Horseshit. He did have a great defense, but Brady was no Brad Johnson level Super Bowl quarterback his first years in the game.

Stop trying to de-value Brady in an attempt to make Alex look better just because Alex's stats were in the same relative ballpark as his. You look ridiculous trying to do it.

I went ahead and did the legwork on how many come from behind wins each guy has, total

Alex = 16 career come from behind wins
Brady = 37

Since 2013 when Alex got here

Alex = 6 come from behind wins
Brady = 12

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...cks_career.htm

Not that anyone really needed to see this graphic to understand Alex isn't in the same league as Brady. Well, anyone other than TigerUpperBob, that is.

This is the point where bob just leaves in shame.

In most of those comeback wins, Adam Vinatieri drove the ball downfield to set up his own field goal.

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Tigger and Dane(unfortunately)are full reerun in the football department these days, sadly. I love Dane, but here we go:

I spot Alex Smith PRIME YEARS, the following players:

Jerry Rice
Randy Moss
Wes Welker in the slot
Marcus Allen
The entire 2003 Chiefs O-line
The entire 1997 Chiefs defense WITH Neil Smith.

The result?

Reid gonna' Reid, and Smith gonna Smith.

Absolute Ceiling:

AFCCG LOSS.

There it is. The hard, unyielding truth that you must and will accept.

Good day sirs.

Alex Smith got to the NFCCG with a lot less. You underestimate him due to your bias.

You're not helping your case. I provided statistical facts that showed BB did not use Brady as a gun slinger in those first 4-5 seasons. thus he played like an elite game manager. Russell Wilson type numbers his first two seasons.

How is this hard to understand??

Tom Brady's first 5 seasons in the league -

2001 - 2,843 yds, 18 TD's, 12 INT's
2002 - 3,764 yds, 28 TD's, 14 INT's
2003 - 3,620 yds, 23 TD's, 12 INT's
2004 - 3,692 yds, 28 TD's, 14 INT's
2005 - 4,110 yds, 26 TD's, 14 INT's

Alex Smith's 5 BEST STATISTICAL seasons in the league (noting that Alex has started 16 games only three times in his 12 year career) -

2011 - 3,144 yds, 17 TD's, 5 INT's
2012 - 1,737 yds, 13 TD's, 5 INT's (10 games started)
2013 - 3,313 yds, 23 TD's, 7 INT's
2014 - 3,265 yds, 18 TD's, 6 INT's
2015 - 3,486 yds, 20 TD's, 7 INT's (noting he threw the ball 78 more times than he did in '14 for 221 more yards in '15)

And just for shits and grins, Russell Wilson's first four years in the league -

2012 - 3,118 yds, 26 TD's, 10 INT's
2013 - 3,357 yds, 26 TD's, 9 INT's
2014 - 3,475 yds, 20 TD's, 7 INT's
2015 - 4,024 yds, 34 TD's, 8 INT's
BONUS - Russell Wilson has the exact same number of come from behind wins in 4+ seasons as Alex Smith does in 12 seasons with 16


So in conclusion, get the **** out of here with this silly ass shit.

Foles was awful. He'd get slaughtered by a winning team.

Yep, no difference.

:facepalm:

Man, I really hope you didn't spend too much time on trying to make that case that other QB's aren't as necessarily good as Tom Brady.

T - I - double derrrrr

That spells TiggerBob

Worth it, considering who I was dealing with

Bowser if you're going to compare Smiths yards you have to include his rush yards too... Unless you don't want to provide the full facts

I clearly stated Russell's first two seasons which includes his super bowl run but to move the goal posts Bowser lists 4 years worth.

Clearly you are desperate to prove me wrong

Facts are facts.

Has Foles lost a game as a Chiefs yet?

Literally all the man does is win!

This is a ridiculous post

Yea let's get him an osweiler contract before he walks..

The full facts are this - it wouldn't matter if I listed them or not, because how many signature wins did his rushing bring either us or the Niners as compared to what Brady or Wilson have done? I'll help you out - it helped the Niners beat the Saints in the NFC divisional round, that's it.

You're the one pulling a groin muscle here (not to mention making yourself look like an idiot) by trying to compare Alex to either Brady or Wilson. Alex is a good quarterback whose strength is not turning over the ball. Alex is not an elite game changing QB as Brady and Wilson are. That explains why Alex only has 4 wins against teams where his defense gives up 24 or more points. He's not a QB that can win you games coming from behind late. But you know all of this.

Oh, you're doing the heavy lifting yourself but don't even realize it. Maybe you do, I don't know.

