I follow him on his instagram and the guys been working out like crazy since the season ended. He wants to be great.

I love what this guy brings to the front 7, but 2 down run stuffers usually have a market of roughly $4 million a year for their services.

We are in the nickel roughly 65% of the time or more. If we're up against a good passing team, then that's like 80% of the time. It really doesn't make sense to pay Howard, Bailey and Logan big $$ and have one or even 2 of those guys off the field a lot. You have Chris Jones, who is has to be a starter in both normal formation and nickel, then you have all 3 of these paid vets for 1 spot.

So we're overpaying for depth? Maybe bc of what happened last year? Why not just cut Bailey or Howard and bring back Reyes back on a small deal?

Has the HOF QB. Doesn't need those. KC on the other hand...

Chris Jones needs to be on the field as much as possible. Also, this DL needs to ****ing perform. They were so bad last season when they were all healthy and playing. Run defense needs to get a lot better. They were good in short yardage though.

Worse than bad, they were disinterested.

It showed from the first snap of the first pre-season game. Howard looked like he was mailing it in because he didn't get paid like he thought he should, Poe looked like he was saving himself for something (damn sure wasn't the playoffs) and Bailey just looked like the same Bailey that plateaued 3 years ago.

Their no-show against the Patriots carried right over into the next season and it wasn't until Jones and guys like RNR got a little run that the unit showed any energy at all.

The down linemen were massive disappointments last year. That said, I still don't think the answer is overpaying another DL.

May not be the answer. Just hope they find replacements for these bums. I'm over this DL with the exception of Jones and RNR. Like you said, they were the fire on the DL. The others were purely a disaster.

We're going to do something stupid like draft a defensive linemen in the 1st, let him ride the bench for most of the year and then let Howard/Logan walk next offseason. Can't ****ing wait.

No way. That's not where the value will be at 27. It will be QB, RB, ILB, or OLB. I do expect us to go DL on day 2 though.

Not that anything can excuse the 1 yr 8 mil deal.. if it's accurate... but this was a good article on Logan vs Poe..

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2017/3...as-city-chiefs

Patriots top 10 cap hits by position:

1. QB - $14M
2. LT
3. S
4. CB
5. WR
6. TE
7. WR
8. TE
9. S
10. K - $3.9M

Chiefs top 10 cap hits by position:

1. OLB - $22M
2. QB
3. WR
4. LT
5. OLB
6. DT - Logan FWIW
7. ILB
8. RT
9. DE
10. DE - $6M

And just in case you want another kick in the nuts...

Alex Smith's cap hit: $16.9M
Tom Brady's cap hit: $14M

I see where DJLN is coming from. How much $$ have we wasted on expendable players? Colquitt? Tamba? Bray?

Why the **** are any of these guys on the roster? They are expendable. A punter isn't hard to find, get John Simon (Ballard ****ing got him) to take that 3rd spot and Bray is just nothing but wasted $$.

These guys are too loyal to some of the players.

Of course I see where he's coming from but I'm not gona freak out over this yet. I'm hoping this works out in the end and next year doesn't matter when we are playing a young QB on a rookie contract.

Bray isn't making much, considering he's a qb with a big arm. He's the kind of guy you don't mind paying a little, make him look good in the preseason and see if someone will flip you a pick.

If coke head Ryan Mallett can do it, I'm not sure why bray cant.

Frankly, they're cornering themselves into having to pay a qb on a rookie contract.

Suuuure sucks signing a very good run stopper on a team that sucked monkey nuts against the run (especially Poe). Get a damn grip.

Can I get me sum o dat under the table cash? How are they allowed to pay a guy that should be getting 30 million, half that. Slimy ****s.

It's unfortunate that the Chiefs' management can't figure out how to get it done.

Well, only one guy in the entire league is getting by with it, so...

Yeah but you can make that same argument about basically any position on the Patriots roster. They don't pay a lot on any position relative to the rest of the league.
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Don't they pay a kicker like 4 million ROFL Tom's under the table deal allows everything to fall in place.

f the rules
make it happen

Don't have a HOFer married to a super model...sorry

We have Alex Smith married to a hot chick

that's our poor man's version

Sadly. Still almost enough to beat Pitt even with giving up 500 rushing yards.

