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Pitt Gorilla 07-01-2017 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy (Post 12939255)
That was Judas Durant's decision, not theirs.
Jesus. Enough with the sour grapes. Durant made OKC relevant. OKC repaid the favor by trading away his friends and labelling him a cupcake.

dirk digler 07-01-2017 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by SithCeNtZ (Post 12939261)
It's because you have two different answers to this question depending on which conference you are in: "if I want to be the best team in my conference overall for the next decade, what is the best course of action?". In the east, the answer is simple: tank, load up a young core, and wait Lebron out. Once Lebron gets older, it's wide open, and because the celts won't go all in, your team has just as good of chance as anyone else to be the team of the decade in the east. The sixers have done this well, and I think that's why Ainge won't trade any of his high picks, because he thinks this is the way to go.

On the other hand, the west has no such plan. The Warriors probably won't fall off in a year or two. They are going to be great for the foreseeable future. So if you are a western conference GM, the only answer to my original question is go all in and if you fail well at least you can tell your fan base you tried. The rockets and the wolves are perfect examples. Guys aren't getting any younger, so push all the chips in and go for it. Who cares if the wolves won't be able to keep a butler Wiggins towns core together in 3 years? Who cares if Chris Paul and harden fail ? There's no downside because your goal will still be to beat the Warriors in 5 years. The east doesn't have to worry about that, so they can play the long game.
Thanks for the reply I appreciate it. I would agree with you if you are looking at this from the team's perspective but IMHO when it comes to the max players in the NBA they are the ones with all the power and are choosing to go West not East. Looking at GS they are set to dominate for 3 more years at least barring injuries so it just makes me curious why they are choosing the way they are other than they know they can't beat Lebron. They aren't going to beat GS either though. It would seem to me the easiest path is in the East with alot less work and you won't get beat up as much.

The West is going to be ****ing brutal next season.

Pitt Gorilla 07-01-2017 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by SithCeNtZ (Post 12939261)
It's because you have two different answers to this question depending on which conference you are in: "if I want to be the best team in my conference overall for the next decade, what is the best course of action?". In the east, the answer is simple: tank, load up a young core, and wait Lebron out. Once Lebron gets older, it's wide open, and because the celts won't go all in, your team has just as good of chance as anyone else to be the team of the decade in the east. The sixers have done this well, and I think that's why Ainge won't trade any of his high picks, because he thinks this is the way to go.

On the other hand, the west has no such plan. The Warriors probably won't fall off in a year or two. They are going to be great for the foreseeable future. So if you are a western conference GM, the only answer to my original question is go all in and if you fail well at least you can tell your fan base you tried. The rockets and the wolves are perfect examples. Guys aren't getting any younger, so push all the chips in and go for it. Who cares if the wolves won't be able to keep a butler Wiggins towns core together in 3 years? Who cares if Chris Paul and harden fail ? There's no downside because your goal will still be to beat the Warriors in 5 years. The east doesn't have to worry about that, so they can play the long game.
It's amazing to me how much this appears to be a change in philosophy from not that long ago. Top 10 picks were being sold for cash. Teams didn't want draft picks outside of the top 5 because they were salary commitments. Now, teams actually want their picks for the ability to build through the draft. I love it.

Pitt Gorilla 07-01-2017 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 12939286)
Thanks for the reply I appreciate it. I would agree with you if you are looking at this from the team's perspective but IMHO when it comes to the max players in the NBA they are the ones with all the power and are choosing to go West not East. Looking at GS they are set to dominate for 3 more years at least barring injuries so it just makes me curious why they are choosing the way they are other than they know they can't beat Lebron. They aren't going to beat GS either though. It would seem to me the easiest path is in the East with alot less work and you won't get beat up as much.

The West is going to be ****ing brutal next season.
It's going to be a blast watching the Bucks rise, especially with their new building.

BWillie 07-01-2017 01:51 PM
The NBA should really consider switching up teams in the conferences. The situations are kind of fluid, but it's still not likely to change anytime soon. If LeBron leaves the East, it will be a barren wasteland over there.

PAChiefsGuy 07-01-2017 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 12939290)
The NBA should really consider switching up teams in the conferences. The situations are kind of fluid, but it's still not likely to change anytime soon. If LeBron leaves the East, it will be a barren wasteland over there.
Just do seeding 1-16 for the whole league. It'd be so much better.

