I agree.

The guy had horrible, Horrible o line play to boot.

I think he will be fine.

How many Guards do you see go as top 20 picks?

Kush and Hudson compete for Center. Hudson, Allen, Watkins compete for Guard. And plenty of opportunities in the draft, free agency, and scrap cuts to find more competition.

No, I'm not worried. I worry more about finding playmakers than I am a ****ing Guard.

Yeah, and how did those "playmakers" work out for Manning in the Superbowl?

How did Randy Moss work out for Tom Brady against the Giants?

How did that work out for Drew Brees and the High Flying Saints against the dominant front 7s that they faced?

How has that worked out for Stafford with Calvin Johnson?

Aaron Rodgers and his dynamic Packers?

Yeah, you don't need a dominant OL to succeed at all in this league. Just playmakers.

If you understood football, you would know that the game is won and lost in the trenches.

We need some stability on our o-line. A leader we can count on to keep an even keel under pressure. A quiet leader who lets his play do the talking. Somebody like this guy...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SW9C4qi5Y80

If you don't think a great qb doesn't make his line better I just don't know what to say. You keep saying more time. I say separation so you don't need as much time because we know Alex can be conservative. Seattle has the best secondary in football so that is why they could stop them. The pocket broke down because guys weren't open in 2 seconds like they had been all year for them.

Again, Tom Brady vs the Giants. Everyone agrees that he is an Elite QB, correct?

Giants secondary was nowhere near dominant in those Superbowl games. Brady had elite talents to work with on the perimeter. Yet the Patriots still couldn't win because they got dominated in the trenches.

There is a limit to how much better a QB can make his OL look. There are only so many times that Smith can escape from a defender in the backfield and make plays with his legs or buy time by moving the pocket. There are ways to scheme players open, but the only way to help against a pass rush is to keep extra guys in, which means less targets and weapons for Smith to work with.

A dominant OL makes everything better because it helps in both the run and pass game. If you don't have a good OL, Charles becomes less of a threat. If Charles is less of a threat, teams can drop more guys into coverage and shut our offense down. A dominant OL gives our WRs time to get open no matter how average they may be and it keeps our QB healthy.

The only time that you should draft a WR in the first is if:

A) You are set at OL with at least solid starters across the board.

B) You are set in your front 7 defensively.

C) a true potential #1 WR falls to you that you just can't pass on.

It's like you guys are all Matt Millens in here, lol.

With this draft at wr and safe to say prob 3 qb's picked in the 1st round this year that could very well happen. And he would be cheap for a bit while Bowe is expensive. If you add a wr of Bowe quality or better that will help Alex more than a fricking guard.

You're conflating high picks with success. More lower round picks become excellent starters on the offensive line than at any other position. Let's not forget that there's still a bust rate to consider when it comes to offensive line, and Andy Reid has taken his team there on more than one occasion. Or have you already forgotten the moldy diarrhea-crusted abortion that was Eric Fisher's rookie season? You know, the 1.1 offensive line pick that nearly ended Alex Smith's career?

An offensive line is partly finding good players. That's an element, yes. But there's an additional element, and that's chemistry. It's crucial for the line to play as a unit more than any other position group.

And constantly ****ing around, drafting offensive line high to replace previous high pick offensive linemen out on their 2nd contracts is stupid. In other words, once you have a guy who plays well, keep him.

This offensive line played well enough at the end of last season to be great. Albert can't be helped, but by keeping Stephenson and at least Asamoah or Schwartz, we'd be going a long way to keeping the chemistry together.

I just don't understand not keeping Schwartz.The line as a whole played better with him on the field. A rookie isn't going to be better next year but there are WR's out there easily better than anyone not named Bowe.

We can't afford him apparently, not if we want to have room to accomplish stuff like extensions for Smith, Houston, etc. while filling other holes and still having enough room to sign our draft picks.

Stephenson,Fischer,Hudson,Allen Draft a ol in 4th or 5th round and have Kush, Watkins, Rishaw,Rookie, compete for 1 spot basically. I don't think it's a stretch that 1 in that group could emerge as a starter.

This is my argument Old School Sacc loves him some OLineman and I respect his knowledge. When he says Beckham if he's there is the pick from someone who loves OL as much as Sacc then that's the direction to go in. If any one would advocate for a 1st round lineman it would be Sacc and he isn't. Fischer from what everyone says will gain 15 lbs and be better. Stephenson will get better because he is still young and we have seen him improve. Hudson should get better esp if kush steps it up and he can move to guard.
Bottom line I just don't think the OL is in as much peril as you believe it to be.

