At a glance, something is off with those stats, Sapho. Bowe had 15 TDs in 2010, not 17.

No, not really. He was targeted four more times in 2013 than he was in 2012. People keep saying that but it isn't true.

Fixed!

Here are the numbers. You can see that he produces more when he gets downfield looks. That’s on Reid and Alex to make sure it’s happening. Otherwise, you are wasting your money.

2010


2011

2012

2013

But is it on Reid and Alex or is it on Bowe? Can he get down the field and get open or is he slow as shit? It's possible he is slowing down.

Alex Smith has always thrown the ball down the field less than just about every other starter in the NFL.

Even less than Cassel.

Not surprising that Bowe's numbers are down.

You know Clay, if Bowe had ever been an actual down the field type receiver this would all make sense.

Fact is he has always been a catch a run type guy his whole career He isn't a deep threat nor has he ever been.

Yes but his downfield production has still declined with Alex. Because Alex is Alex. That is kind of the point saphojunkie is making.

And we're not talking about bombs or being a deep threat, either.

Not including last year he averages 6 catches a SEASON beyond 20 yards.

The majority of his catches before Smith are 1-10 yards according to those stats and those numbers didn't drop.

So what you are bent about is the 5 catches over 20 yards over the entire season he didn't make with Alex.

OMG!

But production in the 11-20 yard range declined, too.

Alex likes throws under 10 yards. Nice and safe.

All of those passes are sectioned off where they are caught, not where they ended up.

For instance, Bowe catches a 7 yard slant and takes it 30 yards... that is filed under the 1-10 yard category.

He might be a catch and run guy, but he still caught significantly fewer passes ten yards or more beyond the LOS.

I like Alex Smith a lot, and I think he's entirely capable of leading this team on a deep playoff run. But I'm not going to say Count Zarth is trolling for saying Smith isn't throwing downfield when the numbers CLEARLY support it.

I think Reid and Smith would do well to make sure there are more downfield looks going to Bowe. The interesting question is why he's more successful down there. Is it because those passes ten to end up higher in the air, where he can use his size and strength more to his advantage over a smaller CB?

Yea he is averse to throwing 11 yards. There is 50 yards difference between last year and 2012.

Look at those numbers and realize we are talking one or 2 throws a game difference.

Huge difference right. And Bowe dropped more balls last year than I ever remember.

BTW remember the Baltimore playoff game when Bowe had exactly 0 catches? How does that compare to Indy?

You are splitting hairs. Thats splitting a log.

I think they just need to focus on the 11-20 yard range, where he averages about 20 YPC for his career.

Those two catches a game are 40 yards of production, though. If it's not that big of a deal, then it should be easy to make sure to game plan them in.

Thats the area where you need to be able to fight for a ball and make a catch and he was very lazy last year going for the ball.

I have brought this up before.

He jumps up in the air when he shouldn't.(his entire career)

He tips too many balls into the air, last year anyway.

He lets defenders get in front of him getting position.

He stops on slant routes rather than running through them.


If you haven't seen this you haven't been watching the games.

I am talking 2 total. Not 2 in the 20+ range. Look at your numbers. And see my last post.

All of these bullet points are Smiths fault. /GoFraud

No. Bowe's numbers are down because Alex simply does not throw over 10 yards as much as Cassel did.

Period. End of discussion. The absolute 100 percent truth. There is years and years of data to support this.

Deal with it.

I thought that was a season...not a game.

Horseshit.

Years and years of posts support you are simply an agenda driven troll.

How do you explain Avery having a higher average YPC last year than he did with Luck and basically matching his career high at 14.9?

Baltimore playoff game Bowe = 0 catches

Indy Playoff game Bowe = 8/150

Cassel > Smith LMAO

I posted about all this when it was rumored we were getting Alex.

All the data indicated he did not even throw downfield as much as little old Cassel.

Lo and behold it came true, and Bowe's numbers declined as a result.

This is all original research from yours truly last offseason, read it and weep:

http://i.imgur.com/p4MZ8FK.jpg

And then of course there is this...

http://i.imgur.com/owaaxsC.jpg

Alex just does not like throwing the ball over 10 yards.

In one playoff game, sure.

But if Alex doesn't play like a real ****ing QB for 16 games he's a useless shithead.

We won't reach the playoffs if he doesn't...

Not this guy. I've known what bowe is for years. Just watching Jacksonville tonight. They have more talent from Ineligible WRs than KC has starting.

