Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks (Post 10819029)

That's not true either. There is a lot of double-talking bull**** going on.. and when called on it, the bull****ers are crying "who me? oh no, not me!". To even bother to mention his few mistakes in the playoff game may appear to be innocent in nature... but it's not.. and everyone knows it.. who it's coming from.. and why.

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks (Post 10819029)

So to play this particular victim card is disingenuous... and you know better.. but still are trying to play as if you are truly holier than thou and CP's greatest champion for peace and impartiality.

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10818991)

Most people here, and on most other message boards, root for TEAMS rather than individual players...

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10819027)

Overdramatic much?

Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace (Post 10819049)

Well, and you aren't in this category, but didn't there seem to be some that root against the individual player?

I understand what you are saying.

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10819055)

The people here that truly hate Alex Smith are more interested in being right than actually hating Alex Smith.

Originally Posted by Count Zarth (Post 10819059)

I KNOW that I am right.

That is WHY I hate him.

THIS WILL ALL END UP IN TEARS.

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10819061)

:D

Originally Posted by Count Zarth (Post 10819059)

I KNOW that I am right.

That is WHY I hate him.

THIS WILL ALL END UP IN TEARS.

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 10819031)

You how the "QB whisperer" moniker got started correct?

after the Seattle game people were clamoring that Cassel is the franchise QB, and I said he didn't have mental aspect to succeed in the long run. Then when he started to self destruct, and then I pointed that out again. Then some self aborbed individuals that were emotionally invested in Matt started to have this bullshit and petty vendetta about a football opinion.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 10819124)

That's bullshit.

The QB Whisperer moniker came into being becaue your dumb ass told us that your dad was a high school QB, so had inside knowledge of the QB position.

Bad Guy called you out for that stupid shit, and coined the QB Whispere moniker.

Originally Posted by temper11 (Post 10819094)

This year, the Chiefs will be as good as the Oline and Defense allows them to be in my opinion. I don't think Smith is going to come out and sling it all over the field as many here hope that he will do. I think he will stick mostly to what has given him a lot of recent success - playing smart football. I think he will play as conservative or as aggressive as the game dictates. I think there will be marginal improvement with the upgrade to the TE position and the potential upgrade of DAT over McCluster. Jamaal will be Jamaal. Slight improvements or step-backs everywhere else in the skill positions, nothing major.

Offense success will depend on the oline. If the line is folding every play then nothing else matters much. If the offense IS successful, will the defense be successful enough against really tough offensive opponents to translate to wins. Can't wait to find out.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 10819136)

What you are describing is a playing not to lose approach, which is how I've descibed his play.

We, as Chiefs fansn learned, or should have learned, in the 90s that approach is a certain path to ultimately losing.

Originally Posted by temper11 (Post 10819217)

I respect that opinion, but he's done a lot of winning recently for someone who is playing not to lose. From my perspective, he takes necessary risks, not unnecessary ones. That isn't playing not to lose, that is playing to win.

Prevent D is playing not to lose. Playing press coverage with a lead, but not jumping routes is playing to win without taking unnecessary risks.

Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace (Post 10819221)

While what you say is true, if he became just slightly more aggressive he would become a much better qb. That's what a lot of people are saying

Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace (Post 10819221)

While what you say is true, if he became just slightly more aggressive he would become a much better qb. That's what a lot of people are saying

Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball (Post 10819235)

The folks knocking him here are not exactly known for being correct on evaluating QBs.

Originally Posted by ILChief (Post 10814795)

No way Murray makes it through waivers for the PS. Either we keep all four, daniel gets cut, or Murray gets "injured" and goes to IR

Originally Posted by temper11 (Post 10819234)

More aggressive than what? The first half of the season in which the defense was killing weaker teams, or the second half of the season in which the defense was getting rolled? I thought he played very aggressively through both of the Denver games the San diego game and the playoff game. It was not needed in the Raiders game or the Redskins game. Nor do I think it is unrealistic to believe that the regular season Colts game was a completely watered down offense due to the fact that they didn't want to show their hand in a meaningless game when they were likely to face the same team in a few weeks in the playoffs.

