If he does, the Chiefs are pretty much ****ed.

At least he spends the money. One of the many frustrating things about Pioli is that we always had tons of cap space and yet he wouldn't spend the money to fill any of the many holes we had.

Not really.

I hope the don't extend AS right away. I hope they get some other pieces in place and worry about the extension later.

Hopefully getting someone to explain to Andy Reid about situational football and when to run the ball.

ROFL

I am optimistic, but that isn't what is fueling my thought process.

It's all about risk-reward.

You really think a 3 year 54m deal would **** the chiefs?

If he gets a Cutler-like contract, that's not balanced risk vs. reward.

He will if you wait a year and he blows up.

Cutler's contract didn't contain a signing bonus. His base salary for next year is 22.5M.

So yeah, I do.

Did you really just essentially post, "He was right except where he was wrong?"

You're a bigger ****ing idiot than I realized. I knew you were a damn troll, but this is bad even for you.

I don't see Cutler and Alex as the same. Alex gave money back to Cryner's.

I think he wants to Win and he wants to win in KC, after all they gave him his big second chance. He is going to demand a huge contract.

He strikes as the guy with something to prove.

http://overthecap.com/cap.php?Name=J...QB&Team=Ravens

Just do a deal like this.

Flacco cap number first 3 years of deal

1.6.8M
2.14.8M
3.14.5M


Year 4 the Ravens can get out of the deal and save 2.7m vs the cap.

That's definitely something that gives me hope. I don't think Smith is the kind of guy that will even ask for a contract that will hamstring the rest of the team.

You should have brought this one up first. Cutler's deal is HORRIBLE.

You mean because it's Cutler's deal or the actual deal.

I would go with both. LMAO

Absolutely both.

I would argue nobody is worth 1/5 of the cap, maybe not even Brady or Manning. Brady has been to the Super Bowl, but hasn't won one, since he signed his 2nd contract, primarily because he doesn't have a good enough supporting cast on defense.

That being said, NO WAY is Cutler worth it. I'd take Alex Smith over Cutler.

Lets see. The Browns are a BLACK HOLE, and Jeff Garcia was shit with the Browns, shit with the Lions, played really well with the Eagles, and had moderate success with the Buccs.

So again dumbass.

He was 100 percent spot on with his evaluation of the Browns, with the exception of saying Warner played there. And you, always with the ****ing derogatory inflammatory comments.

So eat a bucket of Aids bitch boy.

So, when someone says, with the exception of the obvious error of Warner, when the rest of his POST is 100 percent correct, that makes him an idiot, and you the king of the virtual world?

There is nothing TROLL about me. Its always cute that when I don't take someones side, they get all ass hurt, and go, TROLL TROLL TROLL.

Do you even know what the definition of a ****ing troll is you turd?

According to Blob Gretz, Gray slowed because he lost the ball looking up into the dome roof lights.

No hes not.

Not even close.

One, he doesn't deserve it, and let me make clear why.

I don't think really any player deserves that much of a teams salary.

Its a team game. And the teams that have locked up these qbs with these contracts, haven't won shit since they did.

Not Brees, not Brady, not Peyton, not Flacco.

They have to sacrifice too much of the team to do it.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Chiefs&amp;src=hash">#Chiefs</a> will try to extend contract of QB Alex Smith this offseason: <a href="http://t.co/9nFcRRJ954">http://t.co/9nFcRRJ954</a></p>&mdash; Jason Cole (@JasonPhilCole) <a href="https://twitter.com/JasonPhilCole/statuses/421011562745196545">January 8, 2014</a></blockquote>
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He's been money the last 2 off season about the Chiefs

The Kansas City Chiefs will try to extend the contract of quarterback Alex Smith this offseason be-fore he begins the final year of his current deal, a source said Wednesday.

Smith led the Chiefs as they went from 2-14 in 2012 to an 11-5 record and playoff appearance this season. He has one year left on a three-year deal he signed in 2012. The final year is worth $7.5 million, all of that in base salary, making Smith vastly underpaid compared to other quarter-backs of his experience and ability.

For example, Jay Cutler signed a seven-year, $126.7 million contract last week with Chicago. That deal included $54 million guaranteed in the first three years.

Smith finished the season a quarterback rating of 89.1, the third best of his nine-year career. In addition, Smith has helped the Chiefs and San Francisco to a 30-9-1 record in his regular-season starts over the past three years. Those teams have made the playoffs each season, although Smith was replaced by Colin Kaepernick in San Francisco midway through last season.

This is good news.

