LDT has his run blocking faults but he's a stud in pass pro. That's what matters most of the time. I want a mauler LG. Our OL is set for the next 5 seasons.

Getting Ehinger back will fix most of the problems we had last year. If LDT improves like he did from 2015-2016, this will be a solid deal.

staylor? Where in the hell have you been? Or did I miss something..

I've been back for a couple of months! Mostly been posting in the draft section though. Got really busy with work during the middle of the season due to losing a couple employees at once. Good to "see ya" though buddy!!

Ahh, damn, well good thing you're back. Same to you!

LDT got a 41 million dollar deal? Doesn't Dorsey know that his jersey sales don't even rank in the top 300? Bad deal, not a household name.

alot of that is alex smith and his 0 ****ing pocket presence. He has ****ing almost none. Run blocking has been an issue though.

One of the most talented teams all around, we just have a QB that is holding this ****ing team back by playing not to lose instead of playing to win.

Its really hard to get excited when your 20 million dollar QB throws 15 touchdowns and seems to be regressing.

LDT gave up 1 sack the whole season and 0 pressures the 2nd half of season...with Alex Smith as his starting QB.

Underrated post is underrated.

You realize that the part in bold doesn't make LDT look better, right?

1. Alex Smith throws the ball as fast as he possibly can. It's part of what everyone hates about him. He dumps it off at first opportunity. That makes the job of Oline easier, they don't have to hold blocks. I believe they said that Smith throws the ball is like 1.3 seconds. I think it was the fastest in the league.

2. Alex Smith is also mobile and runs scared as first chance. That may hurt the OTs but it helps the interior because Alex usually runs sideways and backwards.


It better be so backloaded that he doesn't see 75% of that contract because it is too damn much money for a guard that isn't elite and dominant.

Our offensive line is average at best, yet we are paying like we have the Dallas Cowboy Oline.

He's been known to take unnecessary sacks.

Larry has been good in pass pro, but he nor any of the rest of the OL looked any too good run blocking. I'm hoping for exactly the same thing as you, improvement in functional strength and run blocking.

I'm not especially high on Ehinger and I think the jury is wayyyyyy out on him yet, but we'll see.

I think the Chiefs could have improved in both spots, but its obvious this is who Andy wants out there. I don't particularly trust it just yet, but I guess we're going to find out.

we give this dude 8 mil per year

but we couldnt get albert paid so we had to use the 1.1 on Fisher the Fatty who couldnt figure out if he played LT or RT and blew a once in a generation 1.1 draf pick

really cool.

Not hating on LDT but wtf

LDT is young and barely in his prime. Albert was clearly on the verge of becoming a brokedick. It's not really the same thing.

Who's fault is it that we had the #1 pick in the worst draft in recent memory?

This is a strange post.

By beiing broke dick do you mean going to the pro bowl like a year later?

By brokedick I mean not playing a full season since he's left. He played 9 games that year. I don't know if he was a reserve for the Pro Bowl, but it would've been a terrible decision to pay that man. Just stop.

Yeah but his inability to stay healthy was becoming more and more of a problem. He was developing a pattern of not being very reliable.

At the time i didn't want to part ways with Albert, but it was the correct decision.

Maybe more time together will be the answer.

Maybe with hindsight 'getting rid' of ALbert was correct...but he went to a pro bowl in 2015. I seriously don't think the Chiefs 'knew' he was going to injured in Miami...but he recovered and went to the pro bowl.

Obviously we needed to get a replacement LT but the 1.1? Did it have to be the 1.1 in 2013? Fisher? Maybe we win a couple more playoff games in 2015 if we had Albert?

I really don't know but i agree obviously he wasn't the future..But burning that 1.1 right then and there seems like a panic move along with burning those two 2nd rounders on ALex. I still say this team is better off without doing those things....I'd love to see the Alternate Chiefs where we went a different direction...

If thats true, then how to explain our run blocking... we all know it was awful last season

In no way can it all pinned on Fulton, they're just not physical as a group

I believe he played 14 games his latest pro bowl season

Then that wasn't the year after he left.

Are we really going by Pro Bowls though? Alex Smith is a Pro Bowler.

The point remains, he hasn't played a full season since he left and we would've regretted it like the Fins did.

