Oh, I don't disagree with your bottom line. It was your argument that I felt was a little shaky. :thumb:

I think Elway was at 45ish?

The true number is 35. He was one of the best ever for sure........unless he left enough time for Montana of course.

I wasn't using them as an argument as much as I was using them as examples. There's this weird idea here that we should give a 29-year old, 8-year vet QB who purportedly knows the playbook well enough to coach it some kind of grace period to get up to speed, like this season is an evaluation and development year. When the reality is that he needs to hit the ground running. And I don't understand why anybody would expect less than that.

The ultimate goal here is to become a playoff team, and trading for Alex Smith is a move that speaks to immediacy with regards to that goal. He has one of the top RBs in the league, he has one of the top WRs in the league, he has what I think should be a quality #2 WR in Avery, he has a variety of good players at both TE and WR, all of whom are able to catch the ball. The main question, I think, is the interior offensive line, but I believe that should work out, too. So taken all together I can't see any reasonable justification for limiting expectations for this offense, or for Alex Smith. They're as loaded as any unit we've seen since the '02-05 period, and they're coached by an aggressive, offensive-minded staff. They chose him as their 'guy' and there's no reason he shouldn't be expected to perform at a very high level.

I have similar expectations for the other side of the ball, too.

This is more talented than any 2-win team has a right to be. Due in no small part to the circumstances that led directly to them winning only 2 games last year (i.e. coaching and QB play). They should be in the playoff picture by the season's end, although I don't expect them to quite make it.

Mark Sanchez had 11 in his first 3 years in the league. Marinate on that for a bit.

Oh, Alex will be ready. The only question is, will the receivers know their roles in every play, audible, and hot route? Will the OL know who to block in various situations?

Alex will know and do his job. It's really up to everyone else, in determining how far KC gets. He is a QB that will need help... not perfection from others... but help. He may not be that dynamic QB that can make shit happen when everything around falls apart. So if the team around him doesn't fall apart and plays their role? KC will do lots of good.

Well to be fair, Gannon had HOF talent in Oakland. Smith does not have that here. Not to mention the expectations of Gannon to perform well there were slim to none. Basically Gruden was playing a crapshoot. Unlike with Smith who was brought from a Superbowl contending team of which he was a starter.

Apples and oranges.

Go back to your whining fail 49er board and go whine about Alex Smith over there like a dumb fail whining troll hiding in his fail cave. NO ONE CARES. ROFL ROFL ROFL

Oh NM, Alex Smith isn't on your team anymore you got NO PLACE to whine in 49er land now ROFL ROFL ROFL

You MAD the 49er WR CROP STILL FAILS??? ROFL ROFL ROFL You can go WHINE about that now!!! ROFL ROFL ROFL

The 9ers signing SeaC0ck reject Chris Harper to a three-year contract and trading off Cam Johnson really tells you something doesn't it whiner??? ROFL ROFL ROFL

THE 49ERS WR CROP FAILS AGAIN. ONE OF THOSE WR ON THE 53 MAN ROSTER WILL BE CUT (IF AND WHEN MANNINGHAM <<< will fail OR CRABTREE <<< might not even come back this season EVEN COMES BACK), COULD BE THAT PROVEN BUST JON BALDWIN (THE BUST THAT YOU GUYS WASTED AJ JENKINS ON), CAUSE THAT'S HOW FAIL THE WR CROP IS, THEY ARE SO DESPERATE TRYING TO FIND SOMEONE TO HELP TAKE PRESSURE OFF BOLDIN THEY ARE PICKING UP REJECTS FROM THE SEADICKS lol rofl lmao ROFL ROFL ROFL

Oh BTW whiner, YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO COME BACK HERE WEEK IN WEEK OUT THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE SEASON WHEN THE 9ERS LOSE WITH CAPTAIN KAPERNOOB AND THE CHIEFS WIN WITH GENERAL ALEX SMITH, SO I CAN KEEP LAUGHING AT YOUR FORTY WHINER WHINING FAIL AZZ
ROFL ROFL ROFL!!!

AND TRUST ME, I'LL BE WATCHING BOTH TEAMS, CAN'T WAIT FOR THE SHOW TO BEGIN ROFL ROFL ROFL HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAA!!!