On the opposite side though, he is top 3 in protecting a lead and making sure the team comes out with a W

Just because I'm bored -

Alex career rushing - 440 att, 1,975 yds, 9 TD's

Wilson career rushing - 436 att, 2,474 yds 12 TD's


And Wilson has done that in 4+ years compared to Alex's 11+

Good call bringing up the rushing stats! LMAO

Also known as being a top flight game manager. No shame in it when his teams win, but again, he's just not a guy that is going to rally a team down 10+ in the 4th quarter.

We've had way, way worse QB's here in KC than Alex, but let's not start pretending that he is one of the very best in the league. He is an above average guy as a quarterback. Coming from a guy that had to sit through the Brodie Croyle and Tyler Thigpen years, I'll take it.

But we have to keep the TigerUpperBob's in place when they start getting out of control with this stuff.

Jesus Christ bowser can you even stay on topic. You are as bad as clay moving those goal posts.

It's already been established here, far worse quarterbacks than Smith have won the title. Team effort. But primarily, defense wins rings. Just ask Peyton, Brady, Rodgers, Roeth, Flacco, Eli... None of those guys have won it carrying their whole team. The closest to doing that was brees and that only happens once in a blue moon

It's already been explained to you that Tom Brady was top 10 in yards and TDs his 2nd, 3rd and 4th years in the league.

Rodgers was 5th and 4th the year of his SB.

Flacco was 14th and 17th

Eli was 12th and 9th.

The WORST of that group was Roethlisberger as a rookie, and even his 21st YPG was > than Alex has ever been, and he would have been top 10 in TDs had he started all 16 games.

Please just stop this madness. Alex Smith is currently 26th in YPG and has fewer TDs than Case Keenum. This team is going to need an absolute miraculous defensive revival with Houston returning to 100% to get close to a SB while Smith is here.

If this is how you feel, it is certainly close enough to my opinion of him to not bother spending time arguing about it. :thumb:

Do you consider him to be an elite QB??

You're the one that invoked Brady's name in comparison to Alex.

You're the one that invoked Russell Wilson's name in comparison to Alex.

You're the one that brought up rushing yards.

You're the one that gets to eat a shit sammich.

So you're saying that Alex is good enough to manage an offense to win a championship if he has an elite level defense backing him up? Yeah, I won't disagree with that. I also think about 25-28 quarterbacks in the NFL would be good enough to win a championship if they have an "elite" defense on their team. Is that the point you're trying to make, that defenses win championships in spite of their offenses?

I don't "hate" Alex, but I don't love him, either. He's better than a JAG. He won't kill your team, but he won't pull it out of the fire in crunch time, either.

You sound upset. Not once did I ever say we had an equal or better chance of winning all with Smith over those two. Clearly, the original point was that Smith has shown efficiency that a large percentage of quarterbacks produced when they won a ring

I keep thinking back to 2013.. and if the crunch-time perspective changes one iota on him.. if Dwayne Bowe can just tap that second foot in bounds. :(

Elizabeth ignored another question of mine!!!! I guess that means he threw in the towel, big time!!!

Your question was and is reeruned. Of course, I don't think Alex is elite. I never did.

Jeesh!!!! I was just wondering!!!!! Grumpy pants!!!!!!!

Wait a second, it just hit me that you answered to the name, "Elizabeth."


:hmmm:

He's actually the worst kind. He won't win you a Super Bowl, but he won't take you to the top of draft to replace him. The 8-8 to 11-5 type.

It be cuz idgaf what name someone wants to call me... as evidenced by my embracing Sandy Cheeks.. given to me by... Flops, maybe?

It was clear you were talking about me. So, hello.

http://star98radio.com/wp-content/up...ve-on-Boat.gif

Whoa, what was your name on here before it became Sandy Cheeks? Was it AlexSmithFan, or something??

Some of these anti-Alex posters really channel their inner dumbass

Foles has more upside. Alex has peaked, Foles hasn't.


Nick Foles led the Chiefs to 19 offensive points and 187 passing yards yesterday.

The Chiefs have had less than 19 offensive points and less than 187 passing yards in 25% of Alex Smith’s starts in Kansas City (13 games).

But what about their rushing yards?...

You realize our offense as a unit in 2015 was top five in points per offensive drive? If Smith is leading the offense and the running backs are feasting inside the ten yard line, it would be misleading to say Smith isn't contributing
To the success of the team.

Efficiency plus wins is enough indication to me that Smith is a quality quarterback. Hard to refute that . ...

Weren't we like dead last in offensive yards last year ?

Can we put that on smith

What about their concussions from running?

What about his hidden yards and hidden TD's?

What makes the Patriots so dominant over the last several years is that you have to beat them, they aren't going to beat themselves. The Chiefs fall into that category right now too. Especially with Alex taking care of the ball. We have an identity for great turnover differential and low penalties.

