And let's not pretend PCs are perfect either…

There are valid reasons to own BOTH actually.

Now I'm logging off to play Rome Total War on my Mac.

Let me know how that works out when Sony stops making games for the PS3 and you have to upgrade to a PS4 to keep gaming on a console.

I'd much rather pay an extra $250 upfront and build something like http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2AZqn than buy a PS4 or Xbone.

If you can afford to spend that extra money upfront, there really is no reason to own both unless there are exclusives you just absolutely must play, but there's usually much better alternatives that are similar to that game on PC.

I agree

I actually own both a PC that I play a ton of games on and a ps3 that I play games that don't come out on pc on. Like Madden the show. Owning both is a great way to go.

I paid 300 bucks, had my ps3 for 4 years until I just bought my Ps4 for 400 bucks. I would say 700 bucks for a minimum of 7-8 years of gaming, is a pretty great deal.

Well XP was released 13 years ago. So yeah, things have changed a bit.

I haven't upgraded video card drivers in over a year. I've been PC gaming for over 20 years, and I've never heard anyone who considered upgrading drivers to be a serious drawback to PC gaming. You're being overdramatic.

Could spend that much money to just build a computer that will last just as long, with room to upgrade in the future, and have the benefits of cheaper/free games, that offer a better gaming experience, and not have to buy a computer.

Swap out that motherboard in that build I linked for http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130637 and you've got a computer that can sli/crossfire in 8/8. You will not beat that on a console in the next decade and you wont save more money on the console over that timespan.

It also served as my blue ray player, and streaming device for my amazon prime subscription, as well as watching NFL Sunday ticket.

Because thats not possible on a computer?

Not saying it isn't, but isn't a Blue Ray player an extra money option, especially back in 2008?

You can get a Blue Ray drive for $30 more than just your standard optical drive if you wanted to get one.

At the end of the day, with cost over time being comparable over a 7-8 year stretch, playing on a console is just more preferable. I prefer the UI, the exclusives that come to consoles, the fact none of my friends play on PC, the obscurity of trying to piece together a machine just so you don't end up paying over 1,000 bucks for a top of the line PC that has more detail in graphics. Bf4 on my PS4 plays at 60 FPS, and looks great. Having more detail on rocks or blades of grass won't change my experience, and again, the UI of console features is going to be more intuitive( I.e. Setting up PS4 party chat vs Ventrillo). Both are great in their own respects.

In cost over time PC wins dramatically. It is only the up front cost tha tis lower on a console.

Your ps4 plays bf4 on medium settings, at 720p (****ING LOL) at 60 fps. You dont think you could build a PC for that money that could do better? Oh yes, yes, you can. For the same dollar amount!

Other arguments such as OMG DRIVERS and OMG PS4 PARTY CHAT EASIER THAN VOICE COMM PROGRAM are intellectually dishonest, because you are talking about SECONDS of time difference, for far, far, far, MORE functionality.

No shit?
http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/19cg.../ku-xlarge.gif

wow. no shit.

Just upgraded my PC for the cost of a PS4. i5-4670k and mobo. Excited to finally be able to play CPU intensive games I've had to run at horrible settings with low FPS before.

My God...

You have no idea how good it feels to go from barely passing minimum requirements to passing recommended settings on every game on Can I Run It.

I plan on buying a PS4 anyway.

And if your argument hinges on saying "you don't really want to play game X - there's a game just like it on PC that's better" you don't have much of an argument.

The simple fact is that there are games that only exist on console and some that only exist on PC. If I want to play all of them, and not just some cheap facsimile, I should own both.

And I do own both.

How about this then?

Diablo 3, which I have played on PC and console, is flat out SUPERIOR on console.

Since when did PC gamers become such bigots? When they started to feel like they're pastime was dying?

I dont?

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...0&postcount=30

Looks like a better argument than someone who thinks upgrading a driver is some mind twisting experience that only a Ph.D. can figure out, and PC games crashing is some every day occurrence that prevents a person from ever actually playing a game.

That's ok.

By the time Diablo 3 was released on console no one gave a **** about it because it was the biggest pos hack'n'slash to come out in a long time.

People on PC just moved on to PoE. How's that compare on console?

