You cant just take Bortles 3 best games out and cherry pick his stats. Thats what got him on the list his ability to have a hot streak for a string of games. Thats how a team sometimes gets to the Super Bowl ala Flacco or Eli. Bortles has that ability to string 4 out of this world games together and carry his team. You take the bad with the good with a QB like him. He hasnt done it yet but he has the makings of it if the franchise ever compliments him and starts winning.

You can enjoy Alex Smiths effeciency and invisible touchdowns all you want but the fact remains that type of QB rarely makes the Super Bowl, Alex needed a historic elite #1 defense to get him there that set a bunch of records, and all those guys are now washed up or retired because they played so hard in that window for the 49ers. ( same is going to happen to your favorite Chiefs defenders as well ) It wasnt because Alex only threw 1 interception, they still shut people down with Kaepernick too.

So you enjoy the Trent Dilfers and Doug Williams game managers that take care of the ball and once every 20 years win a Super Bowl and Ill enjoy the gunslingers that toss it around the field and can get hot at any time.

To say youd take Alex Smith over any young QB in this game and that the Chiefs wouldnt be a contender, youre just lying to yourself and are a Chiefs fan content with mid tier QB play.

Where the **** did I say that? JFC, talk about putting words in somebody's mouth.

I'm not even saying Bortles can't/won't be better than Alex. I'm just saying the Bortles of 2015 was not. We certainly wouldn't have gone any further with him, and probably don't even make the playoffs.

Also, that's not cherry picking stats as much as it is not allowing 3 big games against shit teams with terrible defenses that still ended up in losses excuse how bad he was for the majority of the season. 13 of his 38 TD's came in those 3 games. You can't just ****ing ignore that.

He played 3-4 playoff caliber defenses all year and wasn't very good against either of them. Can we at least see him do it against a defense that isn't among the NFL's worst before we make ridiculous claims?

2012-Andrew Luck
2013-Geno Smith
2014-Blake Bortles
2015-Jared Goff

Why do the football gods hate us so much?

Bortles has nice potential, but it's not hard to pad stats when you're down in games week in and week out...

I'm not saying he isn't good, but he's got a ways to go before he's as good as he was ranked.

Then how come Alex can't do it?

Thankfully we don't get blown out very often anymore, but in games in which we were beaten soundly Alex has choked on dicks.

17-27 loss at Denver in 2013: 46% completion percentage and 5.1 YPA.

7-23 loss against Indianapolis in 2013: 57% completion percentage, 153 yards, 5.5 YPA, 0 TDs, 1 INTs.

10-26 loss against Tennessee in 2014: 54% completion percentage, 5.8 YPA, 1 TD, 3 INTs.

16-29 loss against Denver in 2014: 153 yards.

28-38 loss at Green Bay in 2015: <300 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, 2 fumbles.

21-36 loss at Cincinatti in 2015: 386 yards and 0 TDs.

Like to see Bortles work on his decision making, but that's to be expected from a second year QB. From a purely statistical perspective, he showed great progression from his rookie season. Yards, YPA, TDs, passer rating, 20+ and 40+ yarders all took a HUGE jump while his INT % fell significantly.

If he can limit his mistakes and up his completion percentage, we'll be talking about a top 10 QB, possibly even top 5 with all of these old timers retiring in the next 3-4 seasons.

It's also hilarious what and to whom people choose to latch onto.

This last season for Bortles was very similar to Luck's 2014 from a statistical standpoint while many elements of their game and surrounding circumstances also mirrored each other.

Bortles:

4,400 yards
7.3 YPA
35 TDs
18 INTs
14 fumbles

Luck in 2014:

4,700 yards
7.7 YPA
40 TDs
16 INTs
13 fumbles

They both had great receiving options with shit ass offensive lines.

And that's comparing a second year guy to a third year guy. If Bortles were the Chiefs QB id be excited as shit for the future.

Andrew Luck, who is treated like a God by many on CP, has a career completion percentage of 58.1.

Bortles: 58.7.

NFLN Top 100 Players of 2016 starts tonight. Which Chiefs make it?
 

And I'll tell you the major difference as to why the two are viewed at so differently: in 2014 the Colts defense allowed 23.1 PPG. The Jags in 2015? 28.

If the Jags had been able to hold their opponents to an average of 23.1 PPG last season they'd have made the playoffs. We probably still would have beaten them but I don't think it'd have been a 30-0 beatdown like we gave the Texans.

Alex threw for 290 and 386 yards when we were getting our shit pushed in by Green Bay and Cincinatti early last year. If he averaged those yardage totals over the course of a season, he'd have over 5400 passing yards. Lol.

