Actually, I’m pretty sure the Chiefs ended the year number 1 in the NFL converting 3rd and 1 or less. I know it felt like our short yardage game sucked, but we were actually doing really well at it. The last stat I saw for it was during the Miami game where we were #1, converting 89% of 3rd and 1 or less attempts. They showed the stat as we attempted and converted another 3rd and 1 so it got a little better after that. Interesting and surprising, isn’t it?

Yes, the league figured out the shovel passes, which is why they stopped trying them.

This is what CHunt chose to do with the Chiefs. He fell in love with Reid and sided with Reid in his little power struggle with Dorsey, now we in essence have Reid given full control of everything... even after producing basically nothing in the postseason given 5 tries.

Obviously, ownership is very comfortable with the results Reid has delivered so far and where the franchise is at right now.

It’s a good thing Pat’s biggest strength is improvisation when the play breaks down. Hopefully it will overcome Andy’s issues.

Considering the state of the franchise from 1998 to 2012 (and 1971-1988), the ownership has every right to feel comfortable with their current trajectory.

Clark Hunt wouldn't go to the locker room after the embarrassment. I think its safe to say he's pretty pissed.

I'm sure he just had to hit the can or something

That would just be baffling if it's true because it sure seems like this team just hasn't had the ability to line up and smash the ball forward on 3rd and short or the goal line.


I've been wondering what the rushing comparisons were when Morris was in/out. He was hurt early in the year and Hunt was running beast fuel, then he came back and team/rushing results tanked, then he was hurt again....I think offensive line is probably more to blame as the inside three have been sketchy imo.

I'm so "meh" about this hiring for OC....He's a Reid puppet and I just can't fathom that this move gets the offense away from the turtle-up effect to protect a lead, or inability to score when they HAVE to do so to win.

I'll believe it when I see it.

TO THE SHIP!!!
 

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In order for Mahomes to overcome Andy's playcalling you gotta hope he has some Favre in him in what I mean by that is the desire to go "**** it this call sucks" and change it. He apparently did it to Childress all the time.

I’m an idiot and don’t know how to link things on here but there’s an article on Rams Wire by USA Today comparing how bad the Rams were to KC (still best at the time at 92.9%). That was at the end of November. Washington post has a stats section that you can filter %1st conversion by run on 3rd and <3 yds. Hunt was #2 at 90% success after Freeman who had 92.9% on the season. That’s a little different than team success on 3rd and 1, but the takeaway is that we were actually really good converting 3rd downs in short yardage and that applies to both rushing and passing.

I know it’s odd, but that’s what the numbers show.

:facepalm:

Some other interesting and totally unrelated stats I saw while looking for the source on these 3rd down numbers is that the Patriots lead the league with 50 first downs granted by penalty on opposing teams. KC got 29 that way.

KC’s defense also allowed the most first downs to opposing offenses in the league at 352, almost 100 more than the best defense (Jags) who only allowed 257 first downs.

I should post that last one in the Fire Sutton thread.

I have two problems with this.

1. Bienemy is good at his job as RB's coach. He's gotten guys to play over their ability IMO. Now we are out a high quality RB coach. He wont' be doing that anymore.

2. In the modern NFL, hiring an offensive coordinator with very little if ANY experience working in the passing game is not a good idea.

What power struggle?

Goddamn, you have just assumed a narrative sans any evidence and present it as undisputed truth.

If Dorsey had a power struggle with anyone, it was with Clark.

And probably 0 due to DPI

If not zero, pretty close to it. For as smart as Smith is, he sure doesn’t take advantage of the gift of defensive holding or PI.

I honestly don't remember a single one

To be fair, that might be because Hill is so good at adjusting to those underthrown balls and catching them that flags don’t get thrown. It’s amazing watching him recognize and come back to catch the ball. The corners can’t adjust that quickly and catch him. They’d probably interfere if they could get a hand on him.

Reid will show him the ropes.

We'll start calling him "L'il Andy "

"L'il Red".

Other than being a good RB coach, a good motivator and being in this system for 5 years what prevents Bienemy from being a good OC? All I hear is a shitload of assumptions being made by a bunch of couch coaches who obviously know more than people making a living at this.