ROFL

So butthurt. Threatened much?

Why do you think it's flat out superior?

Well, if you knew anything about D3, they totally ****ed it up. Then, for console release they decided to try an experiment. Everything in the console version is INFERIOR except for the loot 2.0 rules. In fact, console would never have worked in the original D3 loot model because of limitations of consoles/online functionality. So yes, the experiment worked, and the PC version will be similar starting in April. And the reason it is superior is because of gameplay design decisions, and not that 'console rocks man!'


And pastime dying? You have got to be kidding me! No, its because people have been writing that line for the past 10 years while PC has gained more market share, and is plain better, yet we have to listen to people don't know what they are talking about take potshots at us~ Kind of like preachers shitting on scientists. The reality is, the people saying 'your pastime is dying' and OMG CONSOLES ARE BETTER, really just don't.have.a.clue.

On top of that, you came in the thread, what did you expect? Thread title explains it all. I started this thread so that people wouldn't shit in the console threads, and have for the most part, done that. So don't be so mad.

You have it all wrong, that is the console players argument, that they have 5 exclusives per year that PC doesn't. What you are thinking of is the retort for that, that PC has hundreds or thousands of exclusives every year that console does not have, as a counter-point. This does not concede all of the other valid reasons why PC gaming is better.

Re-read the thread. The ONLY argument that console has is that you can pop the game in like a zombie then play, and that takes less time then installing a PC game and pressing play. :/ once you are past initial setup, it is all the same. GG Console, you saved 5 minutes of time all while stripping all peripheral functionality, on overpriced, outdated hardware, which in its own right, IS A ****ING PC!

LOL!

Ill just put this here...

http://www.kdramastars.com/articles/...vs-console.htm

read the full article for the breakdown of why its faster (more than twice as fast)

Funny, you can build a purpose built gaming machine for the same amount as a new console, that performs better. WHO KNEW? Oh, me. That's who~

The control scheme is smoother, the right analog stick "dodge" doesn't even exist on PC…

No AH, Loot 2.0…

The only thing PC has is better graphics, which for an isometric game like Diablo really isn't anything special.

Again, I have both. I play both.

You guys are hilarious though.

I didn't like D3 at all, despite loving the first 2. So I'm not arguing, I was just curious.

But regarding control scheme, you can configure your controls however you want on PC. You can even plug in a console controller if you want.

Again, has nothing to do with the hardware, the console version was just a beta test.

My brother told me about this game called Star Citizen that sounds awesome I've yet to watch any videos, but it sounds like something I can get into.

PCs are doing it so wrong that consoles are trying more and more to be like a true pc.

Shame they will never get there because the whole idea behind a console is flawed. You can't mass produce a customized system built around certain components with current gen technology which is why out of the box a console is already 2 years behind.

You can, but the dodge/roll simply doesn't exist in the PC game (unless they've since patched it in).

Way to take one part of my post out of context and try to use it to support your case.

I'm still just laughing at how defensive you are. What a hoot!

Not since, but will.

Continue trying to convince us that a mcdonalds cheeseburger meal is better than a nice homecooked steak

I dont need to support a case. The case has already been closed. Only the technologically challenged believe that consoles are actually worth the money, such as yourself. You haven't said a single thing that lies inside the confines of reality.

PC has much better controls then a console.


For the 11tybillionth time, mouse aiming completely owns

The only problem I have with the Console fans argument is that their cost of PC gaming is greatly exaggerated. You can get a very good gaming PC for about the price of a console

I myself enjoy both worlds

For all of this talk about how cheap it is to build this so called 400 dollar gaming computer that would trash a console, I'd be curious to actually see some linkage to this (apologize if I missed it in the thread.)

I don't know about that, but my 600$ build (including monitor, speakers...everything, not just the guts) from 2ish years ago looks so far like it will be able to run everything the next generation is going to throw at it. Of course I'm not interested in maxing games out.. even running stuff on minimum settings is fine for me.

I did take advantage of a couple nice sales, though.

600 bucks is pretty feasible, and I would completely understand going that route. Hell if they ever put out a steam machine that is 500 bucks, and doesn't get owned by the current consoles or is the same as, which the 500 dollar option is, I would consider that. Putting together a computer doesn't appeal to me like some, but I do see the value in saving but by putting one together.

