be surrounded by better offensive talent in KC than he was in SF?

KC WRs > SF WRs
Charles > Gore
Chiefs OL > SF OL
Chiefs TE < SF TE

Smith did show, that with a competent organization he can be very successful. He was playing pretty well in 2012 when he got hurt.


The injury problems are the most concerning thing IMO.

Notice I say competent there too. As much pub as Harbaugh gets for being a QB guru, his offensive system doesnt' seem to be geared towards putting the load on the QB.

IMO, he seems to be a Martyballer in a sense.

I have heard all the bullshit from you guys I know the "stats" you want to spew.

I know this, he has played better for 4 years straight. I liked him in SF the last 2 years BEFORE we got him.

Unlike many other who liked him before I am sticking to my guns. He became a pariah as soon as we traded for another SF QB.

No.

You don't think our WR core is better?

And what stats do you want to spew? You're extremely selective with your stats also. Remember when you were arguing about his YPC and then in the middle of the argument switched to YPA because the stats proved you wrong? There are more stats that make Alex Smith look bad than the ones that make him look good.


He's started more than 10 games ONCE in the past 4 years.

This, this, and this.

Been down this road so many times with this team that it's really tough for me to get excited about next season or any real sustained sucess with this team past the next 2 years.

How many more times does this team expect fans to see yet another vet QB be adequate, win anywhere between 9 & 11 games, go to the playoffs and lose in the first round? Am I supposed to be excited about this prospect and clap like a seal for a fish?

ALL RIGHT!! A RT TAKEN FIRST OVERALL!!! Trade away a 2nd round pick that is essentially a 1st round pick given the talent in this years draft? COOL!!!

Seriously, this is a team and franchise only George Allen could love.

Crabtree, Manningham, Moss, Williams are as good as Bowe, Avery, Baldwin, and McCluster

The injury history for Smith is the most worrisome, IMO.

Probably as good. I'll admit, i didn't watch a whole lot of the 9ers last year, but IIRC, Moss wasn't much.

But, neither were our WR's so there is that.

I just disagree. I think the decision on Alex Smith was made in January, on the very first day that Clark met with Reid, before Reid even knew anything about any of the names in this draft class (at any position). I think that's the only guy that Reid's wanted all along, the known quantity and the guy he, for whatever reason, believes he can win with immediately. Because I think he, as a veteran coach whose prior team was on a steady decline, cares much more about the short term than the long. I believe that trade would have been made regardless of the quality of this draft class, or the QBs in it, and I don't think the fact that Smith hasn't been extended means anything, because he's not under a single-year contract. I believe that the true indicator of his value in the team's eyes lies in the insane compensation that they dealt to get him.

And this is not in any way, shape or form about Geno Smith. I never expected the Chiefs to draft him, and I was never upset that they didn't, nor do I care that the guy fell. He's just another name as far as this conversation goes. It's not about him. It's about Alex Smith, and how I believe the present and future of this team at quarterback is being built, and most likely will continue to be built. HE was their draft pick at quarterback. Dorsey has said as much (literally, at the draft party during the first round). And I don't believe that anything would have changed that, including the presence of Andrew Luck, or RG3, or Matt Stafford, or Matt Ryan, or any other player you care to name. Because I don't believe that this franchise is willing, philosophically-speaking, to go that route. Because while I think they might, in ensuing years, pull the trigger on mid- to low-round quarterbacks as developmental prospects, I believe that they want a veteran as a starter, and that precludes the selection of anyone at the position on day 1 and likely even day 2.

Just my opinion. Don't think you're stupid if you disagree, and you might be right. I certainly don't work at Arrowhead, so I'm just making a guess.

Wouldn't it be great if Chase Daniel had to come in a game.

LOL. k

WRs:
KC: Bowe, Baldwin, Avery, McCluster, Hemingway, Copper, Wylie, Bellamy, Gilyard, Newsome,

49ers: Crabtree, Jenkins, Patton, Boldin, Manningham, Wlliams, Lockette, Hastings, Moore,

Advantage 49ers.

RBs:
KC: Charles, Davis, Draughn, Gray, Eachus (ROFL)
49ers: Gore, James, Hunter, Lattimore, Hampton

Charles is a better back but 49ers are incredibly deeper than KC. Advantage 49ers

TE:
KC: Fasano, Kelce, Brokeaki, Brock
49ers: Davis, McDonald, Celek, Morrah

This would be really close if Davis wasn't so mcuh better than any of the TEs on KC's roster. Fasano, Kelce, Moeaki (if he can stay healthy) is a pretty deep but not very sexy group on paper. Still, advantage 49ers

Yes I understand that. But moving in a positive direction is better than the last regime. I don't get into player arguments much because my opinion is no better than any other fan.

But there is no proof that Geno Smith is better than Alex Smith if they played under the same circumstances. None.

So the new front office weighs that and decides they want to first build an OL so whatever QB they plug in has the best chance of success. I don't have a problem with that.

Thanks for your incredibly valuable insight, Brock.

If you are looking at the 2011 49ers (Smith's last full season) then there is really no way in **** that I would buy Crabtree/Edwards/Ginn being better than Bowe/Baldwin/Avery/McCluster

This is a valid point. Another concussion and he's likely done.

Alex Smith "didn't have receivers in SF" because of Alex Smith.

Actually, when looking at it that way, neither team has a very good WR corps in terms of production to this point outside of 1 guy.