I would meltdown hardcore.

I would blame it entirely on Clark Hunt, though. Hopeless feeling because there is no fighting the power there...with Cassioli, we flew banners... Cassel ended up benched and Pioli was fired....nothing we could ever do could influence Hunt...except for gathering large groups of fans to not show up for the games...which we know that won't ever happen with some of our homeriffic fans settling for the inevitable mediocrity that would ensue.

Meh...and she's not even THAT hot.

So yeah, poor man's version. Poor, homeless man's version.

Neither is Gisele/ CP

The more I've read about this guy on different sites the more I like this. Could very well be similar to what we got in Howard. And you have to figure 8 mill is a pretty good pay day for a nose. Dorsey knows what he's doing. We'll be working out a 3 year deal with the guy before the end of the year and you can figure right now on the 1 year deal he'll be motivated to perform.

I'm not sure I understand the huge uproar. I get it, it's a steep price for the one year.

But in the end, it changes really nothing with the 2018 cap and past that. Even if you are sitting there worried about the cap rollover, we are still just a few moves away from having ample cap space next offseason. There are several players that the Chiefs will be able to move on from next spring if they deem it necessary and they will be in fine shape with the cap.

From everything I've read, we might have signed one of the best interior run defenders in the whole league for this year. He'll have his chance to earn a bigger contract. Who's to say this isn't just the guy we need right now? Poe sure wasn't cutting it last year.

Anyone who knows football knows that you have to 'stop the run to have some fun'. Everyone on this board knows that this team's success against great teams will be highly dependent on its pass rush, and it didn't get near enough opportunities to get after QBs last year because of its poor run defense. Specifically against Pittsburgh.

Hmm thought we were done in FA market. $8M seems a steep price for a team that has no real cap space.

LMAO

Dude was the lynchpin on the 32nd run defense in 2015. At nose tackle. In the 3-4.

If we're lucky he'll be a solid rotational player behind Howard.

I work with a very knowledgeable Donkey fan, 1 of about 3 I've found out here in CO. in 20 years. He was disappointed because he was really wanted this guy to fix Denver's run defense. I really don't care about the money because Poe wants 10+ mil a year and isn't as good a run stuffer as this guy.

90 YPG with
144 without

Yeah, no impact at all.

Those are numbers in the 4-3. They have no bearing.

We have more than what is reported.

he was about the only one of their players who fit the scheme dude. ROFL

He fits the 3-4, that is why he's here.

Wish people would stop citing 4-3 "accomplishments," especially when he played about 14 snaps of run defense a game last year.

What's interesting is their run defense was the worst in the league with him at NT, then they switched to the 4-3, played him a lot less snaps, and they improved to league average.

Duh. No one else fit the 34 hence the ranking. How were his individual ranks in the 34...specifically run stop rate ROFL

If his run stop rate was that great, why was he the key cog in the worst run defense in football?

And why did they improve, demonstrably, with him playing LESS?

It doesn't add up.

His first two years at nose, they gave up 3.75YPC. That third year was the outlier and he was STILL 2nd in the league in run stop percentage...Checkmate.

This is the first argument I've seen for him that makes sense.

Hopefully he can get back to the form he showed in 2014.

Of course the Eagles defense was terrible statically in the Chip Kelly era. That has nothing to do with the fact that Logan was the second best run stuffer that year according to PFF (Clay's bible). He won't acknowledge that though, because he's a ****ing troll.

We are having a friendly debate, friend. Care to join us?

It's not trolling to be dubious about the workhorse from the 32nd ranked run defense.

No wonder nobody will sign Poe...

Philadelphia fans have been outspoken with their displeasure that he isn't returning. That says a lot to me.

If we're going to use PFF as the end-all be-all here, let's not forget that PFF likely said that guys like Kurt Coleman, Ron Parker, Jaye Howard, Terrance Mitchell, and more all sucked before coming to KC.

But PFF is high on Logan

They liked him in 2015 in the 3-4, gave him pretty bad ratings last year IIRC.

Man I hope you are right about this unlike you were about Houston returning at the first of the season, then changed that to early in the season etc.

