I dont give a **** about the thread context. I'm commenting on Hootie's post, dipshit.

The argument that you have repeatedly stated "______ wouldn't have lasted the season" or "____ would have won less games with our team than Alex" is absolutely impossible to prove. So you can keep saying it, but it doesnt make any of it true.

Flacco is not an elite NFL QB. He isn't. But he is certainly better and on a higher tier than our QB.

:LOL:

LMAO

And CP gets its inherent wish...an AIDS filed dumpster fire of a 1st rd pick QB.

I love 'adults' who call people names on the internet.

It reminds me of Jr. High.

He is doing the SAME thing many of you are though.. just from the opposite spectrum. It's called wild speculation... on a forum... imagine that! ROFL

I love children that have problems following the conversation of a quoted post.

two second round picks + Kyle Orton would not have equaled more wins than Alex Smith

it's the same insane blabber that has been going on for years on this board

the same board that had a meltdown when we traded a future 7th and drafted Jake O'Connell

But I bow out. I can't talk Chiefs football on this board anymore. It's terrible. I'll stick to baseball and Manning/Brady/Wilson.

What if it were as simple as resigning Asamoah and Schwartz??

What if, what if, what if...

Guess what?? Smiff is the guy. If you love Geno's chocolate penis so much, become a Jets fan. Hell, they were so good this year, they're looking for a new coach. Again.

What exactly am I speculating?

I said that these players that Hootie claims are not as good as Alex Smith all have better stats than Alex does.

Then he states it is all about winning.

Well, all the players that Hootie claims are not as good as Alex Smith all have better team success than Alex does.

But yet, its ME that is speculating, right?

Where the **** does Geno come into this equation, you idiot.

I was never on the Geno bandwagon.

Kyle Orton = retired
Alex Smith = restructures
Chiefs Plant = reeruned

I'm just throwing shit at you so you'll call me names.

You're entertaining.

Keep it up.

J-E-T-S!!

I'm calling you by your birth name(s).

learn how to read, dumbshit 49ers fan... I stated "many of you" which was directed to the vague group of haters.. not any one point in particular that you made. But you make no mention of the wild speculation from them, so long as it fits in with your agenda. :p

I didn't say it would equal more wins, man. I even addressed that it maybe costs the Chiefs 2-3 wins over these two seasons.

The point is that something like that would have "accomplished" just as much in the short term (restore the roar! not be a laughing stock!) at a much lower price, while allowing picks to be spent on young players at positions of need that can potentially be part of the Chiefs future (Keenan Allen and Gabe Jackson would be pretty cool to have) and also freeing up more cash to spend on players like Justin Houston.

It's that, maybe the Chiefs TAKE Bridgewater at 23 this year if they don't have Alex Smith on board, and the Chiefs have that highly talented young guy ready to take over next year.

It's that Alex Smith isn't taking the Chiefs anywhere... just like a handful of guys who would have taken the Chiefs nowhere at a much lower cost.

No, actually you are doing nothing to me...

But proving an awful lot about yourself.

I'm not proving anything. You aren't the first person I've called an idiot and you certainly wont be the last. No, you are not a unique snowflake.

Lots of people, not so much comprehension.

I completely believe you.

I dont know how many times I have to repeat that I am not a 49ers fan, but you seem incapable of comprehension.

Are you 12? Sometimes you strike me as a child, and others you strike me as an old man.

You say "many of you" and quoted MY post. Am I supposed to interpret that as you talking about people other than me? Of course not. When I am having a debate with one poster and claim that what he is saying is baseless speculation, for it to have merit I have to quote every other poster who writes a speculative post? Thats absurd.

Do you care to address anything I wrote regarding football, or do you want to just continue with the personal attacks?

Great post, especially the point in bold. Couldn't agree more.

Must have something to do with numbers in the board name...

let's just go with the NEITHER option, and you can toddle back to the SF forum with your fist up your ass? That work for you?

****ing 9ers fans, man.

Go eat some Rice A Roni!! Kaep SUCKS!!

Lol its like this 9ers fan is trying to convince himself that Alex sucks, because they have gotta be thinking about buyer's remorse after all that's went down in the bay over the past 28 mos.

Why are you here? What pleasure do you derive from your activity at Chiefsplanet? I ask this not to be mean-spirited but out of genuine curiosity. You have taken a position that is opposite the majority and you have already stated your position thousands of times. What do you get out of this?

We already know that you like Alex Smith. We already know that you are not a Chiefs fan. What else is left for you here but incessant arguing with the majority who don't like Alex and are Chiefs fans?

I enjoy talking all aspects of Chiefs football.. and do so in a civil manner in many threads.

You could just as easily ask the many haters what they get out of pouring out the same hateful posts to light the fuse. We all know where they stand.. right? yet they proceed to whine and pout every day. So I often respond to their fits of rage and sorrow.

