was it over when the germans bombed pearl harbor?

And therefor, I'm voicing my difference of opinion upon an online message board.

I knew you'd figure it out eventually.

lol, I love how you can't handle those simple facts I pointed out. Albert is definitely the highest paid offensive lineman on your team, and as of right now, yes, he's the best LT on your team. But that doesn't change the fact that unless Albert moves to a different position on the oline (so that Fisher can move to LT) that his days in kc are numbered.

correct, Albert is the best LT on the team

god damn...the obvious is really hard for dumbasses like you

ROFL

BRANDEN ALBERT GOT RIPPED OFFF!!!

shut you vagina she she

God damnit people can we at least wait until Fisher plays a few preseason games until we assess if he's struggling?

Last year people thought Baldwin was a ****ing stud because he lit it up in camp, then when the games happened he sucked ass.

Give it some time.

like I said, kc franchised him and all that money is guaranteed. They aren't going to pay him that kind of money to be RT or LG and Albert refuses to change positions.

good lord you are stupid.

What is stupid is stunting the development at LT of the #1 overall pick because of money.

:doh!:

wait, so now you're saying he isn't...oof

have you ever even watched a football game?

meh, since Albert is gonna play LT they have to start Fisher somewhere so kc is playing him at RT which will help develop. It will get him out there playing. Besides, if Albert goes down with an injury they can always slide Fisher over to LT.

have you?

The reason we tried to trade Albert was because of $$$.

Speaking of dumbasses, I hope Jeff Ireland is ready to accept that pink slip. It was a huge mistake of him not to get Albert.
His shitty LT from Stanford is gonna get smoked this year.

I think they put their best OT's on the field for this year. not one thing stupid about that.

Poe went at #11, moron

Sometimes.

A lot of the time his lack of footwork, particularly the lack of a functional kick-step, doesn't allow him to recover. He's not very good against wide speed rushers and he is pretty bad most of the time once he gets to the second level - just has a real hard time finding his man and holding the block.

Honestly, the team would be much better off by putting him inside right now, getting Fisher over to the LT position and putting Stephenson in at RT which would basically give the two future bookends immediate experience and cohesiveness with the line as it stands.

Replacing a LG in 2014 is a much easier task than having Fisher try to learn the NFL speed at RT then shift him back over to the left side in 2014.

It should be this in 2013:
LT: Fisher
LG: Albert
C: Hudson
RG: Schwartz/Asamoah
RT: Stephenson

Then you can have either Allen or Reynolds (who I've always said would be a pretty damn good NFL LG) take the LG spot in 2014.

So, they want Albert to accept a move to guard, even while they think that he's one of the two best tackles on this team.

That sum up pretty much what you are telling us,

nah, that's all you want to hear.


Albert's highlight reels?

*Only when he's blocking for Jamaal

*you never see Albert demolishing a guy during a pass play

*His rookie season the team was a loser and he is the great and powerful LT though

*he's never sniffed Hawaii as a player

*he won't allow the staff to move him

*he wants so much cash even the free market of disparity AKA the Phins said he wants too much

*the Cards wanted Albert -- until they found out what he wants -- they changed there tune

*Albert, unless he finds some killer hot sauce, has peaked as an LT

and do you all remember how the staff had Brad Cottam helping Albert all season his rook year? **** no ya don't. Do you remember how Waters went ProBowl that year Albert was a rook? **** no ya don't.

Ya. Albert the rook sensation sandwich. shit. keep on livin in that... 2008 season. ya man'o.

I said it on draft day that the Chiefs and the Jets basically took the same positions but the Chiefs did it through free agency while the Jets did it through the draft.

The Jets got Geno Smith, Dee Milliner and Sheldon Richardson. (All of whom I would have been happy with the Chiefs first pick in the draft.)

The Chiefs got Alex Smith, Sean Smith and Mike DeVito.

As well, the Jets got an offensive tackle I the draft in Oday Aboushi that I felt was the same level as Fisher and Joeckel.