Extremely poor TE blocking, Fulton and Ware/West not running as well

I probably worded it poorly but i mean a year later..as in a year after he left..In any case... i regret drafting fisher

You can't regret it unless you have a better option (realistically). There weren't any. Ansah is not a 3/4 OLB.

I find it difficult to believe there wasn't a better option with the 1.1...

Honestly not sure that covers it, they're too finesse as a unit

Too many technicians, not enough attitude and beef IMO

That's a mindset.

Andy's offense is finesse, and this is the end result.

How many times has he dumped it off from a clean pocket?
How many times has he bailed from a clean pocket?

LDT, and this line in general, was pretty damn good in pass pro.

Alex Smith pissed away good protection.

There's someone who is still taking about Fisher vs Albert in 2017 when Fisher has shown to be 100% the better choice ROFL
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List the better options.
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Let's just pretend we took Kelce with the 1.1 and Fish Daddy in the 3rd and avoid all that bullshit.

I agree, Reid values mobile pass blockers right now and it becomes a mindset... more comfortable on their heels reacting, than driving forward

And I've never been an Andy Heck fan, watched him for years especially with the Bears... his lines are never good, they never gel

Chunt saves bucks. Names fatty both guard and team doctor.

I admit I am not as knowledgeable about this as some..Are you saying there are no better players than Eric Fisher in that draft?

I don't wanna spend any time looking through the list unless thats what your saying.

The point is saying anybody that went outside of the top 10 is unrealistic, and if you're going to do that you might as well pretend we drafted Kelce at 1.1

Hell yea, he hangs his tackles out to dry all the time with his lack of pocket awareness. This isn't about defending Alex. This is about a passing game that puts very little pressure on it's Oline.

Our Oline has to keep the pocket clean for 1.3 seconds or some silly shit like that AND WE STILL end up seeing guys hit our QB.

Think about that for a second.

ROFL

Welcome back, Moron.

Oh the irony

Our OL looked much better with Ehinger in there.

I'm glad you're back, man! We were stuck with Laz's dumbass for too long

I got it..

So I can pick anyone in the nfl draft, except if theyre not in the top 10 and if their name is Ansah.

So i am limited to 8 players..correct?

You can do whatever the **** you want. I'm just trying to be logical, something you obviously can't do because your emotions still linger from that decision (hence your inability to even come up with a better pick)

Or 1.3 seconds even. :D


EDIT:

Actually it was 2.38 seconds in November, second in the league only to Foles.

http://www.chiefsdigest.com/nfls-fas...fs-alex-smith/

thanks :thumb:

2.3 not 1.3 ... my bad

:D

**** it...We should have drafted Tom Brady in the first round in 2000 then if you want to use the "they could have literally picked anyone" reasoning.

Yes, let's ignore draft grades and general consensus on where players should go.

And here's the link to the draft picks
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_NFL_Draft. Who should they have drafted?
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Agreed.

It seemed to slip through the cracks today, but this contract reportedly has only $14 million in guaranteed money.

They will be able to get out of it very fast if it doesn't work out for some reason.

That should be enough to pay off med school and start a practice.

Just a week later, this contract doesn't look all that bad at all. Already almost a handful of guards on the FA market have gotten a bigger deal than LDT.

Dorsey was wise to knock this one out when he did, same with Fisher.

No kidding. Today was a bit of a slap in the face regarding how much elite interior OL are going to be getting from now on.

Yep, you're right.

Totally ****ed up but it's true. :shrug:

It's true in the literal sense.

That homer failed to mention that these are high-end OGs while LDT is mediocre.

So just like with Fisher, we're giving him insane money in one hand with a prayer book in the other.

LDT was top 5 in pass protection in a passing league. Considering the fact that he's getting better and better every year, this was a good contract. Continue to be a moron though.

That's the 'totally ****ed up' part.

The contract is turning out be in the general ballpark. Now we just have to pray that he grows into the talent slotting.

http://www.espn.com/blog/kansas-city...ing-more-sense

Relevant - Risk / Reward could pay off for LDT

Neither Fisher nor Tardiff are better than average starters. Why pay average starters elite money when even elite players don't give you much in the way of surplus value for elite money?

BJ Kissel
BJ Kissel @ChiefsReporter
Also per @PFF, @LaurentDTardif has gone 73 pass block snaps w/o yielding a pressure...one of 7 OGs to not allow one through 2 weeks.