I have no doubt they are going to sign him to a big extension, none. In fact, I had no doubt when they traded for him.

Using Chicago as a standard is pretty poor though. Smith is probably as good as we are ever going to get.

I can live with it. At least we're all in to win now. Good for the guys in their prime

I have no doubt he is not the best QB in the NFL.
I think he has some potential.

But after this last game how many teams would consider him as an option?

Good news. I'm sold on Alex now.

Depending on how teams draft this offseason, but right off the top of my head Im thinking, the Vikings, The Browns, The Raiders, JAX, St Louis (depending on Bradfords recovery), WAS if RG3 continues to suck, Houston (Altho Im sure theyll defintely go Qb in draft), Tenn and Im sure a few more.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Well, Jason Cole was guessing, but he said &quot;6 years, 17 or 17.5 million a year&quot; when I asked what contract Alex Smith will sign. <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Chiefs&amp;src=hash">#Chiefs</a></p>&mdash; Danny Parkins (@DannyParkins) <a href="https://twitter.com/DannyParkins/statuses/421029198333874176">January 8, 2014</a></blockquote>
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**** me in the ass with a chainsaw :facepalm: Why did I have to be born near this god damned city and franchise.

Pick another team then.

So, 5/75 then?

Kiss my ass then, bitch.

Obviously it depends on how it's structured, but that's scary to me regardless.

Seems a little steep, doesn't it?

Well, look at this thing in chunks, or bites, kind of like eating an elephant.

First, do you believe the Chiefs will ever draft a QB with their first round pick?

If you do, then you would be upset with a long term contract for AS. Of course, we all know the length doesn't matter, it is the guaranteed money.

But if you are like me and don't believe they will use a 1st, I think he is about as good as we can expect to have behind center. Granted, he didn't put the team on his back and carry it that last drive, but he did play very well and gave it all he had, he was all in.

Make the best of it, it is Clarks money and surround him with what he needs to succeed.

It's Smith fault Bowe let a little corner force him to the sideline?

Man, that is way to much.

For any single player. People have completely forgotten that teams win.

That's the going rate for a QB.

It's crazy. You can't hamstring a team because one player.

If anything we know that now.

I wonder what the average pay for SB winning QB's is at the time they won.

Not after they won.

I would do 5/75 in a heartbeat.

No clue but you got guys like Romo Cutler and Ryan getting 100m dollar deal and haven't won shit.

Agree

Oh don't get me wrong, I think Romo, Cutler and Flacco deals are BS.

It put teams in such a hole to have one player eat up so much cap room.

There is no point in debating this any more, really. We all see things a little differently and I can't bring myself to heap any more praise on Alex Smith than I already have. He gave it his all, busted his ass.

What I saw was Alex Smith erring to the safe side on that pass, pretty much like he has had a tendency to do on that play all season. It is better to be un-catchable than intercepted, it comes natural for him! He didn't need to throw it that far towards the OB, but see it how you wish.

Well here is Reid on the play

“Dwayne Bowe is one of the best slant runners in the National Football League,” Reid said. “He also is a great fade-ball catcher, (a) back-shoulder, fade-ball catcher. Dwayne’s big and strong. He’s playing fast, but he’s not the fastest receiver.

“Well, he beat this kid clean off the ball, and this kid’s got some speed. And I’m not sure he realized how clean he actually beat him off the ball. So normally, what he’d do is, he’d climb back on top. You go out to practice and see you see those red lines we have drawn on the field? You kind of go back and capture that red line. The red line sits four to five yards off the sideline, and you want to get right back on top that son of a gun if you beat somebody that fast. If not, you just fade it and the quarterback dots you on the back shoulder.

“He didn’t realize quite how clean he got that thing, and he bowed it out just a little bit towards the sideline. And he still had an opportunity — it was close. Half his foot was in, half was out. So if he had to do it all over again, he’d probably get over the top.”

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2014/01/08...#storylink=cpy

Think I'll wait and see on the contract before going off the deep end , I think it will be less.

It depends how much.

Schaub got around 4-62, so 4 years, 70 million makes sense.

If Cutler gets 18 million a year, and 54-56 guaranteed, who knows what Alex may get.

Bowe ran that route too close to the sideline.
Smith threw a perfect ball.

Even too close, Bowe nonchalantly took that step, rather than going limp and dragging that foot.

Bowe simply was not aware of where he was at.

