Chris Paul.

Dishonest human being.

If Smart doesn't get counseling this will soon be a real dialogue lol...


--So what are you in prison for?

--Someone called me a piece of crap so I shot him.

James Harden.

Likely tax evader.

Nice. More racism. Just what this thread needed.

KC Connection, and his blind torch carrying is all that is wrong with this society. His behavior on this matter is exactly the same of virtually 99% of politicians in this country... It's comical.

Pick a side and defend it at all costs without objectivity. :thumb:

:LOL:

I fail to see how you think the video doesn't prove anything. The video clearly shows that nobody in the vicinity can clearly hear anything racist at all. Maybe Smart thought he heard something, who knows. Appears he was provoked by the most loudest and distinct thing we heard on the video though.

LMAO

WTF? How is that racist? It's real. If he can't get mentally tough soon he's gonna take the next step. Like Fran Frachilla pointed out, this has been building for awhile. He needs help.

What exactly might those "sides" be? And which one am I on? If it's the "asshole fans shouldn't be able to say whatever the hell they want to college athletes" and the "people shouldn't be able to attack others based solely on insults" side, then yeah, I'm with those.

If you missed my post earlier on the actual issues at play, here it is again:

Nobody is fully objective about anything. It's simply impossible to be so. The only difference is that some can admit that and most can't.

Sorry, but the camera is pointed towards the court and the microphone is going to pick up sound in front of it better. The guy that Smart went after is behind the camera and to the right (facing the court right) of the cameraman. That video doesn't prove shit.

It's hardly necessary to explain why.

Clearly Texas Tech had the video doctored to remove "piece of shit N--" to "piece of shit". This is the best form of evidence to prove what was actually said one way or another, but, Smart apologist claim it does not exist.

Lol that's one of the most obscure straw men I can remember on this forum.

What are you talking about? The video camera was facing the court, it was hit by Smart when he went off the floor and turned all the way around. Then once Smart went into the stands the photographer starts to turn it around but leaves it still more pointing towards the incident, than towards the court. Almost sideways, but when you hear "piece of shit" the camera is turned around. Regardless, it was at worse, halfway between the court and the incident.

Because I'm a reasonable person. There is literally nothing in that video at all that substantiates their story. I still have no idea why they put that out there or what it is supposed to prove.

And again, it's embarrassing that it's become "their" story rather than his. Tech's defense of him in this instance is pretty incredible.

What's obscure about it and why is it a straw man? Do you believe true objectivity actually exists? Because everyone has biases based on their experiences/perspectives. I can actually admit to mine in this instance (I'm a huge fan of Smart and hate this kind of fan culture). Can you?

Watch it again. It gets slightly turned to the left not all the way around. Definitively saying that it did pick up what the Sand Aggie fan said is ridiculous.

Edit: So I watched it again, and it does get spun around but immediately picked back up. Even then the camera is pointing away from the guy when the piece of crap comment comes in. That video doesn't prove anything

guy shouldn't have been talking shit, lucky he didn't get his ass knocked out

loved it

It's like talking to a walrus. You just keep getting the same gurgling sound back.

Anyway, thanks for chiming in just to take a shot at me that made no sense. Great dialogue we got going. Maybe next time you'll actually form an opinion.

This is going to be a long debate until there's some super, 100% hard evidence.

Let's try not to get too carried away.

I guess we're about to find out how much OK State's power brokers care about hoops. Ford should be coaching for his job right now.

If it had happened with 8 minutes to go before halftime, I wouldn't have cared if Smart punched him in the nuts. But he cost his team a game because he let some middle aged jocksniffer get to him? Piss off.

Ford shouldn't have a job... Smart has ran that team all season anyway... You can tell from the players reactions they are sick of Smart.

Smart was the only reason his team was in the game. Also, the game would have been over if he didn't rush back to commit the foul on the open layup.

It's really the next 3 games that his shove is probably going to cost them that I'm sure he feels bad about.

And this would be called projecting your own feelings onto others.

It's not a viable dialogue when one is closing his eyes and shouting at the top of his lungs to drown out everyone else. It's pointless.

I have many Cowboy friends and family, and they were all leery of Ford before this season. They were willing to forgive him if they made the Sweet 16 at an absolute minimum (and the most boisterous among them demanded a Final 4 appearance). I don't know about that, but their roster is certainly talented enough to win two tournament games, and they may not even get there now. Flare-ups like this can be traced back to the coach and his ineffectiveness.

Yes you want to soap and rinse Smarts dick of all wrong doing, while all blame goes on the fan...

How about being accountable for your actions?

My uncle is a booster for OSU, and while he's not actively campaigning for Ford to be fired... there are some already carrying that torch.