Al Bundy 07-01-2017 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy (Post 12939255)
That was Judas Durant's decision, not theirs.
:deevee:

BWillie 07-01-2017 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy (Post 12939296)
Just do seeding 1-16 for the whole league. It'd be so much better.
That wouldn't solve everything. You'd still have some East team as a #5 seed that deserves a #10, but that could be a decent start.

penbrook 07-01-2017 02:20 PM
JJ Redick is headed to Philly

PAChiefsGuy 07-01-2017 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 12939331)
That wouldn't solve everything. You'd still have some East team as a #5 seed that deserves a #10, but that could be a decent start.
True but I am willing to bet they'd get eliminated quickly.

Hoopsdoc 07-01-2017 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 12939282)
Jesus. Enough with the sour grapes. Durant made OKC relevant. OKC repaid the favor by trading away his friends and labelling him a cupcake.
No doubt. Durants decision worked out pretty well for him, I'd say. I mean, he only won a championship and looks to be set up on a dominant team for years. That's what all these guys work their whole lives for.

Crying about it and calling him Judas is just pathetic sour grapes.

KC_Connection 07-01-2017 02:45 PM
What difference does it make which conference anybody is in for the next few years? No matter how good any team is in either the East or the West, the Warriors are still going to be better.

All roads lead to a Golden State beatdown eventually.

PAChiefsGuy 07-01-2017 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 12939371)
No doubt. Durants decision worked out pretty well for him, I'd say. I mean, he only won a championship and looks to be set up on a dominant team for years. That's what all these guys work their whole lives for.

Crying about it and calling him Judas is just pathetic sour grapes.
Calling him Judas Durant is a joke. Why don't you lighten the f**k up?

You guys clearly have no idea what the word loyalty and competitive mean. I bet you were the class snitches in HS and if you lost in a game of bball would immediately want to join the team that beat you. Always looking out for yourself and the easy way out.

Pathetic in my book.

dirk digler 07-01-2017 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by penbrook (Post 12939358)
JJ Redick is headed to Philly
Clippers are going to be horrible

dirk digler 07-01-2017 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy (Post 12939427)
Calling him Judas Durant is a joke. Why don't you lighten the f**k up?

You guys clearly have no idea what the word loyalty and competitive mean. I bet you were the class snitches in HS and if you lost in a game of bball would immediately want to join the team that beat you. Always looking out for yourself and the easy way out.

Pathetic in my book.
Loyalty doesn't exist in sports much anymore, either from the players or owners side. Anyway he gave them almost 10 years while they broke up a dynasty. I think he was "loyal" enough.

dirk digler 07-01-2017 03:14 PM
Cavs trying to trade Shumpert to the Rockets so they can sign Korver.

BWillie 07-01-2017 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 12939492)
Loyalty doesn't exist in sports much anymore, either from the players or owners side. Anyway he gave them almost 10 years while they broke up a dynasty. I think he was "loyal" enough.
It's just kind of chicken shit. You take them to 7-games, and barely lose. Then you go join them. I don't care what anybody says, that is just being a little bitch. Would be different even if he went to ANY East team and even alot of West teams. Even if OKC would have got bounced by say the Spurs and then he went to the Warriors, it wouldn't have been so bad. But the bottom line is, he couldn't beat them, he was on a formidable squad that was coming up to their prime, and he got scared. Let's call it for what it is.

-King- 07-01-2017 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 12939543)
It's just kind of chicken shit. You take them to 7-games, and barely lose. Then you go join them. I don't care what anybody says, that is just being a little bitch. Would be different even if he went to ANY East team and even alot of West teams. Even if OKC would have got bounced by say the Spurs and then he went to the Warriors, it wouldn't have been so bad. But the bottom line is, he couldn't beat them, he was on a formidable squad that was coming up to their prime, and he got scared. Let's call it for what it is.
OKC was coming up to their prime? Lol.

And how dare he go to a team with great teammates, great coaching, and a great system! He should have went to a bad situation just to prove something to Bwillie!
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PAChiefsGuy 07-01-2017 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 12939570)
OKC was coming up to their prime? Lol.

And how dare he go to a team with great teammates, great coaching, and a great system! He should have went to a bad situation just to prove something to Bwillie!
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Plenty of other teams in the NBA who have great teammates, great coaching and a great system but instead he went to a 73-9 team that just beat the team he played for in a hard fought 7-gm series.