Looks like once again Dorsey was right and the brain trust contingency at chiefsplanet is embarrassed.

That was kinda' his thing; being RIGHT.

Dorsey is and always was the ****ing man. I'll love him always.

Damn impressive. CP clowned again.

https://mobile.twitter.com/billbarnw...33418879864832

There's our #76 Canadian RG opening up the whole for 4 Kareem Hunt's to run through and score that key TD yesterday.

This.

I mean it when I say that I REALLY hope that Veach is every bit the man his boss was and then some. This isn't some Alex Smith bullshit with me; the Chiefs NEED Veach to be right.

Since the Vermeil OL, we've pretty good players on our offensive line come and go. Branden Albert was a pretty good LT. Jeff Allen ended up owning and doing really well at LG. Rodney Hudson was nails.

But since Will Shields retired, we've NEVER anybody on the right side. Who's been our best offensive lineman at RG and RT from Shields retiring up until 2016? Our best RT in that span has probably been Eric Winston for one year. Yuck. ****ing yuck. And RG is even worse. Probably Jah Reid in 2015 or Geoff Schwartz in 2014. Jon Asamoah was ****ing dogshit. All the random vets and ****tards before then sucked dick, too.

LDT and Mitch Schwartz are a lot of money, but god DAMN that's a lethal right side of the line. And the best part is that between the two, it only cost us one 6th round pick.

THAT'S how you build an OL, ladies and gentlemen.

Hey look, another thread where Clay shits on a valuable Chief player

here george, let me help you...

i have a frenchie or two in the woodpile we call a family tree, so i have some experience with that language and i have a french canadian bil, so here goes...

listen carefully, george:




el - dee -tee! with an accent on the tee part...



see? nothing to it, you too can be a french-canadian loving supporter...

viva le el dee tee!! PBJ PBJ PBJ

We weren't, though. There were a number of folks defending the signing and the numbers.

Did you just say Jeff Allen 'owned'?

Dude was terrible, then injured, then mediocre at best.

It was a nice pull block, but let's not ignore the jobs done by 87 and 72.

If you doubt it, watch the play. Kelce totally seals his guy off. Awesome job by the whole group.

It should say more like "CP brain trust clowned"

LDT has been a very nice surprise, they were right about him, and Fisher and Morse have also turned out to be solid players. I think by the end of the season we might have a line that is playing pretty well. Obviously there are still some issues, but the personnel decisions have mostly worked out.

In 2015, the dude was probably a top 10 LG.

People forget how good he was that year.

I remember watching this guy's workout tape thinking: raw, but damn what an athletic beast. Too bad he's gonna be a cooch doc.

He's been coached up nicely.

I still think we regret losing Dorse.

At least you're consistent.

Yeah, this was one of those contracts that people were citing as a reason why Dorsey should be fired and I never understood that.

If he signs a guy early like LDT - "DORSEY SHOULD BE FIRED! HE OVERPAID FOR POTENTIAL!!!"

If he makes a guy prove it like Houston - "DORSEY SHOULD HAVE LOCKED HOUSTON UP EARLY - HE NEEDS TO BE FIRED!!!"

LDT is a good player and good players cost money. You watch teams like the Giants and Packers go out there and get their QB run off the field then suddenly you realize that perhaps a good young OL is worth spending a few bucks to retain, especially when they're a relatively cohesive unit. There's virtually always sticker shock on these deals (let us all not forget that Ron Parker freak-out). But there are 32 teams out there and a bunch of agents that have a damn good feel for what their clients can get from those teams.

In the era of exploding salary caps, virtually everyone is going to be more expensive than what the average fan thinks is reasonable.

I wish we could get the full story on why he was let go. Was he a big pain in the ass? Was he as just that bad at managing the cap and/or player egos?

There are plenty of articles that provide the full story.

Breer, Jason Cole, Mellinger, Paylor, etc. and so on.

I've never been on the tardif bandwagon and there is still something about him I just don't like....or more accurately trust.

When it comes to Chiefs players I guess I'd gladly be wrong and have one turn out awesome.

In this case, he's playing alright, but I wonder if his lack of pressure is more a testament to him or picking in the other side and outside rush?

Dude's a :o)

OUF!!!