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you don't have to praise him

but you shouldn't pretend like he's a terrible NFL QB

because he's not

he does make football a lot more boring for me, though, since I do like QB's who actually throw the ball down the field

Holy shit you are dumb

you can't read, at all

lol

He was benched and traded for a reason. He sucks.

Russel is a great leader... great chucker.. great make it up as you go... but he has been carried by one of the top defenses of the past 10-15 years

I usually don't read any of your garbage, that line just caught my eye. You got lucky.

ok?

and the Hawks with Russell at the #1 seed in the NFC aren't already potentially going to be rivaling those aforementioned dynasties

?

...?

Peyton Manning was cut.

Does he suck?

If Alex was willing to consistently toss it down field he would be elite. Thats really the only gripe I had about him as a niner and as a chief. He reads the defense.. make plays with his legs, extremely tough, smart, solid leader, plays the QB position as if's investing in some high stake stocks.. big picture kind've guy.. doesn't go for gaudy stats.. Nolan/singletary broke him. literally.

That's really a stupid post. Wow.

Matt Cassel led a Patriots team to 11-5

does that mean Tom Brady isn't any good ?

because he was on a team that was good enough to win games even without elite QB play?

Wilson makes his very good team a Super Bowl caliber team.

Tom Brady made his very good team a Super Bowl caliber team.

People trying to discredit Russell Wilson make me laugh. You really have to not watch him play to think he's not the most valuable player on that entire team.

Was Fivehead ever benched for the likes of Troy Smith, David Carr, Colin Kaepernick, Shaun Hill, and J.T. O'Sullivan in his career?

Oh wow, comparing Smiths situation to Manning and the Colts situation. Son of bitch our fan base is ****ing embarrassing

yeah. ain't gonna happen with russell

The entire defense and Lynch are all more valuable than Wilson.

He's just not good. Top couple of spots in the bottom half of the league. Twelve would be his absolute pinnacle if he had a brilliant season by Smith standards. Probably more in the 16 - 20 range on average. And paid like he's top ten. Woo ****ing hoo.

I know you're not intelligent, just based off your QB analysis.. but can you comprehend an Elite QB and an Elite Defense? Can you try to comprehend the likelihood of winning multiple and consecutive ships would be greatly increased.. more so than RW who often posts sub 200 yard games and average performances relying on lynch and game changing defense? Prob not huh?

oh

this is really brilliant insight

(I'm used to it with you)

the Seahawks are at -125 to win the NFC Championship

but again

thanks for that brilliant insight

that's just incredibly dumb

that's all I can say

It's 2014.

Marshawn Lynch is not more valuable to the Seahawks than Russell Wilson. It's literally the dumbest thing one could ever think. It's mind numbingly dumb.

I get excited for Alex being our qb like I'm excited bowe is our number one.

Are they both alright? Sure. Am I happy they're our best options at their positions?

**** no.

Dynasties are built on Superbowl rings, not NFCCGs. Seahawks are more than beatable neutral setting. Dallas has the best chance to beat them in that game you mention.

but I guess no one remembers how good Warrick Dunn and T.J. Duckett were at running the football when Mike Vick rushed for 1000 yards one season.

Marshawn Lynch has the easiest running back job in the NFL.

and, when Lynch is not on the Hawks next year, and one of their slapdick backups Turbin or Michael take over and there is NO DROP OFF AT ALL, I'll make you a deal and promise I won't say "told you."

Oh who am I kidding. Yes I will.

Wilson is great to watch btw. If you don't think he's Seattles engine then you haven't watched them much.

totally agree

no, its the defense first, then lynch and THEN Russel Wilson.

Prove why RW is the MVP of the seahawks.

totally agree

right now, on sportsbook, the Hawks and Pats are the favorites at 2.5 : 1

however, RobBlake said "ain't happening with Russ" so I certainly will not be betting on the Seahawks based off of this well researched and brilliant insight

so thanks a lot man; you really helped me out

Well, nothing quite like judging the overall quality of a qb off of his first 3 years, but considering he won a super bowl and likely will again, I'm sure he'd take that. He's got a lot of time to work on his game. History's going to prove you wrong.

Mike Florio thinks he has a shot at league MVP, but feel free to read this, since, like the article says, you clearly aren't watching Seahawks games:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...consideration/

But but but, he's "the engine"!!!

Last year, the Seahawks won a playoff game in which Wilson threw for only 103 yards and ZERO touchdowns against a typical shitty Rob Ryan defense in large part because Lynch scored two touchdowns.