He took the easy way out like the Mama's boy that he is.

Bewbies 07-01-2017 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy (Post 12939611)
Plenty of other teams in the NBA who have great teammates, great coaching and a great system but instead he went to a 73-9 team that just beat the team he played for in a hard fought 7-gm series.

He took the easy way out like the Mama's boy that he is.
Go change your tampon before you post again.

The guy went to a team with a perfect system for him.

PAChiefsGuy 07-01-2017 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Bewbies (Post 12939614)
Go change your tampon before you post again.

The guy went to a team with a perfect system for him.
Perfect system for any player in the NBA dumbba**. They didn't go 73-9 wout Durant by accident.

Put Paul George on the Warriors they do just as good as they did this year if not better.

Al Bundy 07-01-2017 05:07 PM
PA your vagina is showing.

Pasta Little Brioni 07-01-2017 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by penbrook (Post 12939058)
I'd rather have that lineup than Clevelands lineup.
ROFL

Bewbies 07-01-2017 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy (Post 12939618)
Perfect system for any player in the NBA dumbba**. They didn't go 73-9 wout Durant by accident.

Put Paul George on the Warriors they do just as good as they did this year if not better.
Are you nervous about starting your freshman year in the fall?

-King- 07-01-2017 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy (Post 12939618)
Perfect system for any player in the NBA dumbba**. They didn't go 73-9 wout Durant by accident.

Put Paul George on the Warriors they do just as good as they did this year if not better.
But does Paul George average 35 points in the finals shooting 60%?

No? Then stfu.
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ChiefsCountry 07-01-2017 05:51 PM
I think the NBA should allow every team to designate one player who is outside the cap and they can pay them whatever. That way the LeBron's, Curry's, Jordan's, Magic's, Shaq's of the world can get paid what they really are worth.

Pitt Gorilla 07-01-2017 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 12939543)
It's just kind of chicken shit. You take them to 7-games, and barely lose. Then you go join them. I don't care what anybody says, that is just being a little bitch. Would be different even if he went to ANY East team and even alot of West teams. Even if OKC would have got bounced by say the Spurs and then he went to the Warriors, it wouldn't have been so bad. But the bottom line is, he couldn't beat them, he was on a formidable squad that was coming up to their prime, and he got scared. Let's call it for what it is.
ROFL Ok, that is the most hilarious thing I've read in a while. Well played.

RealSNR 07-01-2017 06:04 PM
Welp, that was fun to dream, anyway. Hopefully we use the extra cash for some bench shooters

http://www.denverpost.com/2017/07/01...-agent-target/

BWillie 07-01-2017 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 12939703)
ROFL Ok, that is the most hilarious thing I've read in a while. Well played.
Westbrook and Durant are not in their prime? Last year's OKC team was probably the best one since they've been there. They hadn't had a chance to play with each other much healthy the last couple of years, but they were finally full strength and look how they played in the playoffs vs Golden State in 2016.

-King- 07-01-2017 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 12939744)
Westbrook and Durant are not in their prime? Last year's OKC team was probably the best one since they've been there. They hadn't had a chance to play with each other much healthy the last couple of years, but they were finally full strength and look how they played in the playoffs vs Golden State in 2016.
ROFL
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Pitt Gorilla 07-01-2017 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 12939744)
Westbrook and Durant are not in their prime? Last year's OKC team was probably the best one since they've been there. They hadn't had a chance to play with each other much healthy the last couple of years, but they were finally full strength and look how they played in the playoffs vs Golden State in 2016.
If they were "coming into their prime", they wouldn't have looked like dogshit last season (for simply missing Durant). I think Durant knew exactly what that supporting cast would be and got the hell out of Dodge.

penbrook 07-01-2017 07:38 PM
Cavs sign Jose Calderon

Bewbies 07-01-2017 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by penbrook (Post 12939800)
Cavs sign Jose Calderon
Print 'em!

SithCeNtZ 07-01-2017 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 12939286)
Thanks for the reply I appreciate it. I would agree with you if you are looking at this from the team's perspective but IMHO when it comes to the max players in the NBA they are the ones with all the power and are choosing to go West not East. Looking at GS they are set to dominate for 3 more years at least barring injuries so it just makes me curious why they are choosing the way they are other than they know they can't beat Lebron. They aren't going to beat GS either though. It would seem to me the easiest path is in the East with alot less work and you won't get beat up as much.