If we had sucked all year, his yards, TDs, and INTs would have all likely been up from where they were.

Let's see if Bortles can play with a lead.

Some of these games the OL was horrific and others like the Titans the line was bad and Bowe was suspended so Donnie Avery was our only WR.

You're right about games like the Bengals though. We moved the ball but got FG's instead of TD's which is largely on Alex.

It's frustrating that there's flashes (Indy playoff game/Bills game last year) where he looks like that guy, but it's frustrating bc it's a rare occurrence and not the norm.

I understand that and you should not take this the wrong way because I'm not bashing Alex Smith, but as much as we complain about our offensive line being shit, the Jags probably had it worse.

Bortles was sacked 51 times to Smith's 45. Games in which the QB was sacked 5 or more times- Bortles: 4, Smith: 2.

Obviously that has a lot to do with the QB, but I highly doubt this board has spent much time actually watching Jaguars games so there's no need to go there.

Yeah, and in those games he threw 85 passes and could only muster 1 TD with an INT to go along with it.

Aside from that, in the other blowouts/convincing losses that I mentioned he didn't do much to pad his stats, which was my main point. 230, 153, 202, and 153 yards in the other games I brought up.

That's a good point. Bortles is a lot bigger than Alex so he probably has more confidence in the pocket.

FTR I would take Bortles over Alex heading into this season. He's gonna be really good.

It'll be interesting to see how his career pans out, along with some of the other younger QBs out there.

Bortles seems more like Brett Favre than any QB I can remember recently. I never liked Brett Favre though.

CP clearly hasn't watched Bortles and the Jags much. I don't think you guys are aware just how good Robinson and Hurns are, and how bad Bortles was for the most part in 2015.

Luck would probably have had a 45 TD season with that schedule they had and Robinson/Hurns (not to mention Julius Thomas for half the season too).

If Lee can become the player he is that will be another good WR but he nothing but a 3rd or 4th WR.

Yeah, but their offensive line SUCKS, like really bad. Black Bortles is where JJ Watt gets his 3 1/2 sack games all the time....

The Jags put everything on Bortles. Their defense sucked, their OL gave up 50 sacks and their rushing attack was 27th with 5 TD's and 1,473 yards.

Alex had a top 10 D, an improving line (only 26 sacks given up in last 12 games of regular season) and a top 10 rushing attack that scored 4X as many TD's and almost 1 YPC more than the Jags.

You put Alex in a situation where everything is on him for a full season and he fails miserably.
Bortles needs to work on his turnovers, but there's no doubt that what he brings to the table is more valuable than what Alex does.

I think Lee's one more disappointing season away from officially being a bust. Rashad Greene might take that #3 spot from him.

NFLN Top 100 Players of 2016 starts tonight. Which Chiefs make it?
 

That team is bad.

Only 92 rushing YPG and 5 rushing TDs on the season (2 of those TDs came from Bortles himself).

28 PPG given up by the defense.

Bortles couldn't afford to play like Alex does. Even in games in which he balls out they tend to only eek wins out by 3 points or less.

Completes 70% of his passes for 303 yards with 4 TDs and 1 INTs. No fumbles. They lose 31-38.

Completes 67% of his passes for 322 yards with 5 TDs and 0 INTs. No fumbles. They lose 39-42.

What does Alex Smith have to do with Bortles? All I said was that 205 Bortles was not better than 2015 Smith. That's it. I fully expect Bortles to be better than Alex in two more years if he progresses, and I'd obviously take him long term.

As for 2016, with our division, the NFCN, and the Bengals & Ravens on their schedule I expect him to go backwards before he moves forward. That is a completely different schedule than what they had in 2015.

Also, again it wasn't all on Bortles. He has one of the leagues best WR duos along with some other solid weapons in the passing game. They made a ton of plays for him.

So, we are just expecting one more, with Houston? Or is he not included since this is a forward-looking list and noone knew if he would be available?

He's on it. We have 9 and only 8 have gone so far.

Should have 10 with Poe IMO, but interior DL doesn't get a lot of love in these things.

Agreed.. too bad.

They do if they are really dominant and rack up sacks and stops for losses. Poe only had 1 sack last year, that's not gonna cut it on a list like this.

It's space eaters who typically don't get the recognition.

I understand why they kept him off, but I'm just saying he's a top 100 player. He will be next year. He's a better pass rusher than last years sack total indicates. He's healthy and it's a contract year. I expect him to have a career year.

So we have the most of any team in the top 100 but only one in the top 50? :hmmm:

Obviously it's not just CP that holds this opinion considering where Bortles landed on this list.

Nice to see the Jags finally do something right.