CAPTAIN KAPERNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOB OH YAY!!!!! CAPTAIN KAPERNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOB OH YAY!!!!! HARB WANTS KAPERNOOOOOOOB TO TAKE OVER, GO AHEAD, LET'S SEE WHAT YOU GOT CAPTAIN KAPERNOOOOOOOB COME ON BRING IT WITH THAT STILL FAILED WR CROP, YOU GOING NO WHERE WITH THAT FAIL SH1T LOL!!! LOL IT'S GOING TO BE GOOD TEST FOR YOU KAPERNOOB LOL, ESPECIALLY AFTER FAILING ALL THE WAY TO THE END OF THE SUPER BOWL ROFL ROFL ROFL

EVERYTIME KAPNOOB FAILS THROWING AN INT OR GET DROPPED TRYING TO RUN THAT QB OPTION NONSENSE THAT EVERYONE AND THEIR GRAND MOM KNOWS BY NOW, I'LL BE CHANTING "CAPTAIN KAPERNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOB OH YAY!!!!!" "CAPTAIN KAPERNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOB OH YAY!!!!!" "CAPTAIN KAPERNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOB OH YAY!!!!!"
ROFL ROFL ROFL!!!

GOT THAT SUNDAY TICKET READY TO GO, GOT THAT FOR FREE TOO ROFL TIME TO WATCH CAPTAIN KAPERNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOB FAIL!!! HE BETTER STEP UP, HE LUCKY HE GOT THAT ROLE NOW, HE GOT ALL THE PUBLICITY HE WANTED, NOW SHOWS US WHAT YOU CAN DO WITH THAT FAIL WR CROP, GO AHEAD CAPTAIN KAPERNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOB!!! SHOW US YOU EARN THAT NEXT BIG CONTRACT! JUST DON'T FAIL CAUSE I'LL BE HERE AND ALL OVER THE NET READY TO MAKE FUN OF HARB AND CAPTAIN KAPERNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOB ROFL ROFL ROFL!!!

Somebody seems upset.

CYBER-DOUCHE ALERT
http://s0.thejournal.ie/media/2013/07/siren.gif

LOL Kapercrap better win that game this weekend, easy azz game vs the weak azz fartkers ROFL

Alex Smith got it easy vs Jags so if KaperNOOB fails I'm laugh SO HARD ALL OVER THE NET. ROFL ROFL ROFL

Go do some more ESPN Naked cover, maybe that will help your fail WR CROP more HAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!!!!!

THAT WILLZ BE TEH AWESOMEST, DUDE!

Lay off the crack yet? ROFL ROFL ROFL

Well, that's one way to burn down a thread.

Can we just ban the 49er trolls.

You want to end that sentence with a "?"

If you want to troll grammer, you might want to properly punctuate your post as well.

I just don't know if there were enough emoticons posted for me to understand how that guy feels.

I didn't realize that there was any ANTI-KAEPERNICK fans. Seems pretty silly to hate on any one player....unless they were just some sort of horrible human being in general.

No. Just insane.

Pretty much every body I know who is not a 49ers fan, thinks hes an arrogant prick.

The hat thing didn't help anything. But, most of my non 49er fans friends hate harbaugh just as much.

Sometimes the ban-hammer is the merciful, humane option.

But then the hall of fame forum would be empty.

That punk couldn't clean the toilets in the hall of fame.

Please Go away.

PLEAROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLSEROFLROFL!!!

For the 49er fans, Kapnoob already failed the SB. He didn't do crap in the 1st half of the SB, failed at the end of the SB, he failed 2x vs Rams and got raped in Seattle.

He took over a SB caliber team that's already coach up and was 13-3 with Alex Smith in 2011, he's like that lucky dog Arron Rodgers taking over a great team when Favre was traded to the Jets in 2008 (FYI Packers were also 13-3 the previous season in 2007 with Favre and also lost in the NFC championship to the NY Giants by 3 pts in overtime EXACTLY like the 9ers did in 2011's NFC Championship and who eventually won the SB vs the Pats, which was the same result in 2011 after they beat the 9ers.)

For given such a great opportunity, Kap has already failed 1 opportunity to win a SB, that means he has to win at least 2 SBs before it's all say and done until anyone will consider him worthy of that opportunity that was given to him and cause the 49ers STILL have a FAILED WR CROP, it won't happen any time soon.

For Harb and Baalke to fail at improving the 49er WR Crop since there is only 2 players left on the 53 man roster from the 2012 draft and only one of those player is really going to contribute but not by much, they have fail miserably at one of the biggest problem with the team. ROFL

I'm pretty sure Rogers was 6-10 in his first full year as a starter.