Yeahhhhhhh. Typical stupid bullshit......Josh Morgan. 4th receiver in washington. Ted Ginn, 5th receiver in Carolina now. Brett Swain, out of the league.

Thats why they drafted patton this year, and traded for boldin, knowing alex smith was leaving, because they dont think that the receivers were a problem.

Get over yourself.

Why are you comparing the CURRENT 49ers roster to our roster?

Wouldn't it make sense to compare it to the 2011 49ers roster since that is who in the **** Alex Smith played with?

Suggesting Reid wouldn't draft those guys warrants just that kind of response. Absolutely idiotic.

I would say that Boldin, Manningham and Crabtree have had good levels of production

So guys who where benched, traded, injured and pretty much sucked where the problem in SF?

:hmmm:

Sounds familiar.

Typical balls deep on a mediocre pos QB.

Go back to your own boards... oh wait...

I've been scouring the internet for statistics and I discovered that Alex Smith was not able to complete even ONE pass to Anquan Boldin in San Francisco. Unbelievable.

Wait, now I'm seeing that Anquan Boldin was actually playing for the Baltimore Ravens while Alex Smith was in San Francisco. Hmmmmmmmm. brb guys, I gotta look into this some more.

I was comparing Smith to Cassel before comparing Smith to Cassel was even cool

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=257390

Shit has been compared to shit since before you were born.

I'd take Bowe over any of their receivers and I'd take Charles over any of their RB's. Far more playmaking ability.

I think their TE's are better, but I think we have a solid group.

James the duck is a fumble machine

YO. EVERYONE.

WHY ARE WE COMPARING CURRENT ROSTERS?

WE ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHETHER ALEX SMITH HAS MORE OFFENSIVE WEAPONS IN KC THAN HE DID IN SF.

COMPARE OUR CURRENT ROSTER TO THE 2011 49ERS (SMITH'S LAST FULL SEASON)

Some of you are ****ing dense, man.

While I don't agree with you on Alex Smith (I like to see a player actually play in a new system with new personnel before I judge) the quote I believe you are looking for is this one...

When someone says "He's not so bad" ...
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nah, not like that. Honestly, if the receivers were randy moss in his prime, Cris Carter in his prime, it wouldnt of made that much of a difference. Alex Smith since he messed up his shoulder, has been garbage. It just always makes me laugh when people dont consider the fact that he had shit around him compared to Rodgers, Matt Ryan, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Eli Manning, is comical, and those guys are GREAT QBS, now you take an average qb like alex smith, put average talent around him, and your offense is going to look like dog shit. And it did.

ahh, yeah, because kaepernick is SO MEDIOCRE. Which, is why i mentioned them drafting patton, and trading for boldin, because that some how relates to alex smith right?

God you are just dumb as dog shit.

The Senior Bowl says otherwise

Who mentioned Kaepernick, moron.

All you do is come out of the woodwork every time someone calls out Alex Smith for being the pos QB he is to defend him like you're his knight in shining armor.

You're pathetic.

His own team that stood behind him for 8 ****ing years benched his ass during his best season because he a gigantic waste of ****ing time.

You always want to bring up how guys like Brady have so much better... Brady won 3 SB's with Deion Branch as his #1. Randy Moss was hot garbage on the Raiders, before joining the Patriots, his go to receivers was a slot receiver and, recently, a couple TEs.

:spock: Are you seriously? You're comparing 1 superbowl game to Alberts 5 years of NFL experience?

People just dont seem to get that, but they soon will. Anywho, Princeass Alice has been given every element of support he needs to succeed. And when he doesn't, we will find his legit replacement, and get the **** on with actually making some noise in the postseason. Ive been patient this long, I can handle another season or two while the Dorseid build a monster for our QBOTF, yes. Yes I can.
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We all will be miserable forever as long as we have a GM who drafts a right tackle 1.1 and trades for fullbacks.

I was the first to make this argument and i've made it many times.

Nobody last October when SOC first started would have been satisfied with trading two 2's for a game manager, drafting a right tackle 1.1, and trading for a fullback. It's the same wait and see bullshit every new coach has got since Marty.

The Senior Bowl suggests Fisher is a better pass blocker than Albert?

The Senior Bowl trumps the last two NFL seasons?

OK. ROFL

Let's be honest. Reids last few years in Philly were anything but a success and Dorsey wasn't making the decisions in Green Bay. It's not like the current guy is immune to failure.

And what about Rodgers? Look, the bottom line is this. Since Terrell Owens has left, the 49ers have neglected the Wide receiver position. They now under Harbs, value it, and have tried upgrading it every year. Alex Smith is not an elite qb. He has to have elite talent around him. Is that anything but fact, and how is that in anyway possible me defending alex smith?

Its not.

You're absolutely correct here.

Sure. But what have they failed at so far exactly?

Now tell me who the **** we were talking about you sack of shit.

It's not the end of the world if we have another good o-lineman! Some of you guys will find anything to bitch about. Here's another thought...if it turns out that we have too many good linemen, I'm guessing that a future trade is very possible.

the facts remain, i was never balls deep in alex smith. Never claimed him to be great. Stated the obvious. The 49ers have had shit for receivers. Care to debate that?

Or do you just want to keep sucking your own dick?

The facts remain that you are too stupid to even keep a conversation straight.

Care to argue that Alex Smith makes everyone around him worse?