He's here for the shirtless pics of Alex in the Pics Forum.

Oh cool! where?!? where?!?

< runs off to find > :p

Keg makes an excellent point about Bowe in the quote from OTWP... the guy has been anything but a diva about the situation this year, how many #1's in the same position could anyone honestly say would handle it so well?

I got down on him early, but the longer it dragged on, the easier it was to recognize the what the real problem was... Alex Smith.

When Daniel can damn near get him a touchdown in his first game action of the year, it tells me all I really need to know.

I don't need to ask them anything. Theirs (and mine) is a frustration that has been escalating for decades and is boiling over with rage at an organization that makes the same damn mistakes over and over and seems somehow content, proud even, of their mediocre accomplishments. I've largely given up on this franchise so I'm less affected but I don't need any explanation from Chiefs fans that are still watching this shitshow.

BTW, you are not always civil and I can't say I've seen you discussing much about the Chiefs that doesn't directly or indirectly relate to Alex. You've nearly 7,000 posts here in the last two years and the only thing that stands out is your devotion to Alex. Are you sure you enjoy talking all aspects of the Chiefs? I think you may be deceiving yourself. That is not my perception, in any case.

Just my 2 cents. Carry on with whatever it is you are doing.

Could Alex Smith put up the numbers that Flacco and Stafford have? No.

Could they do what Smith does? Absolutely. Chase Daniel just did what Alex Smith does on half a week's practice in his second career start.

Again, Alex Smith looks average because he takes no risks, so you don't have bad plays/decisions to point out, and since few of us have All-22, you can't see the numerous throws he leaves all over the field.

Ultimately, a QB that forces a ball in a tight spot on 3rd and goal twice and gets a touchdown and a pick out of it has made better plays than the guy who chucks it into the stands twice, but the second guy "protects the ball," so he's considered the better player. It's bullshit. Second grade math, actually.

7/2=3.5
6/2=3.

Begone, prophet. Your truths are not welcome here.

LMAO :clap:

But both of those guys are statues, they'd barely be able to get off all of those long chucks behind this mess... and again, this isnt intended to absolve smith, just to point out that the line really is that bad.

75% of the time their back foot would just be hitting the 5th step before a defender came crashing down on them as they tried to sling it deep.

A ton of Bowe hate on Facebook.

Just a huge amount of ignorant fans.

:hmmm:

This sounds most plausible.

You win at the internet for today!!

I don't believe so.

Hudson, Stephenson and Allen in 2013 performed well enough that the Chiefs weren't going into 2014 thinking they needed anything but depth upon the offensive line (Fulton and LDT were proof of that thinking). Kush played well in the final game of the 2013 season, so there was no reason to believe that a backup center was needed.

Unfortunately, Stephenson was suspended and it was clear the coaching staff and front office kept him around as a last resort and were extremely disappointed with his decision making. Allen, who actually looked decent at right tackle, tore a muscle and was gone for the year at LG.

The front office and coaching staff had made no contingency plans for the loss of two starting offensive lineman and the line struggled all year.

Despite that, it would seem rather odd for the Chiefs to have invested in a starting offensive lineman in 2013 or 2014 other than Fisher, as the previous front office had invested multiple seconds and a third round pick the previous two years (Hudson, Allen, Stephenson).

Dont take it as a Smith defense, whatever you do, because that guy ruined me on him in three games like I've truly never experienced before.

Its just that either one of those other guys would get creamed atleast twice as much as Smith when attempting a 5-7 step drop.

The Alex Smith we saw during much of the winning streak was excellent. As I've said before, if Smith converts 3rd downs and closes games, his approach to the game is fine.

He didn't do that during their 9-0 streak last year and was grossly overrated (awful in the 4th quarter, awful on 3rd downs -- I think we ended the year in the bottom 10 in 3rd down conversion %). At the end of last year, he was scoring points but couldn't close games. At the end of this year, the Chiefs were something like a miserable ~30% on 3rd down conversion %. Alex Smith has shown flashes of being an effective QB. Unfortunately, they are mostly flashes and the rest has been awful 3rd down conversions + whiffing on 4 games this year where we had a chance to win the game on the final drive. Mostly in horrendous fashion.

Because if you take any team - say, a 6-10 failure like Atlanta - and look at their top 2 WRs (Julio Jones and Roddy White), then Bowe may be at #3.

In Chicago...Detroit...Buffalo...Green Bay...Denver...Cincy...Jax...Arizona...SD...****, even CLEVELAND has better WRs than Bowe.

He's a decent #2, he'd make a GREAT #3...

But when Bowe is your clear cut #1 (and it isn't even close), then your WR corps is dogshit.

Because Bowe isn't fast, isn't particularly smart, doesn't run great routes, doesn't have great natural hands...