The OL wasn't that great to begin with even with Schwartz and Albert in the picture, and now we are losing them both. :harumph:

That's cause for some worry.

It's also a matter of $ too. Macklin just signed for 6M. granted it's only 1 year but still. Twice as much as an interior lineman. Macklin is a #2 and he got 6M. If you can get a rookie as good or better than him which we can at 23 you jump on him. The only justification for picking a lineman 1st round is if you need a left tackle. We don't that's why we don't have to over pay Albert and why he will prob walk.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2014/sto...ne-showing-off


From Clayton

Many of the top receivers in this year's draft project to be No. 1 receivers in the future. Watkins is clearly the best receiver to hit this league since A.J. Green of the Cincinnati Bengals and Julio Jones of the Atlanta Falcons. The draft is loaded with great receiving prospects -- Watkins, Mike Evans of Texas A&M, Odell Beckham of LSU, Marqise Lee of USC, Kelvin Benjamin of Florida State and Brandin Cooks of Oregon State. Teams may prefer the potential of drafted receivers over the track records of the receivers available in free agency.

The problem with these stats is that they are not broken down by position.
He started about 5 or 6 games at RT and gave up most of those 6 sacks ther (3 that I watched).

He was far more steady at guard.

Geoff rewteeted this story himself.

Chiefs | Met with Geoff Schwartz's agent
Fri, 28 Feb 2014 20:36:33 -0800

The Kansas City Chiefs met with Deryk Gilmore, the agent for impending free-agent OG Geoff Schwartz, to express their interest in re-signing Schwartz this offseason. Gilmore said Schwartz is a starter and is looking to be paid like a starter this offseason.

Share: | Source: The Kansas City Star - Terez A. Paylor

What's going to solve that issue in 2014- a season where we want to win playoff games and take this team to levels that it hasn't seen in 20+ years?

A ****ing rookie, or a veteran who began to play well with this team as soon as it began to gel?

Like I said, drafting a Larry Warford is a smart idea. But you have to find him first, and even browsing through the prospects available in the 1st and 3rd rounds is far more difficult to find that quality of player who can contribute instantly than you're making it out to be.

Hell, Mike Iupati sucked his first 1.5-2 years in San Francisco. And even now he's not exactly some impenetrable force. I just saw a highlight reel posted by you yesterday where Red Bryant made him his ****ing bitch.

I for one do NOT want to deal with the headache of a 1st round OL who "needs time." Not when we're trying to plug and play and win NOW.

@ArrowheadAddict: Kansas City Chiefs Rumors: “Geoff Schwartz Loved it in KC and Would Love to Come*Back” http://t.co/MieLZd9Gn3

Like hearing the positive news. Maybe Schwartz will take a discount, if that's our sticking point.

Too bad it wasn't a legit source, but who knows. I'll take any positive news at this point. Even from Barry.

If we can't get Schwartz back, I hope that we try to get Travelle Wharton in here. He's the only other versatile OL player available in FA that could start and play well at OG. He's just older than Schwartz.

Nope. The max number of comp picks one team can get is 4.

Deryk?

Schwartz said on 610 that he would love to come back. I believe him.

The Chiefs gave him the chance/opportunity that he wanted and it eventually worked out for both parties.

I think that this is more of an agent trying to bleed every potential penny out of a free agent situation than anything else.

Schwartz fits the RG spot in Reid's system quite well. I don't know if that would be the case elsewhere and I'm not totally sure that he's going to get top flight starter money on the market.

I think that the guy wants a home and the Chiefs want him. It's just his agent making noise.

He'll be a Chief in 2014 and starting at RG.

Just hope that's true. Would make our OL situation a lot better. I am intrigued by Rokevious Watkins though, can he put the BBQ down like Poe did to stay in shape though?

He's Welsh

SAVE THE ENDANGERED BEAR JEW!

"Bills are interested in speaking to guard Geoff Schwartz." - Patrick Moran, Buffalo Sports Daily

LMAO

Some good news.

I hope we get him back. Otherwise drafting a guard in the first round becomes a real possibility. I wish we had that second round pick!

hell no, not going to happen

How do you know this?

Nobody KNOWS what is going to happen

Taking a guard in the 1st round is rare and i just don't see the Chiefs making a move like that. Dorsey will pick up another guy like Schwartz in free agency and will let him compete with the guys we already have.

CP people are so dam OL paranoid it would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad.

Who made them that way? People didn't just wake up one day and say "damn, I hope the Chiefs don't take an offensive lineman on the 1st day of the draft".

Chiefs don't draft OL on the first day more than any other team.
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Of course not.

