This is a free flowing discussion. Of course, things will change as they make moves. There's no "judgement".

Because you can't line up 3 guys and not get an illegal formation penalty?

What happens when we need $ to lock down Justin Houston? What happens when Charles wants to renegotiate his contract that he rightfully deserves to do? What happens when We need $ to lock down Berry? What happens when we need $ to lock down Alex?

This isn't just planning for now. We're planning the long term as well.

Actually, this is about planning for the long term at the expense of the short term (or so it seems right now).

That's great for Justin Houston but who are we going to pair him with because Hali isn't going to last much longer...

Hopefully we can draft his replacement in this or next year's draft.

Dee Ford, Attaochu, Gayle, Smith, etc.

I agree, but I think people are putting Dorsey under a microscope.

How about Hudson, Allen and Stephenson? Two top 50 picks and a 3rd rd pick with 2 or more years in. It's time for these guys to step up.
Fisher and Kush are going through their first real nfl offseason so I expect them to be better next year as well just like Poe.

This is why the Schwartz thing (or the o-line as a whole really) is so frustrating.

This team suddenly has a TON of holes where they didn't exist a month ago.

We're already short on picks.

After watching Asamoah the last couple of years, do you any faith that Allen or Hudson are going to make a huge leap? I think it's a better bet to assume that Pioli had no idea what he was doing when it came to offensive linemen...

It's why I hope we can get Daryn Colledge in here to lessen the blow.

The problem is that he plays LG, doesn't he?

So we're going to move Allen?

All of this potential shuffling is a little disconcerting.

Colledge is versatile. He can kick out to OT as well. Pretty much the same versatility as Schwartz, just older.

We need a vet guy anyways, would not be a good idea to make one of the youngest starting OLs in the league even younger next season.

This isn't fair to Pioli or Dorsey.

Dorsey didn't draft these guys and pioli's picks were meant for a completely different scheme.

It might not be fair to Dorsey.

EVERYTHING is fair game with that ****tard Pioli.

Yes but not with how the OL are doing in a completely different scheme. He made some good picks, but ****ed up a lot of later picks. His demise was ultimately the draft pick, trade and coach he hired when he started.

In addition to the fact that Pioli thought that he was smarter then everyone else and did stupid shit to prove it.

I think it's clear that they aren't gonna spend a dime until they get guys like Alex Smith and Justin Houston locked up.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Hearing Geoff Schwartz to Giants is likely. Not done yet but close. <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Giants&amp;src=hash">#Giants</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23NFL&amp;src=hash">#NFL</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23NFLFreeAgency&amp;src=hash">#NFLFreeAgency</a></p>&mdash; Jordan Raanan (@JordanRaanan) <a href="https://twitter.com/JordanRaanan/statuses/443481932840857600">March 11, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>The Giants have scheduled a visit with free agent guard Geoff Schwartz, according to Adam Schefter. Rams also interested.</p>&mdash; Dan Graziano (@DanGrazianoESPN) <a href="https://twitter.com/DanGrazianoESPN/statuses/443488293356044289">March 11, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>RT <a href="https://twitter.com/KimJonesSports">@KimJonesSports</a>: Source familiar with negotiations: NYG &amp; G Geoff Schwartz have agreed to terms. Expected to sign tomorrow</p>&mdash; Art Stapleton (@art_stapleton) <a href="https://twitter.com/art_stapleton/statuses/443491051207401472">March 11, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Well....let's see what you got Reid/Dorsey. I'm fully prepared to take an offensive linemen in the 1st round.

I'd bet any amount of money that they go after a WR in the first.
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Disappointing. I really wanted to keep him. But that clearly wasn't in the cards.

The success of Schwartz really should be an indication that we shouldn't go after a high priced guard or draft one in the 1st. If an undrafted career backup can do what he did, I'd be surprised if Dorsey and Reid really invest a lot of resources to get another one. That's why I'm positive that they'll likely draft a WR in the 1st. It's the biggest need other than safety and getting a great is more important than getting a great safety.

Schwartz was drafted by the Carolina Panthers in the seventh round of the 2008 NFL Draft.