Bowe did not have a down year. He's at the top of his game and has been since 2010.

He just ran into Alex Smith. And with Alex Smith, the down field targets dry up, and you can expect your best WR to give you about 800 yards at the max.

It's sad. But that is what we've become.

You didn't answer my question Clay. Why was Avery's YPC up alomst 2 yards from when he played with Luck and matched his career high?

How can you defend an average player with motivation issues?

Right. Now Playoff games dont mater and regular season does.

Spin, spin, spin, spin.

He played a very good game, on the road, in the playoffs, and without his best player.

Still sucks.

They matter, but it's just one playoff game.

If Alex repeats the shit he did last year in the regular season, we'll win 6 or 7 games.

How can you defend a limp dick noodle arm retread who throws for 300 yards once every five years?

He wins. That's all that matters.

LMAO

Can't wait for this bullshit argument to get smashed this year.

Without a defense playing at an elite level Alex is helpless.

We'll see but I bet you'll be eating crow again. amirite???

Elite? No not true. He just needs a decent defense.

Epically bad he is just as screwed as Dallas, Atlanta, Detroit, and Baltimore.

Damn look at those QB's who cant win.

What was our record last year when the defense gave up more than 17 points?

1-6

So it goes.

You did last year.

Didn't you learn your lesson last year?

Yes. It convinced me more than ever that Alex is exactly who I thought he was.

We will never win jack with him checking the ball down every other play.

The chiefs are built around the defense. The chiefs are limited offensively.

Alex Smith is a care taker of an offense that lacks in fire power.

You are dense. You only think long ball. You have zero football iq. Your football intellect is all based on pff. You haven't had an original thought ever in that barely functioning brain of yours.

It's clear you were repeatedly mule kicked as a child.

Yet, you were 9-0 when he did that. Year two will be even better. Get ready for the pain!

Btw. If kelce is healthy, this offense offers an entirely different dimension.

And before you flap your gums clay, alex Smith was never afraid to go deep to vernon.

Ron Parker and Marcus Cooper are our starting corners.

And you say I have zero football IQ?

This is the year of reckoning for you. Alex Smith will crash and burn and I will dance in the flames.

The corners are not the problem. Getting pressure was the key to the defense. When hali and houston got hurt, the chiefs started losing games. They added talent with dee Ford, Sean Smith will start. Parker will be lucky to make the team

Do you actually cheer for the chiefs during the games?

The chiefs have like 15 draft picks next year. A down year would not be the end of the world.

Tebow!!!1!11

Nah. I read an article on it. They were saying that the chiefs are going to build this team completely through the draft and thus will be the definitive draft for the Dorsey, Reid regimen. I believe in alex Smith, but I'm baffled as to why they barely upgraded the offense. Oline and receivers.

15? How?

do it one year, it's a fluke. Hell even Cassell did it one year. Dilfer won a superbowl as did Brad Johnson.

Do it 3 years on two different teams? Not so much.

Hi! I'm hear for the Dwayne Bowe discussion thread.

sorry, the Geno Smith thread is that way _->:D

Starting when?

With this next draft. I'll post the article when I get home

Because of who they lost to FA.

Reports have speculated the Chiefs "should" be rewarded w/ 4 comp picks...which should total to 11 picks with the 7 they already have. I don't think 15 is the right number of picks, that seems a little too high, unless the Chiefs already have more than 7 picks that I'm not aware of. But I thought they have 7 picks originally, then will receive 4 comp picks.

lolz at the dishonesty.

The offense scored 27 on avg in Smith started loses.
The defense allowed 34 on avg in those games.

If only KC could of been as good as Geno and the Jets in loses.
Avg of 10 points scored.
Or 49ers with Kaep 1 better at 11 points.

Chris Carter and Mike Greenberg were talking about Bowe this morning on ESPN. Carter said it would be very difficult to dislocate the same finger 15 times. He also said that if he is having finger issues he will have a crap year because not only will he not be able to catch the ball, he won't be able to use his hands to get off the LOS.

More than 17? LMAO We lost those games giving up

27
41
35
23
27
45

Thats an average of 33 points Idiot. The offense averaged 24pts a game last year.

17 means nothing except the number of times you probably **** up in a day.