Do you think he was not aggressive enough in the second half of the season?

Originally Posted by John Dope (Post 10819400)

Why do you think Bray is a lock? Did you think Stanzi was a lock last year? What has Bray done? There are three preseason games to go.

Originally Posted by ILChief (Post 10814795)

No way Murray makes it through waivers for the PS. Either we keep all four, daniel gets cut, or Murray gets "injured" and goes to IR

Originally Posted by Jakemall (Post 10819492)

He's a 5th rounder? What has he done that makes anyone think that another team will grab him to put him on their 53 roster?

If they waive him for PS, many teams might just think he's a project and not worth their time just yet....unless he's shown something?

Originally Posted by Jakemall (Post 10819492)

He's a 5th rounder? What has he done that makes anyone think that another team will grab him to put him on their 53 roster?

If they waive him for PS, many teams might just think he's a project and not worth their time just yet....unless he's shown something?

Originally Posted by temper11 (Post 10819217)

I respect that opinion, but he's done a lot of winning recently for someone who is playing not to lose. From my perspective, he takes necessary risks, not unnecessary ones. That isn't playing not to lose, that is playing to win.

Prevent D is playing not to lose. Playing press coverage with a lead, but not jumping routes is playing to win without taking unnecessary risks.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 10819575)

Bottom line, playing not to lose wins you a lot of games.
The Chiefs of the 90s won more games than all but 3 teams.

Great crap.
3 playoff wins to show for it.

Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 10819453)

He's taking second team snaps. Wake up.

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 10819585)

It believe it was 1 team, the 49ers.

People forget that luck does play a huge roll in games between evenly matched teams.

The reason is nobody wants to believe something like luck which they can't control will determine an outcome

Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 10819453)

He's taking second team snaps. Wake up.

Originally Posted by Jakemall (Post 10819492)

He's a 5th rounder? What has he done that makes anyone think that another team will grab him to put him on their 53 roster?

If they waive him for PS, many teams might just think he's a project and not worth their time just yet....unless he's shown something?

Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10819584)

People who complain about Smith playing conservatively, did he look like that to you in the playoffs and late in the season or when the game is on the line?

Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace (Post 10819686)

Remember Scott Tolzien?

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 10819585)

It believe it was 1 team, the 49ers.

People forget that luck does play a huge roll in games between evenly matched teams.

The reason is nobody wants to believe something like luck which they can't control will determine an outcome

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 10819853)

Remember when Scott Tolzien was a piece of shit Badger QB in a long and proud tradition of shit Badger QBs?

I do.

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 10819585)

It believe it was 1 team, the 49ers.

People forget that luck does play a huge roll in games between evenly matched teams.

The reason is nobody wants to believe something like luck which they can't control will determine an outcome

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10819971)

Luck plays even more of a role in CLOSE games, which Marty CONSTANTLY had because he played too conservatively when he could have opened up leads.

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks (Post 10820041)

also could have thrown games away by being reckless and not leaning towards what should have been the stronger team aspect (defense).

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks (Post 10820041)

also could have thrown games away by being reckless and not leaning towards what should have been the stronger team aspect (defense).

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10819971)

Luck plays even more of a role in CLOSE games, which Marty CONSTANTLY had because he played too conservatively when he could have opened up leads.

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 10820075)

I agree with that when it comes to 97' but not sure how much more aggressive he could be with Bono throwing 3 INT's in 95'.

What did Bono have 7 picks that entire season then throws 3 in the playoff game? ****ing tool.

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks (Post 10820041)

also could have thrown games away by being reckless and not leaning towards what should have been the stronger team aspect (defense).

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 10820079)

But in 95 we were killing them with the run in the 1st half... Just flat owning them...

Then Marty happened and started throwing the ball all over the field in the second half... IF I remember correctly, those picks happened in the second half...