The following week, they were down 10-3 at halftime until Lynch had a 40-yard rushing touchdown to open things up in the third and spark the team. Then the defense came up clutch with three turnovers in the 4th quarter.

Wilson is a game manager with the easiest job imaginable.

The guy probably followed Smith here and his NFCW hate is still strong.

If Brady or Rodgers had the kind of performance that Wilson had in that Saints playoff game, Hootie would be having a field day, and we all know it.

Since you think RW is a coin choice between Aaron.. you honestly think he would have the same success on a GB squad? just curious

Wilson in year three is what Alex wishes he was in year nine.

He may show some heavy game manager tendencies, but he can actually make big and awesome plays. Lynch won't have fun outside of that read option offense next year. Hootie has that right.

the Hawks were up 16-0 at halftime

you do realize that QB's stats do correlate with what's happening in the game

for instance

if a team like the Hawks are up by 2+ scores with the defense that they have, they are not going to be throwing the ball ... you know ... ever

that does make sense to you, right?

Wilson has made every play in every game he's ever had to make as a pro. His 1 playoff loss was the best performance I've ever seen in the playoffs by a QB.

His rookie year loss to the Falcons in the playoffs in Atlanta was legendary. It was the very definition of being clutch.

Absolutely 100 %

Russell Wilson is a winner. He'd be elite on any team in the NFL. Green Bay, Kansas City, Seattle ... doesn't matter.

I know this because I watch him play. I prefer debating with people who actually watch the games rather than quote stat sheets.

they are the same people who try and tell me Peyton Manning was carried to his only Super Bowl because he was 3 : 7 in the postseason

weren't the pats favored at 18-0 vs giants as you like to put it? idgaf about your sportsbook, but thanks for those "empircal" findings

Brady did have a very similar stat line in a plyoff game. The same things that have been said about wilson were said about brady early on.

Game. Manager.

If losing is clutch, then no wonder you think Fivehead is clutch! LMAO

By Hootie, even. But when Wilson does the same shit, he's suddenly the best QB and better than Rodgers.

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Alex game vs Indy was Identical to Wilson's vs Atlanta except he had 4 TD to Wilson's 2...and 0 picks to Wilson's 1. They both lost at the end. If Wilson's was the best ever then Alex was right there

brilliant

a QB leads his team on a perfect TD drive, down 5, and leaves 0:28 on the board and his defense ****s it up so therefore the QB cannot have been clutch since his team lost

just awesome insight

We can agree on this.

I guarantee i've watched as much Russell Wilson as you, and you are batshit insane.

Next your gonna say the touchdowninterception was a result of Wilsons jedi elite clutch skills too huh?

nah, his counter part in Kap had a more impressive post season sans the result in the Superbowl of that same season RW was legendary.

Alex led the Chiefs to 3 4th quarter TD drives in a game they were trailing by 20 at half and took the lead with 0:28 remaining?

I remember it differently, since I was at the game.

Even though I do think Alex played a really, really good game. That game wasn't on him in any way, shape or form. I blame the defense and Sutton for that one. And Reid.

And you blame Rodgers and Brady every time they lose in the playoffs.

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Kaepernick in that postseason was incredible, as well. Shit, I think Kaep is going to be awesome next year when his new coach lets him run the read option again. He'll be a steal in fantasy and the 49ers will win 10-12 games.

Harbaugh tanked the season as a **** you to his bosses. He's a ****ing prick. There is no explanation for the 49ers refusing to run read option other than Harbaugh's ego towards his bosses.

I bet everyone is back on the Kaepernick bandwagon next year when he's running the read option again.

A quarterback that can only run the read option and can't be trusted in the pocket in a pro-style offense is a gimmick at this level. Kraepernick sucks ass.

No, see, you're wrong.

Those two threads you reference ... the only purpose they serve for me (and I've stated this) is to show the board its hypocrisy towards Peyton Manning.

This board TRULY does blame every postseason loss on Peyton Manning. Any time he loses, no matter what, he chokes.

My only question was (and still is) why is it different for the other elite QB's?

And it'll never be answered because there isn't an answer. I'm here to balance it all out.

Of course, someone just told me since Russell lost that game to the Falcons he could not have been clutch, you know, since he lost.

So it's a lost cause on this board.

The thread I posted clearly shows that Fivehead has choked every single time.

Kaepernick does ****ing suck as a pocket only QB. Totally agree.

Once you give him back the play he's ran his entire life, it changes. There is no explanation for why the 49ers didn't use that play this year. None. And I can promise you the next guy is going to make it their base offense, just like Seattle. Shit, the 49ers would be smart to hire Bevell. In fact, I bet they do.

and I can match every Manning "choke" with a Brady "choke"

I've proved it. Time for you to move on.