The art of TROLLING requires sufficient subtlety to bait others into arguing. It's in the wrist. You are trolling with a 10 pound sinker. You won't catch any catfish that way.

Don't respond to my post then, none of your post is worth a peek, not even a blink ROFL

He sucks. He's nothing more than a systems QB. Without a o-line and a good defense he can't carry his team to wins or another SB.

Remember what Matt Flynn did that 1 game before he left? Flynn broke all Packers record with that offense (That includes Favre and Rodgers!!!).

Where has Flynn been since? Failed in Seattle and now Fail in Oakland.

Can Arron Rodger do anything if he was traded to a crap team?
Not much LOL he would be getting sacked as much as he is now in with the packers
ROFL ROFL ROFL!!!

This is like...the worst troll attempt I've ever seen.

You have to set people up, you silly ****. Constraint theory.

KapNOOB is not worthy until he wins at least 2 SBs LOL GL waiting for that especially with the seadicks in the division! ROFL

Hey don't read it, if you can't hang ROFL ROFL ROFL

Nobody forcing you to come to this thread and refresh to see what I posted new ROFL ROFL ROFL

You act like this thread was something significant to begin with ROFL "Alex Smith vs Rich Gannon" lol rofl LMFAO ROFL ROFL ROFL... Noob azz threads ROFL

You came here to read my posts, cause their 10000000x better than yours or what you can ever come up with. ROFL!!!

It's just not quality work.


Practice.

Holy shit dude

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you piece of shit

Alex averaged 22 attempts per game. We seen him throw 24 his last game and he had 158 yards in a half. I definitely see his attempts per game going up to at least 30. Thus his stats will be much more improved in yardage in which every one goes balls deep about because that's the only thing that makes a QB.

More attempts more yardage. 22 attempts less yardage than others throwing 30+. It's pretty damn simple math but nobody seems to get it. They expect 40000 yards on 22 attempts per game.

You're dumb. I am ignore you now ROFL

Have you been hiding out in Royals threads? I never see you anymore.

Yeah pretty much. I love to read people going back and forth in Chiefs threads, much more active during the season though of course.

Shogun also added to ignore list ROFL

Soooooooooo funny man. Really, reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaly captivating stuff you're coming up with.

It's getting ridiculous. I'm wanting to take a break.

Maybe he'll ignore everyone and just communicate with himself?

LOL if Alex Smith makes the pro-bowl with Andy Reid that would make Jim Harb look really bad ROFL

Harb hand cuffed Alex Smith and over used the power running game as well as playing conservative in the red zone, while Reid will definitely implement more screens and short passes that Alex Smith excel with. Alex Smith will have no problem making the pro-bowl when he hits close to 4000 yds, plenty of TDs, still stay at a high 65%+ comp and taking the Chiefs to the play-offs.

Coming from a KapNOOB jock sniffer, I'll take that as more pathetic whining cause given the opportunity he FAILED in the SB ROFL!!!

Keep it up!!! It's a long season, we'll have plenty of chances to laugh at you when Capt KapNOOB Fails ROFL ROFL ROFL

Quittripping is the dumbest poster I have ever seen.

Ever.

Would you care to instigate the voting process?

Post your nonsense 1 more time, I'll put you on my ignore list.

Your choice ROFL ROFL ROFL

Was having fun playing a doofus like you, now I am bored of you and your ignorance.

Alex Smith is dumber than you, and that's saying something.

Good. Ignored. Have a nice useless worthless life loser. ROFL ROFL ROFL

Victory!

I'm just going to assume this is Hootie.

No.

Not even Hootie is this reeruned. It is impossible.

I'd recommend the post from with dozens of ROFLs.

It's creepy in a way that I've yet to see here.

The fact that it has to be pointed out to you proves how far off you are on this.

My response to your foolishness is quoted below.

Lastly - Thank you for adding evidence to back me up.

Mike Lupica, New York Daily News
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/fo...icle-1.1442793

Ernie Accorsi's scouting report:
http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2012/02...Big+Picture%29

Dylan LOL. I cant stop laughing ROFL

“Two things set him apart: his left testicle and his right testicle.

:D

When it comes to Eli Manning, you better be accurate.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/fo...icle-1.1004253

Can Tim Brown still play?