This is the reason why the Chiefs have the best chance to defeat New England in the playoffs.

I dont know how we are ever possibly going to replace the 9 rushing yards a game that Alex is averaging more than Foles this season.

LMAO

Give it a rest dude.

This schtick is old and tired.

WTF? Is this true? No way Alex has been that bad.

Where the **** have you been?

Haven't seen you post in years.

And yes, Alex has been that bad.

2013 - 4 games scored 19 or less. 2 W's, 2 L's
2014 - 6 games scored 19 or less. 6 Losses
2015 - 4 games scored 19 or less. 2 W's, 2 L's
2016- 4 games scored 19 or less. 1 W, 2 L's

19 points seems to be the Chiefs magic number.

If they score 19 or less, they've won only 5 games while losing 12 for a winning percentage of 41.7%.

It's not all on Smith. Reid's play calling has been atrocious at times. He's misused personnel and in 2014, had several games in which the team was completely unprepared (Tennessee, SF, Denver and Arizona off the top of my head).

This team plays well when Andy's game plan works and they're below average when his game plan sucks.

I dont think they were necessarily unprepared in 2014, they just didn't have much talent. It was basically Charles and Kelce and a bunch of Jags.

I have been patient with you to actually generate good conversation on this board... Old man river is going to the ignore list with the rest of the deplorables like pawn, nwo, oak and sauto

They were destroyed by a Titans team that won 2 games that season. The 49ers game was completely winnable but Andy turned away from the run game, so they lost. The Chiefs lost to a 2nd string QB in Arizona, which was ridiculous.

Anyway, the bottom line is that if a team can't score 20 points, most likely, that team is going to lose.

Really?

In what way?

LMAO

A ****ing 5-time (or more) mult has been patient WITH ME.

That's ****ing comedy gold.

Thank you for putting me on your ignore list, now I don't have to see you respond to every post of mind with mindless drivel.

Seriously, Bob. I really do appreciate it.

About as much as your Uncle appreciated the hummers.

Really?

Look up.

I'd like to hear it from you as you were the one that voiced that opinion.

The Chiefs have had less than 19 offensive points and less than 187 passing yards in 25% of Alex Smith’s starts in Kansas City (13 games).

In this era of football, that's not good.

1/14 third down conversion.

Fantasy. Football.

If Foles had "more upside" than Alex Smith, why was he cut by the shitty Rams?

Why wasn't he offered a starting gig somewhere like Cleveland or the Jets?

Why wasn't he at least in competition for a starting gig anywhere?

What results are you looking for?

First Downs?

Well apparently, Sacc, when the Chiefs lose, it's Alex Smith's fault.

When the Chiefs win, it's because of the defense, special teams, the ground game and Reid's play calling.

Duh.

Been gone on a trip to Green Bay... is this still a thing after Sunday's game???

dammit, if only we were undefeated.

I'm not sure where I mentioned Foles at all.

Someone else did, I did not.

Sorry, but in this era of football - 19 points (OK) and 187 yards passing (TERRIBLE) doesn't cut it when it matters. JMO.

This team goes as far as the defense carries them.

If you weren't being completely disingenuous right now, you'd realize that the people that make every excuse under the sun for Alex sounds exactly the same. Just on the other side.

If "all he does is win" then the losses are on him too.

Anyone that is remotely rational knows the defense carries this team.

I'm not being disingenuous at all.

Alex Smith isn't a Hall of Fame QB. Period.

But the story doesn't end there because all people like yourself do is denigrate his performances, good or bad, and compare him to Brady, Brees, Rodgers and even Rivers.

He's none of those guys and never will be.

He IS, however, a guy that can win a shit ton of games and with just a little luck (i.e., health) can push a team to the Super Bowl.

If you watch the games that's pretty accurate many many times.

He can win a ton of games on the back of a great defense.

Otherwise?

Not so much.

19 points is most likely not enough to win games. As I pointed out, the Chiefs won 5 and lost 12 when they scored 19 or less.

But to be fair, half of those losses occurred in 2014, when the Chiefs had shit at WR. Dwayne Bowe was a fat pig, Donnie Avery was invisible and injured most of the year, just like Anthony Fasano. It's pretty amazing that they were able to win 9 games that season.

Take a look around the league. When offensive lines struggle, running backs struggle and wide receivers struggle, teams, regardless if they're the Ravens or 49ers or Cardinals or the Colts, a long playoff push is unlikely.

Just like Denver and Carolina last year. And the same can be said for every team except for New England.

So, it didn't matter in 2014 that the starting LG was out for the year in Week 1, Avery and Bowe were invisible, as was Fasano. Kelce was just getting up to speed and the offensive line was a mess?

Houston had 22 sacks that year, so why didn't the Chiefs make the playoffs?