But when you look at the total of their first day draft picks over the past 2 decades, it's offensive linemen, defensive linemen, DBs, and that's about it.

A stunning lack of playmakers, absolutely stunning.

serious PR movement influenced the process heavily

Even more astounding when you consider that ****ing Carl drafted a S in nearly every draft an almost NEVER had one worth a $#it.

No franchise (excluding the Raiders, they don't count), NO FRANCHISE, has wasted more top 10 picks than we have.

No franchise has had as many and not gotten ONE SINGLE DOMINANT PLAYER at his position. Any position.

Not D line. Not O line. Even when we were outside the top 10 we drafted **** ups like Baldwin or LJ...:facepalm:


*SIGH*

I believe it changes now....*deep breath.*....I believe in the mighty lisp...

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I don't know who the **** that is nor do I ****ing care.

**** him if he's offensive line.

It's really a fat guy thing. So many DT's and OL taken early.

Really? There was 3 taken in the first round last year. 2 of those came in the top 10.

hey we drafted Jon Baldwin does he still get a free pass around here?

part of me hopes that the Chiefs draft an Olineman in every dam round this year and causes about a 14 dumbass ****ers around here to die of brain aneurysms.

just get it over with so the rest of us can move on

Don't get mad at anything the chiefs do, just accept it

Zach Martin.

Depends. If they dump Schwartz and draft his replacement round 1 I will be ****ing livid.

With Dorsey running the show I have no worries.

I wish I had this calm...

Cool. Hope he gets AIDS and dies in a fire.

ROFL

Love the reactions to OL in the 1st on this board. I imagine it's the same reaction everywhere except for places like Zona where they actually suck due to never picking an OL player high.

We could just really use some skill at our skill positions.

don't try that passive aggressive pissy bullshit with me, asshole

i invented it

we have completely new coaches,gm everything and you are still holding onto the past like a pitbull to michael vick's nutsack.

Using last years draft as a barometer for anything is an exercise in futility. Before last year, there was an average of 1.3 guards taken in the first round since 1980.

We're not Arizona, jackass. In fact, we're the complete OPPOSITE. Last year our opening day offensive line contained not a single soul acquired from another team or drafted later than the 3rd round. Both tackles were first round picks, and one of them was the #1 overall.

We've spent PLENTY of ****ing draft stock on offensive line. It's time to make shit work.

If our first pick this year isn't a receiver, safety, tight end, or pass rusher, I'm going to club baby seals.

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Charles' reaction to this:

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/i...hFiDpc8fy1QiQD

You are right it was a rather odd/bad year. But thank you for proving my point in that it is not rare for a G to be drafted in the first round.

I do not want OLine. I want a pass rusher with our first.
I do however see it very possible for the Chiefs to draft OL. If we lose Asamoah, Schwartz, and Albert in FA then it increases the likely hood even more.

You gotta link for that stat, cause that does not sound right to me.

yea it's right I just counted, I got 1.6, but I also counted the drafted tackles converted to guards and still the deviation is that low. Guards seem to have been on dry spells in the late 80s/early 90s when it was vogue to take RBs and stuff and there was a run in the 00s where like nobody took a guard. I used NFL.com for this.

The Chiefs need to keep Schwartz. Dont really care about Albert and especially Asuckamoa.

If we lose Albert, Asamoana and Schwartz it seems like we would lose a year in this rosters window.

This x1000

Yeah, watching the Chiefs fail year after year is so much fun. That will show those guys!

Arizona has drafted linemen high.

You know what Charles might like? Somebody else on the offense that can CATCH THE ****ING BALL.

I'm sure Charles would LOVE to be able to WALK when he's 50. They're running his ****ing legs off.

I read yesterday that the Saints are reportedly open to trading Sproles. How sick would that be? I'm not sure if we could pull that off but it would be cool. Maybe our first for Sproles and their second or something?

Hell no. If you want Sproles just draft Thomas in the 5th or Dri Archer. Give up our 1st, HA!

I hope your trolling. If we're giving up a first to the saints we better be getting Bree's, graham, or vaccaro.

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Robert Gallery was a mean mother****er in college. Got any pictures of him?

Zack Martin is nothing special or else he'd be going a lot higher in the first round. He's not a QB. He's not a WR. And he's not a pass rusher.

He's a GUARD (at the NFL level). A fat ****ing piece of shit guard.

If we hadn't spent so many 1st-3rd round picks on offensive linemen recently, I'd see your point. But we have, so therefore I don't. I think it's stupid bullshit.

I'd bet a lot of teams do.