Marty totally Marty'd himself that 95 game... That is when I realized he is a fraud NFL HC...

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10820094)

This.

95 he was determined to make that his "tendency breaker".

The problem is Marty, the herald of defense, was one of the biggest proponents of the Prevent, and we all know what that defense does...

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 10820099)

Was 95 the "Yards in Chunks" year or was that down the road... but I remember him saying he was going to have his offense get yards in "chunks"

Originally Posted by 505 Chief (Post 10820465)

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 10819617)

When you lose as consistently in the playoffs as Marty did, there's more than luck involved.

Playing not to lose leads ultimately to losing.

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 10820453)

**** all this knowing the situation bullshit.

If you've got a guy wide open, you throw him the ****ing ball. More points=a good ****ing thing.

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 10820887)

Martyocrity.

Originally Posted by temper11 (Post 10820893)

You guys call it Martyocrity here in KC. We call it the west coast offense pioneered by Bill Walsh. Niners won a few superbowls with it. Maybe it's dated and doesn't belong in today's NFL - But I still believe in it.

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10820913)

Marty's WCO, led by Paul Hackett, wasn't exactly Walsh's offense but it was close. The difference was that the 49ers had real WRs and the Chiefs, as they have most of the time I've been a fan, had shit WRs.

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 10820939)

The 49ers also had real quarterbacks and allowed them to play without leashes - the Montana years here being the exception that proved the rule. Only then could Marty win despite himself. That's where the 'play not to lose' mantra came from.

What Marty could do is coach up an average roster to win regular season games. Put him in postseason situations against playoff rosters and he was toast.

Although if you go further beyond that and look at his years in SD, where he had an incredibly talented roster, you'll see he still found creative ways to **** up playoff games. Although then it was generally because he stopped doing the things that won them games during the regular season and reverted back to his tendencies. The same tendencies that led to 13-3 one-and-done's here.

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 10820099)

Was 95 the "Yards in Chunks" year or was that down the road... but I remember him saying he was going to have his offense get yards in "chunks"

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 10817817)

This is all bullshit.

Jenkins and Avery are both open by NFL standards.

Originally Posted by dls6501 (Post 10817953)

My biggest problem with Alex Smith is he does not maximize the potential of every play. There have been countless times every single game of his career that he has a WR open for what could be a big play, but Alex chooses to go to a safer play.

When a wide receiver is a step or two past his defender, Alex does not see this as the WR being open enough, and will go to a more open WR.....even if the latter WR will result in a minimal gain. Alex sees a WR that is one or two steps past his defender as a risky throw....where in actuality, said WR is wide open by NFL standards.

The Alex fans will say that "he plays within the circumstances of the game," but I would argue that aside from having a big lead late int the 4th Quarter, there is no circumstance of a game that would call for a QB to NOT throw to an open WR who is streaking down the field. While Alex is praised for finding an open dump off that will net 3 yards, I criticize him for missing the open WR who would net 25+ yards on the same play.

It has nothing to do with simply hoping he will bomb it every play. That is NOT what I or others are trying to say. You Alex fans say that one of his best traits is accuracy right? Well then if a WR is two steps past his defender, an accurate QB should have ZERO problem hitting him and shouldnt deem it as a "risky attempt."

Originally Posted by Kaepernick (Post 10824469)

Open by NFL standards is not open by Alex Smith standards. Alex wants clear, un-interceptible separation in order to throw to his wide receivers. That is just how Alex is. The upside is, he creates very few turnovers, which are the #1 reason for losses. So he is a net plus. Just not the type of QB to thread the needle to a WR to win a playoff game when it is on the line.

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 10817962)

Short and sweet that's the basis for all the hate.

He CAN make all the throws. He CAN scramble. He CAN step up in the pocket.

It's frustrating.

Reid is pretty much Vince Vaughn making him break out the bear claws...

NSFW
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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10824472)

Except for when he did it against the Saints, am I right?ROFL

You're such a tool dude. ROFL

Originally Posted by dls6501 (Post 10818089)

I am trying to discuss football while you guys are making childish insults.

Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10824472)

Except for when he did it against the Saints, am I right?ROFL

You're such a tool dude. ROFL

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 10818778)

Alex isn't at all controversial, though his crazed worshipers make it an issue.

Originally Posted by Kaepernick (Post 10824527)

"Crazed worshppers".

ROFL

:clap:

Speaking of Alex's crazed worshippers, they arrives as if on cue.

Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace (Post 10824530)

You really shouldn't talk about crazed worshippers.

You started the Kaepernick fan club, you have Kaepernick as your name, harbernick in the 49ers site, and you constantly state how you hate taking about Alex, but here you are.

You really shouldn't talk.

Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 10824538)

Ace I like you so don't take this personal:

It's very weird for a player to have fans that follow him around from team to team. And it's not like they're casual fans who want to see him succeed, they are in fact die hard.

Very weird indeed.

Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10824484)

It's all a matter of trust. Smith has never had a WR that he could trust to come up with the ball and has been among the league leaders for the most passes dropped for pretty much his entire career.

Hell, he thought that he could trust Bowe on that final playoff play, threw a perfect ball down the field instead of looking for an easy completion for the 1st on 4th an short, and Bowe let him down when there was more than enough room for any competent NFL WR to get both feet down inbounds.

The problem isn't Smith being "afraid", if it was fear that he really struggled with then there is no way that he would play as well as he does in the playoffs. The issue has always been that he can't really trust the WRs around him to make the play on the ball, and for good reason.

The only guy that he kind of grew to trust last season was Dwayne Bowe. Anyone who was paying attention to the games last season at all saw that Smith was becoming less hesitant to force the ball into Bowe despite the lack of separation. Matter of trust, not fear.

Originally Posted by Pawnmower (Post 10824533)

is krapernik going to cry when they finish 3rd in the division this season, and he has more picks and fumbles than TDS ? Or pulls a steve young and gets BLASTED running for a 1st down he shouldve just thrown for

Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace (Post 10824530)

You really shouldn't talk about crazed worshippers.

You started the Kaepernick fan club, you have Kaepernick as your name, harbernick in the 49ers site, and you constantly state how you hate taking about Alex, but here you are.

You really shouldn't talk.

Originally Posted by Kaepernick (Post 10824828)

I have asked you 50,000 times politely not to post to me.

You are on my ignore list. I can't see your posts unless quoted. I do not post to you. I do not want to see a single word you write.

Please respect my request and stop posting to me. I have asked you nicely a dozen or more times now not to post to me.

Thank you.

Originally Posted by Kaepernick (Post 10824828)

I have asked you 50,000 times politely not to post to me.

You are on my ignore list. I can't see your posts unless quoted. I do not post to you. I do not want to see a single word you write.

Please respect my request and stop posting to me. I have asked you nicely a dozen or more times now not to post to me.

Thank you.

Originally Posted by Kaepernick (Post 10824828)

I have asked you 50,000 times politely not to post to me.

You are on my ignore list. I can't see your posts unless quoted. I do not post to you. I do not want to see a single word you write.

Please respect my request and stop posting to me. I have asked you nicely a dozen or more times now not to post to me.

Thank you.

Originally Posted by Kaepernick (Post 10824527)

"Crazed worshppers".

ROFL

:clap:

Speaking of Alex's crazed worshippers, they arrives as if on cue.

Originally Posted by temper11 (Post 10819128)

You guys always amaze me how you remember exactly who said exactly what. I can only remember what I say. :)

Originally Posted by Kaepernick (Post 10824828)

I have asked you 50,000 times politely not to post to me.

You are on my ignore list. I can't see your posts unless quoted. I do not post to you. I do not want to see a single word you write.

Please respect my request and stop posting to me. I have asked you nicely a dozen or more times now not to post to me.

Thank you.

Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 10825028)

Kaepernick, if you block someone you admit defeat.