Originally Posted by John Dope (Post 10822765)

Mathews started for Maclin last night and was targeted nine times. He had nine receptions for 104 yards. Maclin is going to end up in the slot soon and Mathews will win ROTY imo. If Dee Ford sucks, we are going to be pissed we didn't take Mathews.

Originally Posted by Dunerdr (Post 10823023)

I hope the chiefs lay down like bitches all year. Smith walks. We draft high and come into our own.... Yeah right.

Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 10822925)

Maybe it is just the playoff hangover still lingering- but I have a feeling the chiefs are going to lay down like little bitches to the Panthers this weekend.

Originally Posted by JoeyChuckles (Post 10823074)

Based off what you have seen from the Chiefs the past 20 years, what makes you think they would even choose the right QB if they did take a QB early?

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 10823077)

LMAO Its already started Game 2 of preseason.

I have got a bad feeling about this one guys.

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 10823077)

LMAO Its already started Game 2 of preseason.

I have got a bad feeling about this one guys.

Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 10822925)

Maybe it is just the playoff hangover still lingering- but I have a feeling the chiefs are going to lay down like little bitches to the Panthers this weekend.

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 10823192)

Seeing as how you sucked the Tigers dick and said the Royals were dead in the waters after the trade deadline, I feel much better about this game now that you've said this. Now all you have to say is that the Chiefs will be horrible and the Broncos will win the superbowl and I'll be more excited than ever about the season.

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 10818550)

It sounds like the KC decision makers thought Bray wasn't going to progress like he did this past summer through OTA's to the present( the leaked rumor that Bray was having problems assimilating the playbook was indicative to that ).Murray was the insurance policy for another development QB who's a complete system's dependent prospect who has the mental aspect for the position.

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 10818550)

It sounds like the KC decision makers thought Bray wasn't going to progress like he did this past summer through OTA's to the present( the leaked rumor that Bray was having problems assimilating the playbook was indicative to that ).Murray was the insurance policy for another development QB who's a complete system's dependent prospect who has the mental aspect for the position.

Originally Posted by John Dope (Post 10823762)

That is a good summary and pretty much what I have gathered as well. I think the leash is still short on Bray though. I know most don't agree me and I still think he's a longshot. He has to play really well in these next three games to make the roster imo.

Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10823832)

I'm watching the Texans vs Falcons right now: The Texan's DL is going to be a nightmare for however long Clowney and Watt are playing together. Clowney just absolutely demolished the RB and then beat Baker pretty badly for a quick sack on the play right after.

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 10823988)

Andrew Luck

Eric Fisher

Jadeveon Clowney

...

One of those draft classes is not like the others...

Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace (Post 10824003)

I was on the Tyler Bray before he signed with the Chiefs last year.

So, with that shot of luck, if you want to watch another qb who i think has a great future.

Check out Arizona Cardinals qb Logan Thomas.

Guy is a coaches wet dream.

Measurables out of this world.

Originally Posted by John Dope (Post 10824031)

BJ Coleman, Tyler Bray, Logan Thomas.... There are guys with big arms and measurable every single year.

Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace (Post 10824040)

Yeah, and some times they pan out, and some times they don't.

logan Thomas is just a guy i am keeping an eye on

Originally Posted by John Dope (Post 10824071)

They don't pan out much. Hardly ever actually. Those big armed prototypical size guys who go at the end of the draft or after do so for a reason. There is literally a Logan Thomas in almost every single class .

Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace (Post 10824084)

No, there aren't.

But, lets just leave that as your opinion, and ill keep mine.

Logan Thomas literally got next to nothing as far as coaching at VT.

he is now with Bruce Arians, do you want to debate his credentials as a qb guru with me?

That is a huge reason that i have faith in Logan, why i had huge optimism for Bray.

Lets just let it play out shall we?

Originally Posted by John Dope (Post 10824095)

Arians is great with good quarterbacks. How has he done with big armed prototypical late round or free agent rookies? Who has he molded into something special? I don't think anyone can say he's made chicken salad out of chicken shit. You are getting your hopes up for nothing imo but I will let it play out. I hate to watch people invest in false hope.

Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace (Post 10824104)

I am not invested at all.

i liked Logan Thomas in college. Im not a cards fan, so it means nothing to me.

Arians made tommy Maddox relevant. Think about that.

there are guys you can set your clock to as far as how they develop qbs in my opinion.

Ken Whizenhunt with Zack Mettenberger is one im watching, Norv turner with Teddy bridgewater, and Logan Thomas with Arians.

should be interesting.

Originally Posted by John Dope (Post 10824133)

Tommy Maddox was a first round quarterback. First round quarterbacks get extra chances. He did help Maddox out later in his career but he wasn't some late round big armed prototypical size guy who was a longshot. You need to research Maddox more. He's not helping your cause.

