Watch out Dane. Apparently, thinking we should and will win games like this makes you a homer.

I think it's more on the secondary in the first four games of the season than it is on Dee Ford.

Dee Ford's biggest asset is speed, but no speed a pass rusher can muster matters if the QB gets the ball out of his hands less than three and a half seconds.

At least the secondary will be better than what we had to start off last year.

Peters/Nelson/Gaines >>> Peters/Gaines/Flemming

In all fairness, the Chargers were decimated by injuries to key players last year. Rivers is still putting up good numbers. Getting them early and healthy is not the same as beating them last year. I still like our chances, but guys are right to be concerned. With Houston likely out, Rivers is likely licking his chops thinking about exploiting a clean pocket and a young secondary. Let's hope the defense doesn't give him that, because if they do, it's going to be a long game.

The Chicago Bears were a terrible team and both Alshon Jeffrey and Kevin White were out that game. I don't even remember the WR they peddled out there that week and we lost after having a big lead at home.

We should beat SD, but if we don't get pressure on a good QB like Rivers, it could result in a loss. Gates, Allen, Woodhead and Benjamin are a good stable of weapons. If Rivers has time to throw then it won't matter what our secondary does.

Andy always has these cluster **** games every year at home that we should win, but lose. In year 1 it was SD. Year 2 it was TEN. Year 3 it was CHI.

Yeah, **** those people.

The Chargers are an AWFUL football team. They don't have a running game, they have one receiver that's worth a shit (when he's healthy), they lost their future TE to Pittsburgh and their offensive line is shit.

Their starting center is out indefinitely, their secondary sucks and their overall defense is crap. They're a 4-12, 5-11 team at best. Oh, and their #3 overall (soon to be bust) draft choice isn't even signed.

But they're going to come into Arrowhead on opening day and beat the Chiefs.

Said no one with a brain, ever.

I think the Chiefs should win this game. So you are calling me a homer??!?!? **** you!!! You can go **** yourself!!!! RAAAAHHHHHHHRRRRRRR!!!!

I understand that Houston being out concerns you, but Hali/Ford on the outside and Howard/Poe/Bailey on the inside is still good enough to get a consistent pass rush.

Poe is in a contract year and I fully expect him to have his most productive year yet as a pass rusher.

The Chiefs had no identity, a completely jacked up offensive line, lost their best running back and had zero confidence.

If that happens in game one of the 2016 season, not only will I be shocked but it means their season is already in jeopardy.

This team has struggled against good QB's in the past when Houston was injured

14-3 lead vs SD 2013. Houston hurt. Result: 41-38 L
28 point lead vs IND 2013. Houston can't play hardly any snaps 2nd half. Result: 44-45 L
Brady not even touched and completes 3rd and long after 3rd and long. No Houston. Result: L
Barely beat SD last year without Houston.

We need Dee Ford to break out. I'm sure as hell not counting solely on the DL and an old LB with knee problems to put the heat on Rivers consistently.

2013 does not equal 2016.

It's a very, very different team.

Exactly, lets just ignore that we won 6 straight without him last year (and could've won 7+ if Maclin, Charles, Ware, Morse, and everybody else were healthy).

But Dee Ford is going to make or break our week 1 home game against the ****ing Chargers.

I think people are really underestimating our offense potentially stepping up and winning some games for us this year, especially early on.

That's the point. Derek Carr, JFF, Brian Hoyer and Jimmy Clausen are not Rivers, who we barely beat without Houston. It's a proven FACT that this team has struggled against good QB's without him, thus the need for Ford to step up.

We held the Chargers to 3 pts. Dee Ford was easily the MVP of the game.

We didn't barely beat them because Houston was out. We barely beat them because we put up 10 ****ing pts.

The Broncos barely beat the Chargers in week 17 with their SB defense and the division on the line. It's a division rivalry game. Shit happens.

:facepalm:

Screw anybody who messes our cap up not getting near the play for the $$ signed for.

The Chargers suck

http://arrowheadaddict.com/2016/07/2...hings-i-think/

Like I said and was then insulted Houston probably won't play until November. 8:30 mark on the pod cast.

Congrats, some random jackass does a podcast that supports your opinion. :rolleyes:

Suck cocks in hell, tard****er

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Tweets from BJ Kissel today:

"Top pass of the day at #ChiefsCamp went from Alex Smith to Tyreek Hill deep down the right sideline on a hitch-n-go. Result was 80-yard TD."