He's just a big body, he runs a good slant. You can get him on a fade if the DB gets caught sleeping. He does good on drags and crossing routes too...

But he will never be Larry Fitzgerald.

I don't need you to defend a grown man, and he doesn't either - he's proven he's tough, look at the line that he started behind for 15 games - almost got him killed. LITERALLY.

Even IF one could accept Bowe as a very good #2.. and I do... the WR corps as a whole is still pretty shit-soaked. There is promise in midgets Wilson and DAT.. but they have a long road to go before being convincingly legit at WR. Avery, Hammond, AJJ, Hem? that is awful.

Avery, Hammond, and Hemingway need to be cut outright, except Hemingway is good on ST.

I think the only WRs that are even worth retaining are Avant, Dat, Wilson and (if he restructures) Bowe.

I'm officially done with Bowe. His play has not equaled his pay for the past two years. He doesn't work hard enough to catch tough balls and IMO, he's a #3 at best.

Any team that pays him more than $5 million next year is run by fools.

I would retain Hammond as the #5.. mainly due to the cheap and easy ERFA tender. Talent-wise.. he's okay as a #5 and shows some ability as a returner.

Avery can kick rocks. Bowe too, unless he takes a large pay-cut. I hold some hope that DAT and Wilson can be good in the #3/#4 roles.

I'd look to sign Avant if both Bowe and Avery are gone.

Those 70 yard screens to Priest worked wonders for Trent's ypa, didn't they??

JFC.

Bowe is TOP 30 AMONG ACTIVE RECEIVERS BY MEANS OF YARDS AND TDs

A great no. 3 receiver? You truly can't be this dumb. Bowe is a #3 WR only if he's got Antonio Brown and Martavis Bryant or Demaryius Thomas and Emmanuel Sanders ahead of him on the depth chart.

Fun fact, dipshit: Denver and Pittsburgh are the exceptions to the rule here, and note that in the latter case, the Broncos have just as much of a chance of going in to 2015 without Thomas as they do with him.

Dwayne Bowe a #3 WR. That's insanity.

are u suggesting that Fulton, McGlynn, and Harris are not exceptional screen blockers in space? how dare you, sir! :p

You mean Dante Hall?

Dwayne Bowe is a third WR. Alex Smith is a top 12 QB.

:spock:

Jamaal Charles has too much of an injury history, is too small and fumbles the ball too much, but he's the perfect 3rd Down RB in the league.

Except that pass to Knile wasnt a screen, it was an actual attempt by Reid to get his backs downfield with a head of steam before giving them the ball.

Been bitching about it for atleast 8 games this year... where was the CREATIVITY in getting those 3 playmakers the ball? Most defenses are far too fast to get away with constant screens, they're going to key on guys and chase them down sideline to sideline.

BUT... if you get that ultraquick back going forward at speed and making cuts, that backer or safety covering them stands NO chance at keeping up with them as they receive the ball.

I digress, but that was a major disappointment of mine with Reid this year... sure he'd throw to the backs, but only on a parallel line where defenses could more easily diagnose it and get to it.

Or Tate and Johnson or Marshall and Jeffreys or Fitzgerald and Floyd or Jackson and Garcon or Woods and Watkins or Wallace and whathisnuts in Miami...

There are a LOT of teams where Bowe would be #3.

Fact.

Deal with it.

At least he's dealing in reality. This vaunted majority you cite here, which is just a reeruned vocal minority stuck in narratives of the past, spends their time beating their meat to dreams of everything on the entire team being different, from ownership to management to coaching, but above all at quarterback.

You can't even discuss improving the line and receivers because of their naked speculation that either 'Alex needs the best line and receivers EVER ASSEMBLED to succeed' or 'we could have the best line and receivers ever and Alex would squander it all.'

Alex is STAYING, Reid is STAYING. Dorsey is STAYING. Clark is STAYING. Changes are coming at receiver and on the line. You can choose to pout about these things, or to insist that they doom the organization, . . . or you can accept reality.

Here's more of the cold, hard truth.

'Boot in Bowe's ass' was the best thing Haley did while here, unfortunately it wore off the instant Haley left.

WTF does top 30 among active receivers mean? If Steve Young came out of retirement, he'd be top 5 among active QB's, would that make him a franchise QB? Bowe has produced WR 2 numbers as a #1 the past 3 years. he's gone over 800 yards ONCE in the past 3 years. And that was a whopping 801 yards. 800 yards is WR2-WR3 type of production.