The West is going to be ****ing brutal next season.
But who has honestly done this? Durant did and picked the best team available to win a title. Not crazy. George sort of has and declared he wanted to be a Laker. Outside of this, who has really declared they want to go west? Butler didn't. Paul didn't. Griffin signed, but he was a huge injury risk and I'd doubt he'd get his contract anywhere else. The only common denominator is that the teams willing to give up talent to get talent were in the west. Wolves would trade to get better. The rockets too. The thunder. Outside of the Celts, what eastern team has even been mentioned in trying? I can't think of one.

DanBecky 07-01-2017 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy (Post 12939427)
Calling him Judas Durant is a joke. Why don't you lighten the f**k up?

You guys clearly have no idea what the word loyalty and competitive mean. I bet you were the class snitches in HS and if you lost in a game of bball would immediately want to join the team that beat you. Always looking out for yourself and the easy way out.

Pathetic in my book.
Lol shut the hell up. Get paid and win. He owes OKC nothing. Wipe those crusty tears. The players make the team, the team sure as hell doesn't make the players. They play where and with who they want. Get over it.

Pitt Gorilla 07-01-2017 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by SithCeNtZ (Post 12940003)
But who has honestly done this? Durant did and picked the best team available to win a title. Not crazy. George sort of has and declared he wanted to be a Laker. Outside of this, who has really declared they want to go west? Butler didn't. Paul didn't. Griffin signed, but he was a huge injury risk and I'd doubt he'd get his contract anywhere else. The only common denominator is that the teams willing to give up talent to get talent were in the west. Wolves would trade to get better. The rockets too. The thunder. Outside of the Celts, what eastern team has even been mentioned in trying? I can't think of one.
I think it makes sense. The East teams, for the most part, appear to be focusing on building through the draft to compete in a couple of years (once the Cavs are done). The West teams, who already have talent, are attempting to go for it now.

dirk digler 07-02-2017 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by SithCeNtZ (Post 12940003)
But who has honestly done this? Durant did and picked the best team available to win a title. Not crazy. George sort of has and declared he wanted to be a Laker. Outside of this, who has really declared they want to go west? Butler didn't. Paul didn't. Griffin signed, but he was a huge injury risk and I'd doubt he'd get his contract anywhere else. The only common denominator is that the teams willing to give up talent to get talent were in the west. Wolves would trade to get better. The rockets too. The thunder. Outside of the Celts, what eastern team has even been mentioned in trying? I can't think of one.
CP3 was a sign and trade to the Rockets because he wasn't going to sign with the Clippers, he wanted to go to Houston and play with Harden.

So far unless Hayward goes East all the top FA's are staying or going West. I do like that Reddick and Amir Johnson signed with the 76ers and I think it speaks to the exciting young talent they have on that team. They are going to be fun to watch.

dirk digler 07-02-2017 06:15 AM
Iggy is coming back to the Warriors. 3 years and $48 million.

-King- 07-02-2017 06:20 AM
Warriors luxury tax is going to be insane but they won't bat an eye paying it
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mcaj22 07-02-2017 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 12940122)
Warriors luxury tax is going to be insane but they won't bat an eye paying it
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Trailblazers still have more in the luxory tax than the Warriors which is really funny

So many bad contracts on the Blazers

Al Bundy 07-02-2017 09:53 AM
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penbrook 07-02-2017 10:32 AM
Taj Gibson goes to the T Wolves

RealSNR 07-02-2017 11:22 AM
Probably smarter in the long run. We need to worry about the new contracts for Wiggins and KAT and possibly Butler. Millsap was too expensive.

penbrook 07-02-2017 03:25 PM
Lowry is back with the Raptors

mcaj22 07-02-2017 03:29 PM
3 years 100 million goodness

Raptors definitely going to make other moves now (Carroll, Valanciunas , Joseph) probably could or should be traded

Pitt Gorilla 07-02-2017 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by penbrook (Post 12940274)
Taj Gibson goes to the T Wolves
Thibs buying the groceries.

BWillie 07-02-2017 04:47 PM
Realllly hope Rudy Gay doesn't go to the Thunder.

penbrook 07-02-2017 04:52 PM
Nick Young may sign with the Warriors

okcchief 07-02-2017 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 12939788)
If they were "coming into their prime", they wouldn't have looked like dogshit last season (for simply missing Durant). I think Durant knew exactly what that supporting cast would be and got the hell out of Dodge.