I don't think I would go the steam machine route, personally. Given the whole SteamOS thing, I don't think it would be particularly useful beyond gaming. I think, if you were considering that, you would be much better off just buying a console.

That and you can hook any gaming pad you want to a PC.

I have a little USB dongle that let's me use an Xbox controller on my PC for certain games all the time.

PC = any control interface you want
Console = single brand specific controller

Little low on your dollar amount.

Raise it to $500-600 and you can start. You are immediately going to tack on $60 to the price of a console if you plan on doing anything online.

I can't even remember the equivalent GPU inside the "next gen" consoles by iirc its a 77XX. You can easily build a PC with more HD space, with dedicated CPU/GPU that uses a 660/r9 270+ in the 500-600 range.

If you look through the thread there are several examples, including about 4 posts back on the cyberpower steam machine. Also, you can typically spend 5 or 600 to have a much more powerful machine upfront, and you make up your money in the extremely low cost of use in a PC compared to a console. Every time you buy a console game, that same PC game is somewhere between 10 and 55 dollars cheaper for the same game. So, if you match console game for game, you are getting your money back and then leaving the high priced console games in the wake of the savings explosion that is PC gaming.

Really, if you go back and read the thread, you can see that the console is really a marketing ploy to sell underpowered PC hardware, with proprietary software that keeps the user locked into the mother company for large chunks of time.

And when comparing upgrading from a ps3 to a ps4 to computer to a computer, with the computer, you gain the option of reusing components you already have.

So lets say you keep your case and psu, that's $100 in savings right there.

I feel like if you are big on mmorpg games pc is for you. If not, pc severely limits your choices.

A game I want to play is the new Tom Clancy, and pc players had to sign a petition to get the game to come to their platform. It's just nice knowing the games you want to play will without a doubt come to console. Pc, not so much.

I feel like you dont have a clue what you are talking about.

But we knew that long ago.

How are those game mods coming on console? Oh right...

Here we go again. I have both. If you resell your console games it's not even really close.

End of the price debate.

Do you own both? No. So how would you know?

Once again, claiming exclusives is a two way street.

Many games I want to play NEVER see a console. In fact, pc has tenfolds of exclusives compared to consoles.

Invalid argument.

How is the hacking on PC?

I played MW 2 yesterday and the hacking was so bad on pc I had to quit.

Your argument for selling console games is reeruned.

Spend $60 on a game, sell for $40. Loss of $20.

Buy steam sale game for $10. Loss of $10.

And I'm not even counting the free equivalent to a brand new game a PC is comped every ****ing year.

Uncharted, Last of Us, UFC, Fight Night, Metal Gear Solid etc..

What kind of games do you play?

No one resells console games and gets shit for it.

Even if you do, it is still not even close im compariosn. You are just wrong dude.

It is as if you are a young earth creationist telling Dawkins and NDG how you know the earth is 6000 years old. You don't even realize how bad you sound talking to someone who actually knows shit :/

That's what I mean. For PC to come even close to a console in price range (but still loses) you would have to wait and wait for a game's price to drop. Even then if I resell my game then we are even. Only on console you can play a new release right away instead of waiting months and months on pc for the price to drop.

So you named 6 games?

Do you really need me to run down a list of games? cmon bro.

You don't have to wait and wait for games you idiot. You can find deals in a couple months. Hell, there are deals you can find on ****ing day 1.

You are beyond reeruned.

I bet you have 1 game right now on console, because, clearly, you buy them brand new and then resell all of them.

I only buy one or two games a year and get the rest from Gamefly (and now PS+).

You can do it on PC too. No one is stopping you. Put that with the fact that most PC games are 10-20$ cheaper than console counterparts when released.

And quit with your i can resell my games shit. You get 5 bucks for a 60 or 70 dollar game, and most console games NEVER get resold.

I just sold GTA 5, a game that was released 4 months ago for 45.