"Moments later, Hill ran similar route but cut it off, which created about 10 yards of separation as DB bailed to protect deep. 15-yard gain."

""I've never seen somebody that fast."

@Keivarae1 on Tyreek Hill.

Russell then apologized to college teammate Will Fuller."

Houston or no Houston, Rivers isn't going to have it easy at Arrowhead and he knows it.

We saw that last year when Houston was again out for the game. Dee Ford, bruh.

Cut that route off like his girlfriend's windpipe.

/CP

To be fair that girls baby came out white AF of course he would be pissed.

He beat that defender like a frail pregnant woman.

Is this how it's going be all season? Oh lord.

Also, fast speedy guys always do particularly well in practices without pads and no tackling.

Not saying Hill won't be a valuable player, only that our expectations shouldn't exactly go through the roof just yet. If he can be DeAnthony Thomas without the AIDS, that will be damn remarkable, and more than likely he won't quite reach that level.

He's significantly thicker than DAT (and faster), so I fully expect him to handle the physical part of the game better. I don't see any reason not to expect him to be as good, or better.

They uncharacteristically took a shot at this guy despite all that baggage for a reason.

we can quickly find 2 guys who think he'll be ready week1, but that does not make it so

Is it too early too start cussin' at Poe, telling him to pack his shit and GTFO?

CBS' Jason La Canfora reports long-term talks between the Chiefs and contract-year NT Dontari Poe "haven't really gone anywhere."

The sides had preliminary talks early in the offseason, but evidently haven't made any progress. Going on 26, Poe isn't going to be in the mood for a hometown discount as he positions for what's going to be the best chance of his career to cash in.

**** YOU POE! How dare you not position yourself for the best possible contract!!!

Poe's not going to be the top paid defensive lineman in the NFL. I'll be shocked if he's even close to Top Ten.

Poe's gonna want to be paid pretty handsomely.

What he wants and what his market is are two different things.

Unless you're an 8+ sacks a year guy, you aren't getting top dollar as a DL.

Any guesses why we selected Chris Jones this year?

Because he was the BPA on our board and a top 15 talent that came out a year early.

Yeah, and................c'mon, you know.............

Nothing to do with Poe.

Poe is a NT. Jones is a DE.

I believe Jones is a DT by trade. Probably play at all DL positions. Nonetheless, I think the Jones selection was a bit of a hedge against a potential loss of Poe.

The same thing was said about Jaye Howard, who signed an even worse deal than the best deal I was suggesting last summer.

I think they thought Jones was the BPA.

If they had drafted for need, they would have chosen a CB or safety.

If they've already approached poe and it's gone no where, I'd say he's gonna want more than you're thinking.

Not saying you're wrong. Just suggesting that Dorsey has shown to sort of "cover" his negotiations with potential key free agents with replacement player(s). Kinda thought that might've had something to do with the selection too.

BTW, I think Jones is going to be dynamic. I believe Our Lads referred to Jones as potentially the second coming of Richard Seymour. Anyway, I really the potential of Jones -- could be a stud.

I agree with what you are getting at.

My guess: Because Dorsey knows that back issues can be troublesome and that it'd be wise to not throw a bunch of money at Poe, for these back issues could be lingering. Most people I know who have had herniated discs, have had other various lingering back ailments following it.

I assume that when we drafted Jones, Poe was likely at least a component that influenced their decision to select him.

I'd imagine Poe's rep is gonna say "he'd be an 8 sack guy if he didn't play the nose in a 34 and could play DT and rush the passer more".

I'm guessing he's your tag next year

Wanting and receiving are two completely different animals.

As I've said all offseason, unless he has an 8+ sacks, he'll get somewhere between $8-9 million.

That's not chump change and it's more than either Bailey or Howard are paid but there is virtually no one outside of KC that views Poe as elite.

Still astounds me we signed him for that.

You guessing Fisher gets an extension? If so, what do you think the numbers will be for him, in terms of how much we should probably expect to pay him?

I can't imagine they won't extend fisher as they should. No clue on numbers.

Probably looking at another tag situation.

Lane Johnson's deal should be the starting point..

IMO, it should have happened already. The only reason I have to think that it hasn't happened is because the Chiefs shelled out dough for Kelce and expected to shell out dough for Berry.