If you are comparing it to jumping on a team that won 73 games without him then any other supporting cast is dog shit. Still a playoff team without him and he was CLEARLY the best player on the Warriors. Losing a generational player tends to affect a basketball team.


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okcchief 07-02-2017 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 12939424)
What difference does it make which conference anybody is in for the next few years? No matter how good any team is in either the East or the West, the Warriors are still going to be better.



All roads lead to a Golden State beatdown eventually.


Correct


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okcchief 07-02-2017 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by lewdog (Post 12938466)
What's the thought on Blake Griffin at this state in his career?

Talking about Suns and I'm trying to determine if Booker, Josh Jackson and Griffin would get me excited enough to start watching. Eric Bledsoe is good too but they are thinking of trading him?


The Suns were better off not going after a star yet. Especially one who has that injury history. They need to play the lottery at least one more year.


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okcchief 07-02-2017 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 12940318)
Probably smarter in the long run. We need to worry about the new contracts for Wiggins and KAT and possibly Butler. Millsap was too expensive.


3 solid veteran adds and hopefully they can teach KAT and Wiggins to be professionals and play defense.


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KC_Connection 07-03-2017 01:05 AM
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Originally Posted by okcchief (Post 12941493)
If you are comparing it to jumping on a team that won 73 games without him then any other supporting cast is dog shit. Still a playoff team without him and he was CLEARLY the best player on the Warriors. Losing a generational player tends to affect a basketball team.


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Durant and the Thunder had the Warriors (one of the best teams in NBA history at the time even before Durant's addition) at their complete mercy in the 2016 WCF. The game and the series would have been theirs had they not committed 6 turnovers in the last three minutes of game 6.

The team they had was more than good enough to win a title with KD there, I'm not sure why anybody would refute that.

KC_Connection 07-03-2017 01:16 AM
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Originally Posted by okcchief (Post 12941496)
Correct


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Yeah, I'm not sure why anybody gives a damn about conference parity. It's not like it will affect the final outcome of the playoffs for the foreseeable future. The Warriors with Durant are so vastly superior to the competition that they will run through any Western Conference opponent they play with ease. There's certainly nobody out there in the 2017-2018 season that stands a chance.

The only real challenge they may face in the next couple of years will be when LeBron, CP3, and Paul George join the Lakers for 2018-2019 (which seems to be the most likely outcome at this point), but there's a very real possibility the former two will have declined significantly by then and it won't matter at all.

KC_Connection 07-03-2017 01:19 AM
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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 12940831)
3 years 100 million goodness

Raptors definitely going to make other moves now (Carroll, Valanciunas , Joseph) probably could or should be traded
Honestly a bargain for the value he provides (the Raptors would be a sub 40 win team without him and now they could easily be back in the ECF next year) and less term than I expected. Will allow them to begin a rebuild sooner once it all crashes and burns in a few years.

Hoopsdoc 07-03-2017 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 12939492)
Loyalty doesn't exist in sports much anymore, either from the players or owners side. Anyway he gave them almost 10 years while they broke up a dynasty. I think he was "loyal" enough.
Loyalty shouldn't even factor in from the players side because it sure as hell doesn't from the owners side.

I can vouch for that as a Pacers fan. The list of moves they made that were shitty is a mile long and IMO, is the biggest reason PG left. From the way they traded Granger, the way they screwed Hibbert and dumped Vogel, then traded away his best friend in the world, George Hill, all these things impacted PG in a negative way and told him the organization lacked loyalty in any way.

I don't blame him one bit for wanting out. I just wish he hadn't made it public.

PAChiefsGuy 07-03-2017 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 12941589)
Loyalty shouldn't even factor in from the players side because it sure as hell doesn't from the owners side.

I can vouch for that as a Pacers fan. The list of moves they made that were shitty is a mile long and IMO, is the biggest reason PG left. From the way they traded Granger, the way they screwed Hibbert and dumped Vogel, then traded away his best friend in the world, George Hill, all these things impacted PG in a negative way and told him the organization lacked loyalty in any way.

I don't blame him one bit for wanting out. I just wish he hadn't made it public.
Not true. Lakers showed Kobe loyalty. They paid him a boatload of money at the end of his career when he clearly was not worth it and was already rich as hell. Plenty of other examples.