Bevell completely caters to his QB strengths like a real OC should do

The read option is a gimmick. Pro-style pocket passing is what has consistently worked for the long haul. Always has, always will. Defenses are just too good for anything else. And Kraepernick sucks at it.

in order, here are the QB's I'd take in 2015 (1 year only - not considering future)

1. Wilson
2. Rodgers
3. Brady
4. P. Manning
5. Romo
6. Roethlisberger
7. Brees
8. Rivers
9. Luck
10. E. Manning

i don't think he intentionally did it cause he loves his players.. but the drama that York let out was too much on a team that lost in major games consecutive years in a row.. way to draining on a team.. esp. with the browns trade fiasco to start the season.

The rule changes kind of hurt niners offense.. and Roger hates seein his cheeseheads getting torched everytime they play the niners

Seattle runs 1/2 of their plays out of the read option. They run and throw out of the read option. It's not the wildcat. It's here for good.

No explanation on why the 49ers stopped using it. Like I said, Harbaugh is a bitter little prick and tanked the season.

Niners has so many injuries this season, they stood little chance.

Cris Collinsworth asked the same question on the SNF game against the Seahawks ...

why did they scrap the read option?

They NEVER run it anymore.

It doesn't make any sense.

rule changes, oline issues, injuries, trying to make kap a pocket passer... too many to list.. and stupid philosophy of conserving the offense until playoffs

Daniels, 157yds 0tds, 0int, team scored 19pts

Smith, 217yds, 1.2tds, .4int, team avg. 22.3 pts

That is pretty close. Especially with 3 days with the 1st unit.

Oh come now. You too can experience the unbridled excitement of being a Bowesexual. It will be wunderbar!



No, not really.

No.... Just stop.

Plus, NFL defenses have caught up to the read option nowadays. It's not a surprise anymore.

That's why, eventually, you have to play in a real, pro-style offense.

Meh, Daniel can run the offense...

But he's like my size - 6' and 200 lbs. Not exactly the stuff durable NFL QBs are made of. With no O-line, he would get murdered. That Steelers game would have killed Chase Daniel.

Alex Smith is a prototypical NFL pocket passer in size, athletic ability, and mobility. That's why he gets the nod over Daniel, that and experience.

What it all adds up to is...Al Smith is a starting caliber QB in this league and has started (and won) for every team he has played for since High school. Chase Daniel has started 2 games for 3 NFL teams in like 6 or 7 years and is 1-1.

It's not complicated.

For our fanbase, it actually is.

I'm not a fan, but Daniel should be 2-0 as a starter.

Yards per attempt: Alex 7.0, Chase 5.6. Not sure what people saw that led them to believe Chase was throwing the ball downfield.

what do you expect?

Ryan Leaf could have suited up and thrown 4 picks and lost the game and the band of morons would have said, "well at least he threw it down the field!"

This whole thread is about an argument no one is making, except for one supposed dumbass at Arrowhead. Not one person on this board thinks Daniel should be the starter.

You should read the first several pages of the thread. You wouldn't make that argument if you did.

So who said it?

Chase Daniel = 6th round pick

if we are lucky

Probably that -5 yard pass or all the dumpoffs or taking sacks in the redzone.

Smith daniels Donnie charlie Wong. Doesn't ****ing matter who's back there. Reid's offense is shit.

That's pretty much what it comes down to. I think Murray could be good in it once he gets some experience.

He was throwing the ball downfield. Doesn't mean he was at all accurate. But it showed that there were receivers who had a playable ball rather than the BS we keep insisting on that receivers are always smothered downfield. When the QB gives them a shot, receivers can actually make plays. Imagine that.

Yeah okay.

I'm not sure what agenda you're trying to drive here. Admitting the QB is terrible is an indictment on Reid too, since I know that's the point you're trying to drive here, since he's the one who insists on sticking with Smith/Daniel (it seems, at least). Not to mention enabling these guys with an overly conservative offense.

Smith has missed open deep receivers too. The receivers don't get much separation, but good QBs know how to get the ball to receivers regardless. Daniel missed on 3 or 4 aggressive passes, including a few in the end zone where a good throw gets the team 6.

No.

Back it up...further.....further....further....

aaaaaaand over the cliff with that horse shit.

Ok, to revisit this thread: we are 10-4 despite Alex being 19th in QB points added and 15th in total QBR. So the 2016 data proves we are clearly winning in spite of him. He's been total shit this month. You can negative rep me because I deserve it for sticking up for this garbage. I am on my way to turning towards the Dark Side.