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Mother****erJones 09-23-2018 02:36 PM

Inject this mother****er into this defensive veins directly

SAUTO 09-23-2018 02:44 PM

Thomas with the pick today...

pugsnotdrugs19 09-23-2018 02:52 PM

Veach needs to pursue him aggressively but don’t get bent over. They’re gonna want rid of him one way or another. Don’t give in to their demands.

carcosa 09-23-2018 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spott (Post 13755862)
We need this to happen ASAP

Yes!

carcosa 09-23-2018 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SAUTO (Post 13755980)
Thomas with the pick today...

Please trade for him, Veach!!!

carcosa 09-23-2018 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13756044)
Veach needs to pursue him aggressively but don’t get bent over. They’re gonna want rid of him one way or another. Don’t give in to their demands.

I think it might be worth getting bent over at this point

MahiMike 09-23-2018 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by carcosa (Post 13756056)
I think it might be worth getting bent over at this point

Yea as opposed to getting bent over every week.

TLO 09-23-2018 03:09 PM

Only 600 more posts until Veaxh trades for him!

LET'S GO!!

OKchiefs 09-23-2018 03:09 PM

Well, if the alternative is drafting Breeland Speaks or Dorian O'Daniel, I'd rather just give up the picks. This team can't draft on defense.

ping2000 09-23-2018 03:15 PM

He will only come here if Sutton is dead.

stumppy 09-23-2018 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DenverChief (Post 13755784)
Anyone that watched todays game and still thinks that Thomas would not be an immediate upgrade for this defense needs their head examined

Agreed.

I wasn't to hot about signing him until the 2cnd half gut punch from this defense.

If we could sign him for 2-3 years and get what's left in his tank then I say go for it.

FloridaMan88 09-23-2018 03:23 PM

The time is NOW to go all in with this historic offense.

Mahomes on his rookie contract key players on offense in their prime and healthy.

Veach must capitalize by fixing the defense as much as possible before the trade deadline.

pugsnotdrugs19 09-23-2018 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 13756216)
The time is NOW to go all in with this historic offense.

Mahomes on his rookie contract key players on offense in their prime and healthy.

Veach must capitalize by fixing the defense as much as possible before the trade deadline.

I agree.

Everyone says that you have to keep building for the future but the reality is we will never have an offense like the one we have right now again. Maybe 2019 too, that’s it.

Go for it all.

CaliforniaChief 09-23-2018 03:25 PM

I wonder if Veach would do it without a new contract in place, or if he tries to work out a conditional deal. But if it's true that Dallas has already offered a 2nd, Seattle won't go for that.

If Thomas wants to, he can demand Dallas or nothing.

mnchiefsguy 09-23-2018 03:27 PM

**** it.

Let's trade one 2nd round pick for Earl Thomas, and see if Arizona will take the other for Patrick Pederson.

ALL IN.

New World Order 09-23-2018 03:28 PM

Yep. Especially now with Peters potentially out the rest of the year.

pugsnotdrugs19 09-23-2018 03:29 PM

Get Thomas now and that’s (presumably) one less need next offseason.

Yeah you use money on him, but they could then lock in on front 7 primarily and CB for the draft.

staylor26 09-23-2018 03:30 PM

I’m all in on this idea now.

We can win a ****ing SB with Thomas, Berry, and Sorensen down the stretch. Go for it.

FloridaMan88 09-23-2018 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13756227)
I agree.

Everyone says that you have to keep building for the future but the reality is we will never have an offense like the one we have right now again. Maybe 2019 too, that’s it.

Go for it all.

Different era so not an exact apples/apples comparison, but see Marino’s epic rookie season with the Dolphins. I remember a lot of Miami fans assuming that would be the start of several Super Bowl appearances/championships with Marino, but it was not to be.

Especially in today’s NFL with salary cap realities and the window of salary cap flexibility with Mahomes on his rookie contract, the Chiefs have to capitalize.

pugsnotdrugs19 09-23-2018 03:31 PM

This defense will never be really good by any means BUT if you replace their current safety group with EB and Earl, I mean... that’s the best safety group in the league.

Let’s do the damn thing.

ping2000 09-23-2018 03:32 PM

I would hate to play in this scheme. No one likes backing up all the time like the French in WWII. Then you get a motivational talk from a senior citizen with dementia.

Imon Yourside 09-23-2018 03:33 PM

Longshot? shortshot? at least we gotta shot!

NJChiefsFan 09-23-2018 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy (Post 13756242)
**** it.

Let's trade one 2nd round pick for Earl Thomas, and see if Arizona will take the other for Patrick Pederson.

ALL IN.

Is Patrick on the market?

carcosa 09-23-2018 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy (Post 13756242)
**** it.

Let's trade one 2nd round pick for Earl Thomas, and see if Arizona will take the other for Patrick Pederson.

ALL IN.

Let's GOOOOOOOOOO

KChiefs1 09-23-2018 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SAUTO (Post 13755980)
Thomas with the pick today...


We need someone to create some turnovers.

Mecca 09-23-2018 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 13756285)
Is Patrick on the market?