I think it's wise as of February 9 to take that stance. Ford certainly has enough time to get this boat off the rocks. The likelihood of that happening is very small, but if the worst case scenario plays out, your uncle won't have to say a word.

says the guy who called smart "n word"

It's ok. He has a black friend.

Which opinion of mine do you find fault with? Tell me directly the issue(s) that you have with my posts or don't bother at all. All you're doing right now is baiting.

oh in that case...

:wayne:

Except I've said many times I take issue with Smart resorting to the shove and have said that he deserves a suspension.


How about the fan being accountable for theirs?

Seems like they are both paying a price for their actions.

Nah, not baiting... i've been reading your posts in this thread the whole time, and there's not even a point to debate with you on the subject. The sad part is, i somewhat agree'd with some of your posts initially, but then your grandiose arguments take it well beyond left field.

That's right, we are friends!

A question for the Missouri fan(s) that said you would be okay with Smart beating the crap out of that fan. Would you also have been okay if Thomas Robinson had gone up in the stands at Missouri and beat the piss out of the antlers?

I take issue with the fact that smart only gets 3 games and the fan volunteers to sit out the season.

But you are, though. You chimed in to solely insult me and have done nothing else to this point.

Be direct here. Which particular argument went beyond left field? Which exact thing did you take issue with?

I take issue with Tech letting the fan volunteer to sit out the season. He should have been banned from the games instead.

Of course, that's what happens when you're a booster.

So the fan gets a stiffer punishment than the player who shoved him?
Of course that is what happens when you are a star player

Yep, fan accountability. The 50 year old asshole who personally insults college athletes at games is the guy who should truly be ashamed by his actions here.

I have friends that are politicians, this seems eerily similar to their conversation leads.

Honestly, I don't wanna get into it with you. You are just being obtuse and unreasonable across the board on this subject. You've been that way all year with MS in the KU thread. I like Smart, but by god the trolling act you've performed to defend him is so obvious it's border-lining mental.

Especially when espn runs the story, says your name and your career.

Umm, wtf is that guy thinking controllers have a difficult job. I will be shocked if he does not get fired for the publicity or someone looking into his actions at work. If he does get caught dropping racial slurs, the thinking will be how far does it go? Does he treat incoming pilots or country planes different?

Stiffer by what measure? Let's not act like attending a game to cheer is of equal value to playing in that game.

Fan accountability? I have never heard that phrase. You really think that is the precedent? Should colleges police all things said by fans? How are the Antlers still attending games?

Well, to be fair... I'd give it a bit more time on the booster's side of this. TT is still investigating this, They probably talked to him and had a couple of cronies say "oh no, he said nothing derogatory". That's all they have to work with so far, possibly. The Big XII on the other hand has video evidence of Smart's actions and can jump on it right away.

The booster was probably asked to step away while the School looks into it... We might hear something about it in the future if more conclusive evidence is presented, more than likely there won't be any (outside of the one video which is left to conjecture). We probably won't hear much about it again.

No, it's quite the opposite. Politicians speak using vague notions. I'm asking you to be direct and you have failed to do so. Instead, you've decided to insult and bait me. Who's really acting out the role of the politician here?

Where? Again, be direct and attack my arguments (if you even disagree with any of them).

What trolling act? I'm a Marcus Smart fan, I've said I support his suspension and don't believe he was justified in shoving the fan. That doesn't mean, however, that there shouldn't be fan accountability too for the insult.

That is a fair point, but let's not act like heckling is equal to shoving.

I don't think fans should be able to say whatever the hell they want to athletes without repercussions. Especially college athletes. I think any reasonable person would agree.

See, this is where I'm not sure how anyone can take you seriously on this, man. You act like this type of fan behavior is not normal.

Certain fanbases (who shall remain unnamed) actually have groups in their midst that take pride in being derogatory and personal. As an example, will call the player 24\7 for the week leading up to the game in an attempt to harass them.. they will hold up signs about their dead relatives in the games... etc etc...

And this was within this very conference in recent history. This guy calling a kid a "piece of crap" or whatever is far from the worst thing that will happen or has ever happened even to Marcus Smart. Marcus lost his temper (this is becoming the norm with him) because of what was happening on the court, and used this guy as a target for his fury.

It is out of the norm for an athlete to do this.

So if there is so much that is uncertain about it (and I would agree that there is), why even come out with that bullshit statement and a video that proves nothing right now? Why not wait for something certain?

What is the point of it all (you know, other than to make your University and booster look better)?

yeah, seriously. these guys were in high school not long ago and if you have kids of your own they will be that age/are that age/have been that age and should be able to relate in SOME way, since a parent has been that age also.