That's what everyone used to say about Bowe. "Imagine what he could do with a decent QB instead of Cassel?" Then we get one, a QB who completes >60% of his passes and never turns the ball over, and Bowe's numbers collapse - even though there's only one other legitimate weapon on the offense.

Still no sign that Tiecher deserves a paycheck.

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SMH

Apparently tied to the arrest last year.

Mother ****er. Wouldn't that mean Sean Smith is going to be suspended a game or 2?

- CBS Sports

Critical thinking skills..

Alex Smith is a different case. He's hyper conservative and has historically been known to favor RBs/TEs in the passing game. Even if you just go back 3 years, like most Alex Smith ball washers do, he's played with some pretty good WRs and none have sniffed 1,000 yards.

I mean, is this shit hard for people to understand?

What's hard to understand is how everyone ignores multiple reports by guys who watch game film for a living that Bowe was slower than a TE last year, and instead blame Alex Smith.

Teicher: No sign yet that Bowe will bounce back
 

I never read any of those reports. I did read posts from jackasses on this site screaming that none of our guys get open. Then I open a new thread to see some random ass gif of our guys clearly getting open..

Anyway, chiefnj or whatever his name is just posted the "Offensive Identity" thread in the Lounge. Go check that out. We targeted our RBs more than our WRs. No team in the league even came close to the percentage of passing plays targeting RBs as opposed to WRs that we had.

"Ahh, but Andy Reid's West Coast offense!" Shuuuuuut the **** up.

% of targets to WR/RB is a function of many variables, including the ability of WRs to get open.

Right, but when you've doubled the percentage of damn near every other team in the league, you have a pretty strong case for saying the QB needs to look down field more often.

I find it hard to believe the Titans, Rams, Jets, Raiders, Panthers, etc have WR corps that much better than ours. None of those teams even eclipsed the 20% of total targets to RBs mark. We eclipsed 45!

I mean, shit. With that "Offensive Identity" thread and Clay and Saphojunkie's posts highlighting the extremely lopsided down field passing chart, is it really ****ing hard to grasp why a guy that averaged over 1,000 yards per season would come in and only go for 600?

After the bye week, the Chiefs offense played well. Whether Bowe rebounds this year or not, if the O-line blocks as well as they did post-bye, I think we'll have a good passing offense, regardless of the defined position of the receiving targets. I know I am in the minority, but I thought Alex Smith played well last year, and expect him to play better this year, if the line can block.

Well, the good news is that he won't drop any balls against Tennessee. The bad news is that it was actually one of the few games where he might have put up some decent stats because he would have been going against an average corner.

Alex Smith isn't terrible. I would never make that claim. What he gives you makes him just about average- anywhere from 12-18 in the league to most people, I'd guess. It's just that he's so hyper conservative that it makes him hard to gauge. We really haven't seen anything like him in the NFL.

Drew Brees and Peyton Manning throw to their RBs and short routes all the time, but those guys also sling the rock all over the yard and lead the league in passing in almost every major statistical category while propelling their offenses to top 3 territory year aftet year..

One thing is certain, he's going to have to play better this season than he did last year if we want to have a prayer of making the playoffs. All of those games with 185 passing yards and no TDs have to go. After 9 years in the league, or whatever he's got under his belt, he shouldn't have so much trouble moving the chains.

You just don't get it. Alex Smith isn't going to win those games. If he scored 34 the opponent would score 37.

He doesn't have what it takes to win shootouts.

You just don't get it. Alex is going to be our quarterback for the next 3-4 years whether you like it or not. If you don't think he's going to win, or if you don't want him to win, then why hang around? Why be a Chiefs fan?

You really really really really really really need to stop posting these kinds of statistics. They mean less than nothing. Less than nothing.

:facepalm:


I think I know what you're trying to say here, but that statement makes no ****ing sense.

Yeah they sure meant nothing when they pegged Cassel as the shit dick I knew him to be.

Having Dwayne Bowe on a team with Alex Smith is like owning a Ferrari and using it for grocery runs.

What GoChiefs means is that Alex Smith sucks at defense.

Remember the second half of the playoff loss?

Team loss.

Really? You pegged him as a shitdick after you wrote an article that basically was blowing him while tickling his balls with your tongue.


You started a thread about Alex Smith a few years ago raving about his skill set.

You are the revisionist history version of Nostradumbass.

Who cares? You know he's a waste of our goddamn time deep down.

You can feel it down in your plums.

And you are afraid to admit it.