Good story. I know what I saw, and have re-watched it a couple of times.
Is Andy going to throw his QB under the bus, especially after the game he had? Nope, it is what is .
Both of those critical sideline passes were missed and they had one player in common.
Bottom line, AS played a hell of a game, had great numbers, but the only time his team didn't have the lead, he didn't get it done.

Alex Smith threw 27 TD and 7 INT this year.

If he can do that consistently for the team and increase his yardage production ala the playoff game, he's worth 17.5 mil a year.

And before you whine, that's cheaper than Matt Ryan's contract.

That is true, he could have saved it.

Oh so This.

He had know idea where he was. I said it as soon as I was the play, I hated that call in that situation. Great play, wrong time.

It's bizarro world, You are saying yes and I'm saying no way in hell.

And that's the million dollar question - can he do it consistently? So far, he's only shown it in spurts.

Someone else we know threw for 27/7 once.

Personally, as long as his deal doesn't restrict us from legitimately filling holes, or doesn't marry us to him for more than 2-3 years - I don't care what they give him.

Kind of remind you of 2010? How did they do against the good teams? The NFC East this year was the NFC W in 2010.

Except not even as good. 2010 NFC West beat the Saints in the playoffs, the NFC East this year couldn't even manage that.

2010 Chiefs had the number 1 rushing team.
2013 10th

Yeah, that tends to happen when you just look at yardage. 114 more attempts in 2010.

Meanwhile, we had a 4.7 YPC in 2010 and 2013.

Nice try.

I'd say he can, simply based on his two seasons in SF.

Cassel didn't have that to fall back on.

I tend to agree that Smith isn't going to demand unrealistic numbers. I think he wants to win and knows that if he eats up all the money, they won't be able to fill any gaps that need to be filled in order to win. I really think that's what he cares about most.

His agent, on the other hand, will try to get for Alex every penny he can get, because obviously his commission goes up as well with every penny.

Give him 5 years of really good money but no more. You could even front load the first 3 or so.

Alex Smith has gotten better each of the last 3 years. Cassel not so much

AS is clearly better at his profession than Cassel, but we also know that an Andy Reid team is never going to lead the NFL in rushing. No way, no how.

This team played the good teams tuff, but couldn't finish sadly.

I would agree that he can keep his TD:INT based on his time in SF.

There's nothing from his time in SF or his year here that leads me to believe that he can consistently increase his yardage production, as you put it.

Who stole your log in password? No way you wrote that? I am also with signing him up as long as it's not a rediculous price. We need other players to get better and some FA's but Smith can get it done and we should all want him to stay longer than next year. He is just as good as the so called young studs like Wilson and Kap.

Giving up on your last "point" already?

Nope Cassel needs a running games. Alex doesn't.

Well, you would hope more WR/TE talent on offense + 2nd year in the system would help him in that regard.

I don't know, I'm just OK with Alex after that playoff game.

Please shoot me.

That's exactly what I'm hoping for, I'm just not sure how they can do it and fill the holes they have. We're up against the cap.

I suggested 5/75 the other day as long as we can get out of it cheaply after the 2nd or 3rd year if necessary.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Well, Jason Cole was guessing, but he said &quot;6 years, 17 or 17.5 million a year&quot; when I asked what contract Alex Smith will sign. <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Chiefs&amp;src=hash">#Chiefs</a></p>&mdash; Danny Parkins (@DannyParkins) <a href="https://twitter.com/DannyParkins/statuses/421029198333874176">January 8, 2014</a></blockquote>
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LMAO

You're all over the map.

Haven't the Romo and Cutler contracts sort of set the price here?

Isn't Smith at least on par with those guys? Maybe not purely stats, but wins and production?

And Alex did this with a struggling OL and below average WR's. The OL came together in the 2nd half and they played much better.

I think Alex could get close to 30 TD's and 4,000 yards next year. Can't wait to see Kelce back and the other weapons they will add.

Out of six games against playoff teams (including the Indy loss last week):

YDS - 270/GM
YPA - 6.9
CMP - 60%
TD - 1.83
INT - 0.5
TOT QBR - 48
RAT - 89.1

All of those stats except Total QBR are equal to or better than his regular season averages. So... quality of opponent didn't seem to affect him at all.

I wouldn't trade him for either of those two, but a couple of others mentioned in this thread I sure would, and a few not mentioned.
He is going to get his money from the Chiefs, hopefully front-loaded in a big signing bonus or cap friendly manner.

Every QB needs a running game.

Good post, except for the most important stat of all, winning the game.
Some think that is cruel, but that is all that really matters.
2-6 after the bye, with the wins coming against the Raiders and Redskins.