Bray and Thomas are not the same as Bridgewater and Mettenberger. They are late round or undrafted player who crapped their pants in big games and made some terrible decisions with game on the line multiple times. There are reasons why they went late or undrafted. There is a reason they are longshots.

Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace (Post 10824152)

Mettenberger was a late round pick. was he NOT drafted after Logan Thomas?

I know exactly who Tommy Maddox was. he was severely overdrafted. he wallowed in Denver, went to the XFL, and then was a reclamation project in Pittsburgh.

I gave credit there but he wasn't the same as the guys in our argument and there is a reason he got another chance. There was also a reason he went in the first round and it's because the tools were there physically and mentally.

Again, lets let it go, you questioned my thought process on Bruce Arians as a qb guru. you say he develops good qbs, and I think that he helps good qbs develop.

you know, like peyton Manning, Ben, Andrew, he helped resurrect Carson Palmer.

Yeah, those guys were all pretty ****ing good before he got them. That's my point. He has never done crap with a guy like Logan Thomas and has seen a ton of them come and go. He really does **** with project players very much.

lets just let it play out, or you can continue to try to talk down to me, and to own me.

Good luck with that.

Logan Thomas, 4th round qb.

Zack mettenberger, 6th. Im just saying.......

I forgot Mettenberger dropped that far but he dropped because of off the field stuff. Not because he was a bed crapper in big games. I'll eat a little crow there but not much. It's not the same as Bray or Thomas.

Originally Posted by John Dope (Post 10824185)

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace (Post 10824202)

Im not debating at all that Logan Thomas underachieved in college.

but, if you watched any of his tape from his freshmen season, you could see potential.

that's all I am saying.

Potential means you haven't done shit.

Look, so we stop trying this one ups manship bullshit, lets look at it this way.

Colin Kaepernick.

Would he be colin kaepernick without Jim Harbaugh?

I say no, some times you just get put into a PERFECT situation.

That's all im saying.

I don't agree. What makes Kapernick great is his god given physical attributes and the scheme they run. it's not his ability to read defenses or anything Harabaugh has taught him. Jim just put him in a position to succeed with the tools he's got.

Logan Thomas, with say Rex Ryan, and the Jets.

I would have ZERO faith in him.

I agree that he has a better shot with Arians but I also don't think Arians gives much of a shit about project players.

its situation.
a lot of success in this league, is based on situation.

Just my opinion.

some will disagree. Take Clay, or count zarth if you will.

He believes foolishly that a GREAT QB, OVER COMES ALL ODDS.

Now, most know that isn't true. Look at Drew Brees. The year he didn't have Sean Payton, they went 7-9.

Brees was great before he went to New Orleans. Marty would have won a Superbowl with him imo. Payton didn't make Drew Brees man. I don't see it that way at all.

there is a reason that the NFL is the most TEAM centric sport.

One player, can make a difference, but he cant over come everything.

Situation. Its a huge part of the game.

I agree but I also think the most important attribute for a QB is his ability in clutch situations, big games, and big moments. You know Russell Wilson was supposed to go in the 5th or 6th round. Know why Carroll took him in the the 3rd? Because he had seven 4th quarter comebacks at Wisconsin in one season. It's the most important thing man.

have a nice night bud.

Originally Posted by John Dope (Post 10824025)

fixed it for you

Originally Posted by John Dope (Post 10824031)

BJ Coleman, Tyler Bray, Logan Thomas.... There are guys with big arms and measurable every single year.

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 10824461)

Not for nothing, Thomas looked really good in Week 1.

Haven't seen him this week, though.

Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace (Post 10825368)

49ers Broncos on NFL network.

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 10826724)

Think I'm over this Santos kid. For such a "big leg" he has yet to even come close to a touchback on a kick off.

I can't imagine they are telling their kickers to kick it short when Succop is kicking them out of the endzone left and right.

Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 10827476)

I think it could be a courtesy.

All our preseason opponents want to get work on their special teams too. Coaches talk about that stuff ahead of time.

If the know Santos can boom them, why make him prove it? Whereas Succop needs to prove her can do it consistently, so we give him a chance to prove it.

Not saying that's what is happening, but might be a way to handle the situation that best served all involved.

Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 10827476)

I think it could be a courtesy.

All our preseason opponents want to get work on their special teams too. Coaches talk about that stuff ahead of time.

If the know Santos can boom them, why make him prove it? Whereas Succop needs to prove her can do it consistently, so we give him a chance to prove it.

Not saying that's what is happening, but might be a way to handle the situation that best served all involved.