Jags WR Allen Hurns agrees to 4-year, $40M extension

And it got more backlash than any of the rest so far...

You aren't telling me anything I don't know. Most of you just clearly did not watch Bortles. I know quite a few Jags fans and they'd tell you themselves he has a long way to go. He was downright terrible at times.

I mean everybody on this board respects Sorter's opinions, he said he watched 6 games and while he was great at times, he was terrible at others. He's not there yet, that's all I'm saying. It is way too early to be calling him a fringe top 50 overall player.

Damn, I thought Berry would be higher than that. I guess kicking cancer's ass can only get him so far.

32 NFL teams get to pick 2 guys a piece to start the season with their franchise. 64 players get taken; you don't think Bortles is in the top 64? Some team won't make him one of their two picks?

I feel like I just described one of those poll games around here during the offseason with the 7593 heats

Yes, but that is because of projection. What he can be. Not what he was 2015, or today.

I've already said it, but I loved Bortles coming out and he was my #1 QB, so I'm not dissing him at all. The simple truth is the guy has all the tools to be a great QB, but he still has a long way to go.

These top 100 lists are a projection, bro.

It's the top 100 players of 2016 which hasn't even happened yet. These guys are ranking the best players heading into this next season.

Well, it is a list for 2016 so....

And like I said he will not be a top 50 player in 2016 when he has to face the AFCW, NFCN, and the Bengals. Not to mention their entire division should be better next year. People will think he regressed, but it will be a big learning experience for him. He's not going to get better playing a schedule like he did last year.

If the Chiefs drafted Bortles and he did what he did against the teams he did (meaning both the good and the bad), CP might be cautiously optimistic, but nobody would be agreeing with this ranking quite yet.

2 safeties left on the list. Honey Badger and Chancellor?

Honey Badger for sure, but Chancellor higher than Thomas? I don't think I'd agree with that. Can't think of who else it could be though.

He's going to get in shootouts with the Carr and the Raiders, Rivers and the Chargers, Rodgers and the Packers, Stafford and the Lions, Cutler and the Bears

NONE OF THOSE TEAMS STOP THE PASS and its been that way for the last like ten years. They just have QBs that can throw. He's going to be able to sling it with his fellow gunslinger QBs he plays against.

You make seem like outside the Bengals, Vikings, Chiefs and Broncos hes facing good defensive backfields that can hold him for under 200 yards.

Neither one of those D's are as bad as the ones in the NFCS and AFCS. Raiders and Chargers have the pass rushers to give the Jags Oline problems. The Packers, Bears, and Lions all have talent on defense, and in particular pass rushers. They all got better this offseason on that side of the ball also, especially the Raiders and Bears.

You're seriously underestimating how bad those two divisions are outside of the Panthers. That made up 9 of their 16 games last year.

Arguing the schedule for the upcoming season is nigh pointless. No one knows how these teams will fare.

What appears to be a tough schedule may turn out to be light work.

I'm not going to waste my time posting all the names because I'm sick of this argument, but look at the pass rushers they will likely be facing this year. They literally play the best of the best just about every week. It's like night and day from last year. Their Oline hasn't gotten much better in the offseason. I believe their only addition was Beachum. I understand what you're saying, but there is no doubt this schedule will be thougher. We already know how shit their schedule was last year.

Likely Weddle, McCourty, or Kam for the last spot.

I thought about McCourtey, but he doesn't get a whole lot of respect for some odd reason. He's never even made the list, which is bullshit. I'm thinking Kam. Weddle probably didnt have a good enough season at his age to be that high.

I say Honey Badger and Reshad Jones

It'll be Mathieu and Chancellor, but Malcolm Jenkins deserved a spot on this list.

Mathieu will be the highest ranked safety, I'd bet.

Chancellor will probably be second. The Seahawks lost some games and looked a decent bit better almost as soon as he came back in the lineup. I think people noticed that.

Reshad Jones already went, by the way..

what if its Kurt Coleman lol

OMG................Vomit

I saw Reggie Nelson made the list. This has to be a mistake. Someone on CP told me he was old and washed up because Raiders.

They are right. Careers die in Oakland.

I ****ing hate the honey badger.

He was a douche at LSU, but the kid can play at the next level.

I hate the name too lol.

Oh yeah, agreed. And he glossed himself that as well, iirc, which amplifies the douchiness a good five fold.

Yep.

Houston at #26

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-top100...Justin-Houston

Awesome.. well deserved.

Hoping for a quick recovery.

Honey badger don't care.

Sorry that this wasn't updated sooner. Have been extremely busy these last couple weeks, but it's about that time gents. One month to camp nearly!