I don't even give a shit about the NFCGG any longer, but Eli was remarkably lucky to have not thrown TWO easy interceptions in that game that would have buried his team. Both throws were right to DBs that essentially collided and screwed up the picks all by themselves. Eli also had far better weaponry in that game, and couldn't manage to do jack shit in the 2nd half. Talk about a QB carried to the SB thanks to ferocious defense, luck, and Kyle Williams turning the ball over multiple times... and on the short field. Eli has his moments of magic in his career, to be sure... but if talking about that NFCCG? Hahahaha... that mutha had huge tidal waves of good fortune carrying his ass.

UGH........don't remind me

*Mac-NinersChiefs:

Perhaps someday you will make a coherent, articulate, and well-reasoned post in response to a New York Daily News story. Sadly, that day is not today.

Here is what you fail to realize:

NY Giants, QB Eli Manning - 2 Super Bowl appearances, 2 Super Bowl wins!
49ers, QB Colin Kaepernick - 1 Super Bowl appearance, 0 Super Bowl wins!


*I fully do not understand the reluctance to hitch your wagon to San Francisco 49ers or Kansas City Chiefs.

What? There is no reluctance.

My wagon is firmly and unequivocally hitched to the San Francisco 49ers.

However, there is nothing wrong with taking a close interest and appreciation for what the Chiefs are building. There isn't an aspect of that team that I dislike... and I will enjoy watching KC when my 49ers are not playing in the same time-slot... which is 12-13 games.

*Mac-NinersChiefs:

I am truly at a loss on how to deal with your insecurity.

With that said, I will move on.

Oh, well played... leave it vague, and scamper off as if you made some grand point? What insecurity, muther****er? Are you high, reeruned, or just trolling best you can?

The Motto of the British SAS, Special Air Services, was "Who Dares, Wins".

I bash Eli as inconsistent. No doubt he hurts his team with foolhardy play from time to time ala Brett Favre. Yet, he has 2 super bowl rings. Why would have have 2 super bowl rings despite 2 terrible throws that BOTH SHOULD HAVE BEEN intercepted.

Yes, Eli had good fortune in his wins, just like he cost his teams the chance to advance to super bowls when his gambling failed.

Because, "who dares, wins".

In other words, winners take the appropriate risk at the appropriate time. The risk averse tend to be losers because they don't boldly reach for the brass ring, but play it safe all the way through.

Eli is foolhardy at times, which is why I do not consider him elite, yet his gambling nature paid off with 2 super bowl victories.

Alex's cautious nature precludes that. I would rather have a sound mind in Brady or Rodgers, than a gambler like Eli or Favre. But all of them gave their teams a better chance for championships than a cautious player like Alex.

So Alex didn't have a bold and remarkable NFCCG vs the Giants. It happens. Many a better and more daring QBs have failed before in big games. Alex hasn't played enough games in the last couple years that required him to step up and be daring... but let's play this game. What we easily know...

Alex +1 on the Saints playoff win. Most agree with that.
Alex -1 on the Giants playoff loss. (almost worked, but Kyle Williams ****ed us)

@ Cincy 2011 - two 4th quarter drives for 10 points to separate and take the W.

@ Philly 2011 - TD drive in 4th quarter to take back the lead for good... W.

@ TB 2011 - Alex threw 3 TDs and SF beat them fools 41-3. Alex sat most of the 4th quarter in the blowout.

@ Detroit 2011 - Alex hits Walker for the 4th quarter TD to get the W.

@ NYG 2011 - 4th quarter TD pass to separate by 7 and the D holds off the rest.

@ AZ 2011 - two 2nd half TDs to separate for easy win.

Not even going to go on... there were games that Alex didn't or couldn't do enough to help his team win.. The loss @ Baltimore stands out. The 2012 losses @ Minnesota and @ NYG stands out.

... but this whole, "he refuses to take any risks" bullshit is ridiculous. He should have taken more risks in that Giants playoff game... but who could imagine that Kyle Williams would piss the game away like that? time and again.

Those are all exceptions that prove the rule.

My greater point is that even an inconsistent passer like Eli can still get to and win super bowls, because sometimes their gambles pay off. Yes, sometimes they kill you, but sometimes they get lucky and their gambles pay off. Eli got lucky when the 49ers dropped 2 easy interceptions, yet his gambling eventually paid off and got him a 2nd ring.

Well, I wouldn't go that far.

Eli had two dropped picks, one of them which led to both Goldson and Tarrell Brown being off the field when Eli threw the td to manningham after the ball off the knee.

There was everything that went right for the Giants that went wrong for the 49ers.

I cant remember the 49er who said it, but, the best team didn't win that day.