Right

Because it's so ****ing complicated, you need to be a rocket science to sports some football.

FML.

Give ball to mahomes, watch the show. Simple

Andy Reid played OL.

Its not like guys only know the position they played, especially after they have been coaching for 10 years and in the same place for 4 or 5.

I want one more guy in there to help work on this offense.

Crazy that we had Andy, Bieniemy, Nagy, Pederson and Childress all working on the offense at one point.

Right.

And when he builds a 21-3 lead at halftime in the playoffs, you go 65% run with Khunt.

See? All we need is a defensive coordinator.

Well, running backs do catch passes, and Beinemy specialized as a third down back, when most teams pass, so...

You also stay aggressive because the other team KNOWS you want to pound it. 21 points is not enough in the playoffs.

Just let patty cake make it shake!!

As we've seen

As some have been saying - Darrell Bevell would be a huge add if he could be convinced to come under a non-coordinator title. Make him the pass game coordinator/asst HC or something like that. He would be great for Mahomes, understands the WCO, has worked with a young star in Wilson and has playcalling experience. All that plus he has ties to some of the Chiefs current staff from prior working experience. That would be a coup for KC.

But who am I kidding.

Bevell would make Andy and Bieniemy look the fool. He is too much of a threat to Andy’s ego.

We can’t have nice things as Chiefs fans. And Sutton lives on.....

You are correct. We are soft in the trenches on both sides of the ball. Defensive line is obvious. To your point about the o-line we cannot run the ball "at will" when needed. The last time we could do that was from 02-05 and then in the early to mid 90's. Remember those days? Teams would stack the box and our o-lines would just "yawn"(whatever:rolleyes:) and we would still get our 5-7 yd gains every time we would run moving the chains at will. Those o-lines were just NASTY to the point where the 02-05 line made Ray Lewis a crying bitch on Monday Nite Football.ROFL

We need to get back to that nastiness PERIOD !!!:thumb:

BUT Andy is not run first guy and is more finesse so he wants more athletic ballerina type o-linemen so good luck trying run smash mouth when you need it.:rolleyes:

That's what McNabb did.

Holy shit, you going for worst CP poster of 2018?

I’d like to add Bevell myself, but to sit there and pretend that he’s a significantly better offensive mind than Reid is ****ing reeruned. He has his warts too, just ask any Seahawks fan.

It makes sense to hire from within because while WCO philosophies are all similar, enough time has passed since Bill Walsh that the terminology and wrinkles are all different. Why have to have an OC or worse the entire offense re-learn everything to be on the same page? I think people are way overthinking this.

I remember a Super Bowl...passed when shoulda run...

****, Bevell is the same guy.

I only like him because I like "him."

I'm not a fan of an offense he hasn't produced yet...

Ha.

You are just making up crazy shit now.

I would've been perfectly fine with Bevell, Seattle of course is a good feather in his cap, but Brett Favre also really loved playing for him in Minnesota, had one of his very best seasons with Bevell

That said, I'm cool with Eric... he will be a consistent advocate for running the damn ball, and we obviously need that

I'm not sold on this move yet. I understand that it hopefully will help Reid utilize the running game more, but I am concerned about his ability to be a effective OC as he only was a offensive coordinator in Colorado under head coach Jon Embree from 2011 to 2012. Colorado was 4-21 during that time frame.

Reid will be like, "what if we threw a bubble screen? It's like an extended handoff..."

EB sighs, thinks "****" to hisself and nods in agreement with Reid, because he likes his promotion.

Andy's offensive scheme is absolutely brilliant.
His situational playcalling is atrocious.

Let's not confuse the two. From a scheme standpoint, Andy's puts clown shoes on Bevell. And that's not an insult to Bevell.

Nah, not buying that narrative... give the man a fair shot

His resume for OC isnt the best, its a big jump, but prideful professionals are rarely stagnant... they learn new tricks

Not only have the Chiefs not said a mouse peep about Sutton, they've barely said anything about Bieniemy being hired. I have a feeling they have something up their sleeve and that they'll want to announce it all at once. Holding out hope that Kingsbury is still in play - would be a tremendous replacement for Chilly.