Pretty sure Paul George was upset Pacers tried to trade him before and that is why he is leaving..

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Originally Posted by DanBecky (Post 12940015)
Lol shut the hell up. Get paid and win. He owes OKC nothing. Wipe those crusty tears. The players make the team, the team sure as hell doesn't make the players. They play where and with who they want. Get over it.
You shut the hell up. First of all I'm not a Thunder fan so I am not crying at all. I have a right to not like Kevin Durant. You have a right to not care if he left for the Warriors. It's not like I am saying the guy should be burned at the stake or that all of you have to agree with my opinion. IMO it was a b**ch move anyway you try to spin it.

I'm not saying he owes OKC anything. They paid him for those years and he played for them. It was a business transaction but to leave OKC for a 73-9 team, he took the easy way out. No one is going to be impressed by Durant winning rings w the Warriors.

I can only imagine the hate LeBron would get if he did exactly what Durant did but because Durant is not LeBron it is OK. Give me a break.

dirk digler 07-03-2017 10:37 AM
Chauncey Billups pulled out of Cavs GM job. Gee I wonder why

PAChiefsGuy 07-03-2017 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 12941753)
Chauncey Billups pulled out of Cavs GM job. Gee I wonder why
Wow... I'm kind of surprised by that but I guess he is not confident in LeBron staying.

BigCatDaddy 07-03-2017 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy (Post 12941761)
Wow... I'm kind of surprised by that but I guess he is not confident in LeBron staying.
Over/Under on jerseys burned this time?

PAChiefsGuy 07-03-2017 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 12941769)
Over/Under on jerseys burned this time?
Lol... I don't think it will be as bad as before if he does leave again. He did bring the city their first championship in a couple centuries..

staylor26 07-03-2017 11:16 AM
Lebron is gone in 2018

penbrook 07-03-2017 11:52 AM
Yep they failed to give what Lebron wanted. Gilbert can **** off. And everyone that ought Clark Hunt was a bad owner well look no further than Da͏n Gilbert

Hoopsdoc 07-03-2017 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy (Post 12941697)
Not true. Lakers showed Kobe loyalty. They paid him a boatload of money at the end of his career when he clearly was not worth it and was already rich as hell. Plenty of other examples.

Pretty sure Paul George was upset Pacers tried to trade him before and that is why he is leaving..



You shut the hell up. First of all I'm not a Thunder fan so I am not crying at all. I have a right to not like Kevin Durant. You have a right to not care if he left for the Warriors. It's not like I am saying the guy should be burned at the stake or that all of you have to agree with my opinion. IMO it was a b**ch move anyway you try to spin it.

I'm not saying he owes OKC anything. They paid him for those years and he played for them. It was a business transaction but to leave OKC for a 73-9 team, he took the easy way out. No one is going to be impressed by Durant winning rings w the Warriors.

I can only imagine the hate LeBron would get if he did exactly what Durant did but because Durant is not LeBron it is OK. Give me a break.
Kobe was like Jordan, an all time great. You can't treat him like you would every other guy, the fans won't have it.

And I'm not saying it never happens, just that it's quite rare.

And the Pacers weren't actively trying to trade PG at the deadline. As far as I know, Boston came to Indy with that offer. At that time, they were still trying to add pieces to keep PG happy. Which they failed miserably at, BTW.

Hoopsdoc 07-03-2017 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12941774)
Lebron is gone in 2018
I'm guessing Lebron, PG, and maybe Carmelo go to LA next summer.

RobBlake 07-03-2017 12:39 PM
Indy should have taken bostons offer

-King- 07-03-2017 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by penbrook (Post 12941801)
Yep they failed to give what Lebron wanted. Gilbert can **** off. And everyone that ought Clark Hunt was a bad owner well look no further than Da͏n Gilbert
Gilbert is shitty but he gave LeBron everything he wanted.
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Al Bundy 07-03-2017 04:29 PM
Durant is back.. 2 years 53 million.

BWillie 07-03-2017 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Al Bundy (Post 12942116)
Durant is back.. 2 years 53 million.
Warriors are set to have to pay about 212 million dollars in luxury tax in 2019. I do not know how they will do it. They have to have that cash on hand too, not in installments. Crazy how any owner would just do that, but if it means championships and that is cost effective compared to the bottom line, I guess. Back up the Brinks truck.