It's going to be interesting to see how this plays out for the two teams.

You are a ****ing idiot.
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It's all a bunch of bullshit.
Since coming into the league, only 3 or 4 LTs have given up fewer sacks, while protecting the blindside of the worst QB situation in the league.
That's the bottom line.

Can that play RT? > Fisher

Sacc and Buzz, two guys i actually really enjoy... except when it comes to Albert.

He must've smashed their old ladies or something, its the only thing that makes any sense, particularly when you consider he was rated #5 as a pass blocker last year.

LMAO

Holy shit, just saw this thread for the first time. LMAO

What a stupid waste of time.

You grow even dumber by the day. I'm impressed.

Not only is Albert the best tackle on the team, he is as good as any tackle in that division including that over rated one out in Pile High.

I look forward to all the Geno threads this year every time he completes a 10 yard pass.

I'll be excited to read all the Fisher praise when he does whatever sort of boring shit a RT does.

SICK BLOCK!

TD CUZ FISHER DIDNT LET THE POCKET COLLAPSE!! SWEEEEEEET.

PANCAKESSS/Lil Chefy

GET ME SOME SYRUP CUZ FISHER IS PANCAKING AND ALBERT'S GOT THE FRENCH TOAST STICKS!!!

Holy shit, I'm having an O-linegasm right now.

It's more about Alex Smith than Fisher. The Chiefs basically said Alex is better than Geno. If Alex plays well, everyone will forget about Geno.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...es-overvalued/
This is a pretty terrific article and helps explain why a bunch of RTs got drafted so early this year. Again, I am neutral on the Eric Fisher pick. But we have to be careful about using old ways of rating positional value. Right Tackles are becoming as important as Left Tackles.

What about E.J.?

We took Fisher at 1 because he was supposedly the best player available and most here liked the pick. No backing out now with the "well, he's going to take time to learn, etc".

Thats the reason he was picked first overall in the entire draft. He was the most pro ready prospect available and the best player available in the draft.

Honestly, he needs to be AT LEAST an upper half of the league RT from day 1 and depending what they do with him next year (LT or RT) a top 5 player at his position by year 3 for that to be worth the pick.

B U S T waiting to happen. Never even considered him.

Heh, good point. Yes him too. Funny, no one is talking about him.
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No shit. that guy can't throw accurate for shit.

No, he wasn't.

No one, NOT A SINGLE PERSON thought Fisher was the best LT right out of the gate.

That was Joeckel.

We picked the guy with the biggest upside...

Fisher, the first pick in the draft, has already won him over, although Fisher occasionally struggles against experienced defenders in practice. He has athletic skills similar to Joe Thomas of the Cleveland Browns, but what pleases Reid is Fisher's toughness. In his first training camp practice, Fisher badly injured two fingers on his right hand. He stayed in practice and tried to go against defenders mostly left-handed. Within a few days, he did some damage to his left hand. Those injuries have caused him to be a little inconsistent blocking, but Reid isn't concerned. Fisher is smart, talented and dedicated. With Branden Albert doing well at left tackle, the offensive line is looking solid.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp1...ise?src=mobile

Damaged Goods lol

A lot of people said prior to the draft he was better than joeckel.

I think a lot of his struggles are coming from playing RT instead of LT.

I don't like Mark Schlereth, but I did like his analogy he used at the SB to describe the Ravens moving OL around. He said it's like a right handed batter switching to the left side. It's just not easy to adapt to because your stance and technique is switched to the other side.

It's like Fisher was a dominant left handed hitter in college that is now batting right handed and playing against professionals.

I think he'll adapt though. The kid has supreme athleticism for his position and he's a hard worker with smarts. He was a goddamn engineering major for crying out loud. He'll get this shit down. He just needs practice.

Can't expect the guy to be a bust because he's struggling at a new position the first week of camp.

He was the first pick in the draft, there's no lowering expectations at this point.