I know it's normal. I've been to these games in a multiplicity of locations. I've seen the hateful, juvenile, often racist shit that people yell at these athletes during games. And it's that fact that is exactly what disgusts me the most and what I take issue with. They should not be allowed to do so. Whether he called Smart a piece of crap (which sounds like total bullshit to me) or something far worse, it shouldn't be acceptable at all.

I can't wait to repost the video of fat-fan getting his teeth knocked down his throat and him spitting them out (like hos wife does from the latest John who ultimately paid to get whore-and-hubby into the latest event) while his piece of shit whore wife watches and points at all the teeth littering whatever floor they fall on. Now that I'd find funny....

Because you have 50,000 news folk banging on your door demanding something.

And this is one of your points that I fully agree with (which I stated earlier).

Time for some Walking Dead!

One thing that is quite clear to me is how disappointed KC_Connection is that a racial slur wasn't said. It is pretty sad how many people were praying this was going to be a race issue.

Yes they would, where they would not agree is who should be punished more severely.

Why are you so sure he didn't just call him a piece of crap? The fan admitted to saying something vaguely supported by video (audio really) evidence.

Who's shocked that this guy made an appearance in this thread? LMAO

To be clear, I'm not sure about anything. Nothing was made any clearer by them posting that video.

But for Smart to react like he never has before to a taunt/insult (and he gets taunted in every road game ceaselessly), for the fan himself to admit he was ashamed over what he said (and that he went too far), and for the fan to voluntarily decide not to go to any more games, it all leads one to believe that it was something far more than that.

the fan apology was a PR deal, just like the Marcus Smart apology. He took games off because he thought it is what would be expected. I am sure TT had something to do with him taking games off. You think either one of them felt bad? That is not a sign that there is more beneath the surface.

Smart is taunted just as ceaselessly as other athletes. You don't think the chair incident establishes he has a temper?

i wonder what the chair called him.

You apparently missed the text message last night that was posted online, which is what I was referring to. Nothing PR about that.

Whether he used the N-word or not, it sounds like this guy has a history. And according to John Lucas, he's said some messed up shit. I'm sure if Orr gets a pass for being PG in what he said here, it will be interesting to see if OSU players come out of the woodwork to tell some of those things. If that's the case, I really don't have a problem with him being called out for it, even if he did nothing wrong in this instance.

The one where he said it was not vulgar or racial? You think it was not a CYA move? Whether it was true or not I doubt it was sincere.

Are you on crack man? Have you not watched Smart the last month. Simply calling him a little bitch would set him off on a tirade the way he's been acting this last month. I can't believe you're trying to defend that hothead smart.

Marcus "Not so" Smart

Nawh, **** that... Old dude had it coming.

There is something to be mentioned though, that in the NBA those guys push and shove each other all the time, it's very much a "don't disrespect me, bitch, or I'm going to deck you" culture. A "I have to gesture in your face if I score on you" culture... etc. That's what these guys emulate.

Everyone encourages players to have "fire" and just this massive aggressiveness, to overpower your opponents by sheer will... Well, you can't just switch it off.

It's sort of like Richard Sherman. He was interviewed seconds after doing battle all afternoon with someone who he hates, and who hates him back, someone who is known for running his mouth all day. You stick a mic in front of him, and you get Richard Sherman still in combat mode. That's not surprising.

The only thing that is surprising here is that he shoved a fan, and he was probably just frustrated because his team is circling the drain and were losing again. It's just immaturity.

Well at least the discussion was civil for a little while. Now all the white knighting or black knighting has begun.

"THESE GUYS?" WTF? Step back sir, step back!

As this progresses I hope every part a fat-man's life (and family's) don't becomes public and exploited. I'm wondering if there are any OSU fans back in his hometown? If so this could get ugly as I'm sure they'll put "walk away" to the test. I pray his kids/grandkids are left out of this who mess.

I hope everybody shows the restraint that's due in a case like this...

some people's whole identity rests on it...

This should be the end of it.

**** him. He's a sand aggie fan.

Fran frashila (sp?) and the 810 guys just had a great discussion about Smart.

His biggest strength (competitive spirit) became his biggest weakness here. You could also, like Fran said, see something like this (not necessarily shoving a fan) coming. Had a late T against KSU that cost them a game, the chair kick, the leaving the court, etc, and that he probably realized once Cobbins went down they just weren't a good enough team to win te Big 12.

Also with all of that, it's pretty obvious that Ford wasn't exactly putting the stop to anything and was probably more enabler than anything.

We'll find out over the coming weeks at fat-man's family prolly starts paying the price for him wanting to be a bad-ass. Kids are cruel, and if there's an OSU fan in his kid's/grandkid's school, I'm sure they're going to be ribbed ruthlessly.

Kinda sucks for the family/kids close to fat-man...