Heh, don't know why I thought he was undrafted.

Because the 7th round basically is. LMAO

I'm over it now. He's gone. It's whatever.

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Wonder how much he's gonna get.

Good for him though. He's worked hard to get this pay day and he deserves it. Bounced around the league a lot and finally getting a decent contract to set him up for the future.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>G/T Geoff Schwartz&#39;s deal with <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Giants&amp;src=hash">#Giants</a> is for 4 years worth $16.8 million, $6.2 million guaranteed (via <a href="https://twitter.com/Rand_Getlin">@Rand_Getlin</a>). <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23NYG&amp;src=hash">#NYG</a></p>&mdash; Art Stapleton (@art_stapleton) <a href="https://twitter.com/art_stapleton/statuses/443812920146022400">March 12, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Not bad for the Giants with only a little over 6 guaranteed

He's getting paid like a top 12-16ish starting guard.

I hope Dorsey has a plan, because I'd INSTANTLY throw that money at him if it meant not burning a 1st round pick on his replacement.

That's ****ing it? Bullshit that we didn't sign him.

That's it? I was speculating that he'd get more than Asomoah but I guess I forgot about the Pioli factor.

I think our FO believes that they could improve at his position and that's the real reason why they let him go. They want an OG that can pass protect as well, not just a run blocker like Schwartz was. Eli Manning is still going to get killed.

Schwartz is playing RT for the Giants.

Ok, so Manning is truly going to die next season, lol. Schwartz couldn't handle interior speed rushers, how the hell is he going to do outside?

That's NOTHING for a guy that can play multiple positions on the OL at a high level.

NOTHING.

I just hope the reason they let him walk was because of the faith they have in our OL depth and not because they want to burn a high pick on a ****ing guard.

I know, I just read that too.

One thing I saw last night reading Bob Gretz articles was that he got the feeling that Geoff saw himself as no longer a Chief as soon as the playoff game was over. So maybe he wasn't staying no matter.

Zach Martin, lol. Just be ready for it.

I bet money we are drafting O line in the first round. Besides Beadles, the FA market is thin at guard and Andy loves his fat guys.... Unless we make a move on a center and decide to move Hudson to his natural position- it's looking more and more like Swanson or Mathews might be a Chief

It's just always been his dream to play for the New York Giants. There was no possibility whatsoever that the Chiefs could have re-signed Brandon Carr Geoff Schwartz

shit...well that's disappointing.

I admit thought when I saw the RT plan it was gonna be more than that. I'd have paid him that easy to play start at RG or LG, plus emergency RT in a pinch.

Always look on the bright side of life, I guess.

Zack Martin isn't 28 or however old Danny Watkins was.

The only reasons I can think of as to why we weren't able to re-sign Schwartz are:

1. He didn't want to play here and wanted to play for NY.

2. Our FO and coaches want a dominant OL, not just a passable one and were prepared to let Schwartz go in favor of drafting a better prospect this year in a draft that is very strong along the OL. They may also think that we might already have an answer in-house.

Only things I can come up with for not getting a deal done with Schwartz.

man does Fat Scott overpay for players or what. Asamoah got way more than that lol

Yep.

I'd rather have paid the 4.5 mil a year to Asamoah.
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Dorsey's trust with the fans is going to be put to the test this year. We're going to find out if Dorsey is as good as his reputation.

Yep. It's a huge gamble.

I don't like it, but I'd gladly accept being proven wrong.

I just don't see it.

It would be one thing if you were counting on Fisher, and Kelce, and Commings to all take a big step forward.

But they appear to be expecting Fisher, and Johnson, and Cooper, AND Commings, AND Kelce...

Well, you get my point.

And Kush, Johnson, Watkins, Jenkins . . .

That's what I meant. There's so many of them it's a ****ing chore just to type them all.

It's a real gamble, one that I don't understand at all.

He is also setting himself up for the draft. Where is the draft the strongest?

WR, OL, CBs, DL/LBs

You can bet that our top 4 picks will look something like that.

So add 4 rookies to that list. That makes it worse, you realize that, right?