The expectation should be that he can be a pro bowl calibre player. Agree with you there. I completely disagree that it makes it any less of a good pick just because he isn't a great player from day 1. He needs to learn to be good quickly, but I really don't care if he's disappointing in year 1 as long as he's great year 2 and beyond. It's not like we're winning a championship this year anyway.

This.

It's a bit of an oversimplification. Changing from lefty to righty batting or throwing is extremely difficult. Every part of your body is doing different things.

Moving from Left to Right Tackle, you're doing the same things, you just have to retrain your muscle memory to do the right things. Fisher doesn't have to be trained much to play the Right side, he just needs a very small amount of time to practice constant repetition of the muscle movements.

Just a stranger on the bus..

Will Shields switched to left tackle for a game in 1998 or 2000 or something and was ****ing perfect.

I don't give a shit. I expect Eric Fisher to be a badass this year at whatever position he plays. He was the #1 overall ****ing pick, and that demands greatness.

No excuses, or I start calling him Cartman.

If we had a rookie quarterback and he struggled everybody would be saying bust. Gotta love the double standard around here.

Slightly better than Matt Kalil last year given draft position. Similar teams as well.

Not lowering expectations. He's still gonna be a very good player, but expecting any LT to come in as a rookie and play a different position and own everyone in the first week of camp is laughable.

Kalil is way a better prospect than Fisher. Not even close.

So whats the reasonable expectation of a "prospect" of Fishers level?

Agreed.


Kalil wasn't drafted at 1.1 though. For me, if Fisher isn't comparable with Kalil's production, then he wont meet my expectations.

At RT? Start week 1 and play well. Nothing too complicated.

Was Joeckel in that category?

I agree.

Talent wise he is Bryan Bulaga type. Draft position wise says he better be Tony Boseli or Orlando Pace.

Realistically he needs to between some where in between.

I think they have thrown Joe Thomas around as a ceiling comparison. I'm more than OK with that if he gets there.

Since he was drafted ahead of Kalil position-wise, yes.

I was on the draft defense bandwagon when it became apparent we weren't going QB.

I'm sort of curious as to why they went Fisher over Joeckel. My understanding is Reid likes athletic OL is the reason but it seemed safer to go with Joeckel.

How much does that matter though? I mean the draft classes are so different. Kalil is a #1 overall talent but he was stuck in a class with 2 of the best QB prospects ever.

Yup, just like we would have drafted a QB had we been in the position last year.

Mmmm, how nice would it be to have Sheldon or Mingo on this team.

There's some really fun personnel groupings you could play with both of those guys athletic ability.

Yup you cant have enough pass rushers, especially in a pass happy league.

So then he should have rven higher expectations of playing at Kalil's level immediately?


If Kalil is clearly 1.1 talent, and fisher is a 1.1, then their productivity should he somehwat similar or at least close enough to make valid comparisons.

If we were going to take a guy based on upside I would have much rather taken a guy who, if he hit said upside, would have a higher impact in the game, like a pass rusher.

But, apparently I don't know my ass from my elbow so who knows.

Maybe you dont because we agree on this. :D

Incisors. You know them reel goodz though.

Honestly, I don't think that Fisher is on Kalil's level. Kalil is going to be the best LT in the league very soon IMO. He's just a beast and always has been.

Having said that, I think that we should expect Fisher to be a premier OT for years.

At the very least, he should be a top 10 tackle for years to come, but I think expectations should be to expect him to be top 5 or very close to that.

How in the world is he a Brian Bulaga type? Bulaga is a career right tackle. He has dinosaur arms and slow plodding feet. He's a pure mauler.

Physical abilities, there isn't a single knock on Fisher's resume. He's just a bit of an experiment because he doesn't have the experience.

He could very easily become a Joe Staley type. I'm not crazy about a Tackle at 1.1, but if he ends up like that and Geno Smith is anything short of franchise, then we did fine with this pick.