No.
Bevell is a great offensive schemer. His problem was the sub-NFL standard offensive lines the Seahawks have tried to get by with the last couple years along with no replacements for Lynch’s production in the backfield. He’s a great x and o guy who is liked by his players along with being a good technical coach.

The Seattle fired OC seems like a great fit but I’m guessing he wants OC job.

We take arguably our best offensive coach away from a job he's doing well and give him a token job as half OC. Unless we hire a great new RB coach our staff has gotten worse, all because Reid refuses to loosen his grip on the offense.

Interviewing the guy from USC. Apparently he's one of the best. That's one positive of the way Reid runs his staff, we are always going to be able to get top talent because Reid is so ****ing good at getting them moved up the ladder.

Andy does find good coaches. I'm not too worried even though Sutton is technically still employed.

Why on earth would we want Kingsbury, what does he know about the WCO?

I dont care that he coached Pat, lets get DC straightened out

Exactly. Childress was a spread analyst. He played a huge part in helping Andy design a really innovative offense. Teams have has success running air raid and run n shoot for a WCO. As a spread analyst he wouldnt call plays or create a scheme. But hed play a huge role I think in helping design a scheme that fits mahomes strengths. And even if he's not a traditional nfl qbs coach, he could probably be a big help to mahomes in his development.

I dont feel like arguing, but you're reaching hard here

We need to be polishing the kid, not encouraging that freewheeling schoolyard crap

He wouldn't be a QBs coach. He wouldn't call the plays.

Anything he does has to go through Andy Reid first, has to pass Bieniemy second. Any fundamentals will be overseen by Kafka. Meantime he can save Reid plenty of time by putting together a passing plan and helping out as needed. He's more than capable of those things and that gives Reid more time to focus on Mahomes.

But most importantly, why wouldn't we adapt the offense to the Air Raid & Run n Shoot? The Saints do it a lot, and no one would consider their offense schoolyard crap. Andy Reid brought in Chris Ault a few years ago to consult on RPO. Our offense didn't become RPO, but we used it enough that you could easily see its influence. Our offense isn't pure spread, but you could see the Spread's fingerprints all over our offense, which is thanks to Chilly. Why wouldn't we do the same with Air Raid & Run N Shoot?

Much as we'd like for Bevel to accept this role, it would be a big time demotion for him. This is actually a perfect job for Kingsbury because it allows him to build an NFL resume while learning from some of the best on how to adapt to the NFL. Because I don't see Kingsbury sticking around college for very long.

Was Kingsbury ever in play? Link?

No.

Just more zilla horseshit.

The girl lives in fantasy land.

No, I am just wondering if there is a plan to backfill Childress. I don't see why they wouldn't.

We did. So STFU.

Even though in confident Andy will call the plays I like this. Eric will have the ear of Andy to run it more. With Hunt and Ware it would be wise to limit Mahomes.

Bieniemy pushed the running backs. Now he will push the entire offense. Calling plays or not, that is great in itself.

off a cliff.

This is absolutely correct.

Childress is terrible.

I have no idea what the **** he's talking about.

Childress is a terrible offensive coordinator. But he was only a coordinator for one year. The other years he was a spread analyst. The Chiefs offense is extremely innovative with their spread concepts. It seems like chilly did his job just fine.

The Chiefs hired Bieniemy as their offensive coordinator.

Meanwhile, the Vikings hired John DeFilippo, Carson Wentz QB coach the past two seasons and the guy that coached up Nick Foles towards the Super Bowl.

:facepalm:

Bieniemy might do something crazy, like try to convince Reid to call a power run from under center on 1st and goal from the 1.

Ummm how is it going to be first and goal from the one when Patty Cakes is going to throw 70 yard TD bombs every drive?

Every once in a while Houston will snag an INT while in deep coverage and take it back to the one.

ROFL

Why are you laughing? Andy Reid still calls plays and creates the offense.

EB has interviewed for several jobs and has yet to be hired, probably because no one can figure out what he actually does on game day.

I'm not insulting the man but it's not like we're seeing a different offense than we've seen since Reid arrived.