Crabtree in SF
Jeffrey in CHI
Sanu in Cinc
Woods in Buf was within 50 yards this season with more tds
Denver... no names needed
Gabriel from Cle(i dont even know who that is) was within 100 yards with more tds
Evans from TB
Floyd from ARI
Royal, Allen, Floyd, from SD.. Bowe would have been a WR4 on that team
Wayne in IND
Williams from DAL within 150 yards and 8 more tds
Landry from MIA
Matthews from PHI (he's their #3) more yards and tds

Thats just going down the list in alphabetical order. But there are only 4-5 teams in the entire NFL who have a WR2 producing less than Bowe.

Surely this has nothing to do with the fact the last two seasons he's reached career lows in terms of targets.

No one has said that Smith, Reid, Dorsey, or Hunt are going. That's as dipshitted a strawman as you'll ever see.

No is saying the Chiefs are set at WR or OL. In fact, everyone acknowledges that the guard and tackle play on this team was horrendous and that the WRs leave something to be desired, but if you actually look at a lot of other teams, the Chiefs are no worse than middle of the pack in skill position players. Charles is a top three back, Kelce is a top 10 TE, DAT is the false bill of goods McCluster was supposed to be and a Pro Bowl specialist in year one, and Dwayne Bowe is, at worst, a top level WR #2. And for Bowe supposedly needing so many boots in the ass he sure seemed to do fine his first two years here.

It's also not naked speculation to suggest that Smith needs better and likely won't succeed even with better. He had a defense with two prime HOFers , three additional Pro Bowlers (including record setting performances by age from a pass rusher), the best OL in football, the most athletically gifted TE in the history of football, a top 5-7 back, and he couldn't beat a 9-7 Giants team at home that scored 17 points in regulation.

You can't horde talent on teams like the 80s and you can't hide your quarterback. So yeah, people are going to want something different at quarterback because...gasp... you need something better at QB to win in the NFL.

Marty Schottenheimer's career is not aspirational.

That's not the point. The point is they are both journeymen quarterbacks the kind team generally use as a stop gap until they find one that is better.

Hi Hamas - Do you think DAT will have a comparable career to Percy Harvin? Maybe through his first 6 or 7 yrs - or however long PH has been in the NFL.

I'm excited about this kid and think him and Kelce will wind up tremendous. I'm not good at guessing or recognizing talent as most of you are, as I tried to believe in Linkenbach a few weeks ago - but srsly - how do you feel about DAT's future - maybe expand on him a little more, here.

No cheese doesn't help. It irritates the bowels and makes matters worse.

I think he's Dave Meggett minus the SNR gene.

What the **** is this thread.? everyone knows that the shit is easy now. Alex throwing 10% less yards and 30% less TD's is an indictment, not a positive stat.

I can make an argument that Alex is a top 5 QB. Just look at his win loss record the last five years. Stats are for losers.

'Boot in DJ's ass' was awesome too; fortunately, it seems to have taken hold, in DJ's case.

Too bad it wasn't Bowe with the bum wheel. DJ may never get anywhere close to his level.

Jason Avant can catch 40 - some odd passes for 500 yds and no TDs every year.

If some thick heads want to use the 'anyone could do what Alex does' argument, the same could be said about Bowe. Avant showed up here and was instantly the best receiver on the roster. And he had just been CUT. By Carolina. Another team where Bowe might be the #3 WR on the roster.

But the real point is : Haley was a lot better at maximizing a players effort and turning potential into production than people give him credit for.

It isn't 2010 anymore. The WR Whisperer is gone, and he took Bowe's 15 TDs with him. Fat Andy can't call Bowe a fat ass like Haley literally did. He's too nice. And fat.

They're all too nice. And fat.

Nice guys finish last.

Is that good? :shrug:

If I repped people, I would give you a '+1' for the truth.

Edit : top 5 is a bit extreme, but top 10 for sure.

I'll take your word for it.

Speaking of dipshitted strawmen, that's not what I said at all.

I'm talking about the contingent that think the entire organization is utterly doomed until most or all are gone. They might not believe it will happen, but they DO believe it must for anything positive to happen.

OH

oh boy! does this mean our defense will completely collapse next year?

Define "doom."

Alex Smith has never had a 900 yard WR. Oddly, in Colin Kaepernick's first year as a starter he got 1179 yards from Anquan Boldin and another 1062 this year. Once Kaepernick replaced Smith in 2012, Crabtree became an 85 YPG receiver (1290 yard pace), where with Smith he was a 55 YPG receiver (880 yards).

But Alex just gets ****ed by those WRs.

Clark Hunt is a businessman, and he makes a lot of money each year from the Chiefs.

He isn't from KC, doesn't live in KC - doesn't even go to every game - but he banks every dollar he can. The rest...he writes off on his taxes.

Until that changes, nothing will change except the names of the players they bring in and out.

I've seen it all my life.

Sutton was heard recently talking in his sleep, mumbling 'spinner' over and over again.

Crabtree was coming back from an injury in 2012, nice try though.

No thanks. Converse with willing others.