I hate to tell you this, but...

http://afcwestfootball.files.wordpre...in-houston.jpg

As much as I liked Barkevious Mingo in the draft, he isn't beating out either of these guys and you don't take a guy 1.1 to be a special teams player.

We traded for Alex Smith, so the QB position is out.
We signed Sean Smith and had Brandon Flowers. CB is out.
We picked Dontari Poe at #11 in 2012, so a DT is out.

However, we had a potential holdout or trade or other such messy situation looming with Brandon Albert, who only really had one decent year of tape who also has poor fundamentals/technique for a NFL LT and a one year guy in Stephenson and Allen as potential tackles.

Fisher's combination of size, athleticism, intelligence and work ethic made him the obvious choice once the free agency signing period was over and the Chiefs filled their holes.

One could have made an argument for Sheldon Richardson as a replacement for Glenn Dorsey, but he's more of a 43 DT anyway versus a 34 DE.

And I don't think that Fisher is going to bust. Guys with his complete package don't come around very often and despite his steeper learning curve in terms of adjusting to talent, I think that he'll be a pretty solid player by the time the season rolls around full swing.

While it's a steep comparison, his measurable, size and athleticism is similar to former Jaguar standout Tony Boselli. Being regarded as "the best player in the draft" I think that should be his ceiling or expected ceiling. (Although, I'd take a 90% Boselli if Fisher was able to play twice as long as what Boselli did.)

If there is a closer analogy, it'd be something like a three point shooter who is nails from the left side of the arch taking shots from the right side of the arch.

You're not taking the exact shot that you have totally perfected, but there is a shit ton of overlap in the skill set required for each.

The Browns are 3 deep with relatively young players in Sheard, Kruger, and Mingo. There is no way you couldn't have all three on the field for most passing personnel. Additionally, it provides elite depth and allows a transition when Tamba is done.


As for Sheldon, the majority of sub personnel alignkents feature a 3 technique. Given that ours are beyond underwhelming, it makes sense to upgrade that position with an elite 3. Richardsons athleticism allows for him to play othertechniques as well and would assist in creating exceptional personnel groupings for passing situations that are not 3rd down specific.

That career RT is the Packers' new starting LT. And not due to injury, either. That's the direction the Packers decided to go before the draft even started.

You additonally enhance your 4manbfront and require less calls that utilize secondary blitzers (DJ, Berry, Dunta). You also would have a DE who is athletic enough to drop, which opens up pure and mixed fire-zone concepts.

One could argue that Richardson is a perfect 3 technique and would have, if paired with Poe (who is having a good camp) made our DL a strength.

You could also make a case that Mingo and/or Jordan would be Hali's replacement the same way Fisher will (likely) replace Albert after this season.

It's not as if we are going to be sitting in base sets all day anyway, so the rhetoric that another pass rusher would have to play special teams only is a bit outdated.

I think you are going to see a lot of Poe at the three tech this next season with Powe at the NT. And considering that Toribio has been serviceable to solid, that's plenty of potential depth at the nose.

NT: Powe, Toribio
DE: Jackson, DeVito, Bailey, Poe

You want more than that?

Hali, due to his strict off-season training, most likely will play at this level for another 4 or 5 seasons. Houston is really a year or two from even entering his prime. Mingo, unless he's a total prodigy, would not see the field much other than subpackages and special teams and that isn't what you want from a 1.1 pick. No, taking a pass rusher early in the 2013 NFL Draft would have been a complete waste of a pick. Sure, take one, a go getter/hard worker or a boom/bust guy later and see if they pan out, which they did in Catapano, but not one at 1.1.

Whereas, with the offensive tackle position, you basically had Albert and Stephenson and that's about it. And Albert's situation was questionable leading up to and even after the draft and still is.

Fisher wasn't a sexy pick, and you know who I wanted, but I can see the necessity of drafting Eric over any other player by this team.

I love tamba but there's just no way he plays at that high level 4-5 more years. He's already showing signs of slowing.

It just depends on fisher.