The signing bonuses come out of the Clark's pockets.

I would be surprised if that's the case.

The tag will be somewhere around $13 million, which is way too much for a guy that isn't getting 8+ sacks a year.

Plus, as tight as the 2017 cap appears to be, I doubt they can fit $13 million for an NT.

It's just more proof that Chiefs fans overvalue their players.

Last summer, I suggested signing Howard to the same deal as Bailey, which was 4 years, $25 million. That was met with disdain.

Two years, $12 million is far less for Howard.

$6.5 million per vs. $6 million per. Yep, that is far less. :rolleyes:

:facepalm:

4 years vs. two years. He'll be 29 years old when the deal ends as opposed to 31 years old.

Duh, Stud.

Chris Jones was drafted for future need.

Poe-FA 2017
Howard-FA 2018
Bailey FA 2019

I think they want to have him replace Howard in 2018, but he could play NT if he bulks puts on 20-25 lbs (he has a very good tall frame for that).

It wouldn't surprise me at all if they go DL again in the first rd next year should Poe want insane $$ or has continued back problems.

OLB (if Ford doesn't show progress) or a S (Berry replacement) wouldn't surprise me either.

So what you meant was far less years, because in a salary cap league the only number that matters is the per year compensation and guaranteed money.

Bailey received $15 million in guaranteed money, which is more money than Howard will receive in two years.

Can't imagine that they'd draft a safety at #1 (not that it's what you said) as I honestly think Dorsey doesn't want to sink that much into the safety position. We seem to fill said position quite well with "lesser" guys. But then again, there's the old BPA thing, so it might work out that it'd be a safety. Then again, if they should sign Berry, I guess my theory goes out the window.....which sadly, wouldn't be a first.

So you let him walk?

I think a team will overpay for Poe, much like the Raiders overpaid for Hudson. Some team with a need and too much cap space.

If he returns to his old self, it will be hard to overpay him. If he has a meh kind of year, I agree, some team will overpay for the potential. Which honestly he could reach, although getting juicy guaranteed money won't exactly motivate him.

Absolutely

Yes. I'm not paying a guy that gets 4 sacks a year $13 million.

Draft and develop. Draft and develop.

Hence Dee Ford and others, I think that's the direction they are trying to go, which is smart.

Me neither.

If Berry and Poe want Cleveland Browns money...they can go get it elsewhere.

Both are overrated.

The MVP of that game was San Diego's 3rd string RT. Let's not overstate what Ford did that day. It was a nice game, but against a player who had no business playing.

Offensive line play around the entire league is shit.

Miller faced some terrible RT's in the Broncos playoff run.

Mack got a huge chunk of his sacks against Denver's shit RT.

Also, Ford was on the right side the majority of the time going up against LT's fyi.

Poe is more valuable than you guys are thinking. We lose him you will see a decline in our defense. He's in his prime and we need to keep him. He will make a statement this year after fully recovering from back surgery plus being a contract year.

I agree hogfarmer. Everyone here seems to have forgotten how much our defense struggled before we got Poe. Everyone was clamoring for a nose tackle every off season. Remember the guy that the draftubators wanted in the 2nd round, then we got him in the 6th? Then we found out he couldn't read. His name escapes me. But the point t is, Poe took a while to find. He won't be easily replaced.

Dee Ford had his 3 sacks against the LT not RT.

We would still have a good DL without Poe.

Bailey and Jones at the ends and Howard at NT. Plus Williams, Taamu and a couple others have a chance to shine, too.

I'd give Poe 10/yr and I'm not so sure even that much is getting max bang for the buck.

True. Quite possibly the worst LT to ever play an nfl snap.

Damion McIntosh?

The 6th round guy...was that Jerrell Powe?

Hairston

I wouldn't doubt it if Howard wanted that. Gives him another opportunity to get that big contract on the right side of 30.

I believe that's correct . Illiterate he WAS !

LMAO, I know, I was just joking.

SackIntosh is still burned into my brain

Come on, man. Who wouldn't take a 4 year, $25 million dollar deal with $15 million guaranteed over a 2 year, $12 million dollar contract?

There's no guarantee that Howard stay healthy enough or plays well enough to sign another contract in 2018.

Take the money and run. Unfortunately for him, he didn't even generate that type of interest in the NFL.