You don't even have to wait for the price drop for some pc games they start out cheaper. NBA 2k14 30$ day 1 pc 60$ console. Same game except next gen

only really 2 reasons to use a console

convenience - You can buy a single item and plug it into your t.v. in any room, break out the wireless controllers and internet connection and you are off and running. Very simple and compact with very few wires. Convenient multiplayer setup.

specific game titles - certain games are paid to be single platform only


The rest is crap

I heard the PS4 version of NBA 2K14 is actually better than the PC version because they didn't make a "next gen" version for the PC and just ported the 360/PS3 version over to the PC.

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Your right actually, nba 2k14 is on PC is the same basic game is the previous gen 2k13, however his point stands. 2k games are always 30 bucks cheaper on PC regardless, last year's at the time, 'current gen' 2k13 was released at 29.99 when the 360 released at 60.


Couple that with the fact the next gen 2k14 bombed and is a micro transaction grindfest that people are pissed about.

Neither of those problems are the fault of the respective hardware platforms though, its not like even the most basic gamingg PC couldn't run the 'next gen' version of 2k14.

46 bucks with 8 hours left:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dead-Rising-...item19e7432d3d

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Battlefield-...item35d0da0311

2k could be a 360 port until development for 360/ps3 stops. Not saying it will be, but it's possible.

So if we directly compare a game like Battlefield 4, by reselling I would save about 10-15, possibly 20 bucks or so with console compared to pc.

Are we all paying attention here?

sadly I think it will be. Either that or the price for the PC NBA 2k will go up. I don't see them giving us a nex gen nba2k with the current price.

Did you even listen to your own video link?


He admits console is a piece of shit, but is forced to use it because developers wont give PC the love it deserves.

Why you ask? Its because Consoles make more money for developers. Not because they are better.

And why do consoles make developers more money than PC? Well, let me say this for the fortieth time.

CONSOLES ARE SHITTY PCS THAT HAVE SOFTWARE WHICH PIGEONHOLES YOU INTO BUYING HIGH PRICED GAMES, GETTING MICROTRANSACTED, AND CONTROLLING EVERY ASPECT OF USER EXPERIENCE IN ORDER TO GENERATE REVENUE IN A MARKET WHICH YOU HAVE NO ALTERNATIVES.


And as long as they have people BUYING INTO that business model, they will continue to do so.

Good thing its a SHRINKING market, and only plebs fall victim too it. I could give a shit about sports games. Ill stick with every other thing done better.

By the way, even if it is 29.99 on pc and I buy the console version for 60 and resell it for what it is going for on ebay I still save around 5-10 bucks.

Here is the 360 version for 31 bucks with 9 hours to go:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NBA-2K14-XBO...item2334b62ed2


Now we can finally put this to rest.

Did you really just link a brand new game and a buy it now price as an argument?

Did you really just do that?

You have got to be the dumbest mother ****er on earth.

Except your making shit up.

I looked up some prices of what console games bring in resale.

THE NEWEST BRAND NEW GAMES, are bringing 5-20$

you payed 60 bucks for that piece of shit. PC gamers bought it on black friday for 20 bucks.

And, again, the vast majority of console games NEVER get resold, or only do when they bring 1.50 at gamestop.

edit: also, go ahead and take out 13% ebay fee and 5 bucks shipping, plus 3% paypal fee.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Battlefield-...item20de2953a6

Oh look... another buy it now price.

BTW I just resold some of my PC parts bringing in NET (after fees and shit, ya now, since im not trying to inflate shit) that I payed approx 500 for new, and received 330 back, after using them for 1.5 years.

You might have some links that say it's a shrinking market or whatever but the PS4 just had the most successful console launch in history. Console gaming isn't going away anytime soon, and if it does, so will the PC because of handheld gaming on your phone/Ipad/whatever.

I don't really care about what the PC offers, I like the convenience of the console and I like playing the exclusives that come to consoles.

I only buy one or two games a year, so sales and stuff don't mean much to me. Really the only games I do buy are shooters and I wouldn't want to be at a disadvantage because the guy who killed me spent more money on his PC than I did or is hacking or some shit.

Bro, your linking what people are ASKING for games, not getting for the. You forgot to take out the paypal fees, ebay fees, and shipping for what you would actually get, in the hypothetical situation where someone actually buys your used game, which hasn't happened yet in any of those links.