Al Bundy 07-03-2017 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 12942126)
Warriors are set to have to pay about 212 million dollars in luxury tax in 2019. I do not know how they will do it. They have to have that cash on hand too, not in installments. Crazy how any owner would just do that, but if it means championships and that is cost effective compared to the bottom line, I guess. Back up the Brinks truck.
Will be worth it.

mcaj22 07-03-2017 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 12942126)
Warriors are set to have to pay about 212 million dollars in luxury tax in 2019. I do not know how they will do it. They have to have that cash on hand too, not in installments. Crazy how any owner would just do that, but if it means championships and that is cost effective compared to the bottom line, I guess. Back up the Brinks truck.
by that time they will have made BILLIONS off these championship runs.

So that is more than worth it for them. The players they have are very marketable, they all sell, they all appeal to different NBA fan demographics. It's not just Lebron James and then a bunch of whatever.

Each player literally has their own fan base. Klay was just in China? He looks like a god over there.

BWillie 07-03-2017 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 12942211)
by that time they will have made BILLIONS off these championship runs.

So that is more than worth it for them. The players they have are very marketable, they all sell, they all appeal to different NBA fan demographics. It's not just Lebron James and then a bunch of whatever.

Each player literally has their own fan base. Klay was just in China? He looks like a god over there.
This is what the luxury tax was paid by teams in 2016:
Cleveland 54 million (which is basically unheard of thus far)
Clippers 19 million
Golden State 14 million
Oklahoma City 14 million
San Antonio 5 million
Houston 5 million
Chicago 4 million

The other 23 teams didn't pay anything.

KC_Connection 07-03-2017 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12941774)
Lebron is gone in 2018
Yep, I'm thinking next summer is the time when LeBron, CP3, and Carmelo finally get together on one team. Looks like they've set it up that way. Add PG to that mix in LA and you might have something pretty good (although they'll be pretty old by May/June 2019 when they'll need to beat the Warriors).

BWillie 07-03-2017 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 12942228)
Yep, I'm thinking next summer is the time when LeBron, CP3, and Carmelo finally get together on one team. Looks like they've set it up that way. Add PG to that mix in LA and you might have something pretty good (although they'll be pretty old by May/June 2019 when they'll need to beat the Warriors).
So it'll be like the movie Last Vegas? Bunch of old guys on their last hurrah.

BigCatDaddy 07-03-2017 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 12942235)
So it'll be like the movie Last Vegas? Bunch of old guys on their last hurrah.
Reminds me of the Drexler/Barkley/Hakeem Rockets

PAChiefsGuy 07-03-2017 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 12941803)
Kobe was like Jordan, an all time great. You can't treat him like you would every other guy, the fans won't have it.

And I'm not saying it never happens, just that it's quite rare.

And the Pacers weren't actively trying to trade PG at the deadline. As far as I know, Boston came to Indy with that offer. At that time, they were still trying to add pieces to keep PG happy. Which they failed miserably at, BTW.
They were trying to trade him and Paul George wasn't happy about it.

http://sportsnaut.com/2017/02/paul-g...rade-deadline/

I think Pacers know he isn't as good as people make him out to be. He's good don't get me wrong but more of a #2 option than #1 and probably not worth the money he will get. Like countless other NBA players.

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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 12942211)
by that time they will have made BILLIONS off these championship runs.

So that is more than worth it for them. The players they have are very marketable, they all sell, they all appeal to different NBA fan demographics. It's not just Lebron James and then a bunch of whatever.

Each player literally has their own fan base. Klay was just in China? He looks like a god over there.
What's the point of the luxury tax then? It's pointless IMO. Then again, I guess the name of the tax pretty much fits its purpose.

Miles 07-03-2017 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 12942238)
Reminds me of the Drexler/Barkley/Hakeem Rockets
The space cowboys team.

OldSchool 07-03-2017 11:10 PM
Warriors are Golden for the next few years. The owner already said he doesn't care about the luxury tax. That team is one of the most valuable in all of sports, another couple of hundred million a year on salary is a small price to pay to keep it that way.

penbrook 07-04-2017 11:27 AM
George Hill and Zach Randolph to the Kings

Al Bundy 07-04-2017 12:23 PM
Gordon Hayward is running away from the Warriors.


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