But they acknowledged that had to do more with the scheme change, and had him in their top 10 sleeper FA's.

i think the following attachment says it all :D

As someone with a herniated disc, I was incredibly concerned about Poe's potential from the moment I saw his diagnosis.

Back injuries like that are chronic and often degenerative, rarely does anyone "play through it". It's what ruines careers.

It's also why I'm concerned about Watt and Kershaw's long term stability.

not sure of the terminology, but at 21 i pinched my saitica nerve. at 43 my feet go numb while taking a shit :(

Dorsey got another steal.

http://arrowheadaddict.com/2017/03/1...m_medium=email

8 million and highest paid guy on our dline isnt exactly a steal.

They got him at exact market price, hes not overrated or underrated hes rated.

Poes market is clearly nose diving, Chiefs clearly know they probably arent getting a 3rd or 4th round comp pick for him so they got out in front and grabbed Logan. If Logan plays himself into a LTD this season with another team, thinking Chris Baker deal or higher, then the Chiefs will prob get that 3rd round comp in 2019 that they should have got for Poe in 2018. Its really a wash, theres nothing sneaky or steal or underrated about it

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Who's ready for us to pass a QB and draft Zach Cunningham in the first rd next month?!

:shake:

I'm ready for us to either draft a defensive linemen or trade out of the 1st again.

I trust Dorseys evaluations and the fact he spent so much on this guy is pretty exciting.

Dorsey obviously sees him as a difference maker.

They have to do something to fix their run defense.

Dorsey just watched Denver hire the OL coach who saved Melvin Gordon's career and allowed Adrian Peterson to rush for over 2,000 yards, and then saw Elway sign two straight up maulers on the OL.

I'dlove to have Cunningham as long as none of the top 4 QBs are available

LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO

Oh God, that's too funny.

Menelik Watson. Straight up mauler.

Call me when Donald Stephenson plays as well as you promised us he would after we watched him suck AIDS for 3 seasons

I don't see a DL but I can see a trade back for one of the ILB's like Cunningham or Davis since the position really drops off after those guys.

Ramik is a disaster in run defense and DJ was slower last year. It's a pretty big need, but hopefully we can get Hodges signed.

Yep.

LMAO.

Melvin Gordon still was below 4 YPC, Ronald Leary was above average when sandwiched between Tyron Smith and Travis Frederick, and Menelik Watson couldn't even start in Oakland where the RT was their weakest link.

Oh and your HC has already said Stephenson will get a chance to start.

Denver is f**ked.

If we don't sign Hodges, I'd rather they take an offensive impact player and pick up one of the really solid second day guys. McMillan, Anzalone, Walker JR., or even Duke Riley would be day 1 starters over what we have now.

You have a bottom 5 OL and offense as a whole.

LMAO

Walterfootball.com gave it an A.

That actually makes me worry about it being a bad move.

LMAO Yep.

But in all seriousness, I'm excited to see the energy and attitude he brings to our line that Poe never really showed. I hope that Sutton rolls with Jones and Bailey primarily on passing downs, but I think Bennie will go a long way in solving our run defense woes.

You also said that Eric Murray was goin to replace Eric Berry and yet here we are with both Berry and Sorenson extended to long contracts.

Your trust doesn't mean shit

I doubt Berry lives up to that kinda deal, but I love Eric Murrays potential. I'm sure he will get more and more playing time over the years, even in a talented safety group.

As far as KC signing Bennie Logan, I'm excited to see this defense as Dorsey continues to improve the weaknesses. Getting Bailey and Howard back to go along with a jump from year one to year two for Jones and now adding Logan should really help KC stop the run more effectively.

I'd love it if Dorsey went out and drafted a passrusher and an ILB early in the draft.

First 4 picks

Pass rusher that can come in and take Fords job.
QB that can be looked at as Kansas City's starting QB in 2018/2019.
CB that can compete for a starting job to push the rest of the guys.
ILB that can give us a solid presence in the middle of the defense for a long time.

I can't wait to see the direction Dorsey goes.

Ten bucks says some Patriot hellhole like the Browns or the Falcons pick him up

I would rather Ford reach a level of consistency playing like he did in the middle of 2016 than replace him. Let's see what he can do here in 2017. He was the best player on the defense for about a month long stretch there in 2016.