Well they are a terrible team and by the time they're any good he'll be an aging player with a huge contract..probably be best if they could get something for him.

New World Order 09-23-2018 03:54 PM

'15 Royals went all in

Look what happened.

Champs

carcosa 09-23-2018 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 13756359)
'15 Royals went all in

Look what happened.

Champs

THIS!!!!

Rasputin 09-23-2018 03:59 PM

I'm cool if/or not we get Earl Thomas I assume it be like getting Johny Cueto for a year and win it all but he maybe high cost and we could just hold pat and do this through the draft and build a dynasty one for the ages.

dannybcaitlyn 09-23-2018 03:59 PM

Meh, doubt it happens.

Mecca 09-23-2018 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo (Post 13756378)
I'm cool if/or not we get Earl Thomas I assume it be like getting Johny Cueto for a year and win it all but he maybe high cost and we could just hold pat and do this through the draft and build a dynasty one for the ages.

With his cap number you'd have to give him a new contract for it to work.

TLO 09-23-2018 04:03 PM

Only like 569 moor posts till he signs!

New World Order 09-23-2018 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 13756385)
With his cap number you'd have to give him a new contract for it to work.

They can afford him if they cut Sorensen

carcosa 09-23-2018 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dannybcaitlyn (Post 13756381)
Meh, doubt it happens.

SHUSH

Hydrae 09-23-2018 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by TLO (Post 13756394)
Only like 569 moor posts till he signs!

800 posts to get him signed?

Mecca 09-23-2018 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 13756395)
They can afford him if they cut Sorensen

You could do some restructuring to make it work...

T-post Tom 09-23-2018 04:16 PM

He'll be 30 in May and wants a long term deal. Not happy with his $8.5M base salary this year. (Last year of his current contract.) About to be fined by Seahags for missing practice. Openly asking another team to trade for him. Smart money says he won't land with the Chiefs.

Jerok 09-23-2018 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by T-post Tom (Post 13756438)
He'll be 30 in May and wants a long term deal. Not happy with his $8.5M base salary this year. (Last year of his current contract.) About to be fined by Seahags for missing practice. Openly asking another team to trade for him. Smart money says he won't land with the Chiefs.

Maybe but he knows if he goes to a Superbowl and makes some plays he could get another 10 mil on that last contract.

carcosa 09-23-2018 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hydrae (Post 13756421)
800 posts to get him signed?

I WILL POST AS MUCH AS IT TAKES

carcosa 09-23-2018 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by T-post Tom (Post 13756438)
He'll be 30 in May and wants a long term deal. Not happy with his $8.5M base salary this year. (Last year of his current contract.) About to be fined by Seahags for missing practice. Openly asking another team to trade for him. Smart money says he won't land with the Chiefs.

Smart money says stfu!!!!

T-post Tom 09-23-2018 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerok (Post 13756449)
Maybe but he knows if he goes to a Superbowl and makes some plays he could get another 10 mil on that last contract.

I see the lack of interest on the Chiefs part. By most accounts, Seattle wants a lot. The Chiefs aren't going to want to give up the store for a rent-a-player. And I doubt they want to sign a soon-to-be 30 player to a mega contract. Not with the vacuum of EB's contract sucking on the salary cap. I have no idea how Thomas would respond to a trade with the Chiefs. But based on his current behavior, he doesn't seem like a team player. And I'm pretty sure Andy isn't going to mess up the locker room karma & current win streak with a potential malcontent.

Prison Bitch 09-23-2018 04:26 PM

If he's a FA after the year, the lulz @ posters offering a 2. Just lulz

T-post Tom 09-23-2018 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carcosa (Post 13756458)
Smart money says stfu!!!!

Follow your mother's lead and ...


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oldman 09-23-2018 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 13756263)
I’m all in on this idea now.

We can win a ****ing SB with Thomas, Berry, and Sorensen down the stretch. Go for it.

Here's a question. Who'll be ready to play first, Berry or Sorensen? If something doesn't happen soon, it just might be Dirty Dan. I wouldn't give up more than a 2nd and maybe 6th or 7th and only if we have a reasonable 3 year deal in place. We've already got too much money tied up in aging/broke players.

Mecca 09-23-2018 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 13756478)
If he's a FA after the year, the lulz @ posters offering a 2. Just lulz

Pretty sure if you make that deal you are signing him to a new deal.

Jerok 09-23-2018 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 13756486)
Pretty sure if you make that deal you are signing him to a new deal.

I don't see the Chiefs signing him a deal, this would be a rental.

And Seattle would probably get a 3rd or 4th round comp pick for him so they definitely want a second I'd say.

BigCatDaddy 09-23-2018 04:46 PM

Wha kind of deal is a 29 year old safety looking for?

SAUTO 09-23-2018 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy (Post 13756242)
**** it.

Let's trade one 2nd round pick for Earl Thomas, and see if Arizona will take the other for Patrick Pederson.

ALL IN.

Now this I can really get behind. Go all MLB on that ass.

Mecca 09-23-2018 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 13756540)
Wha kind of deal is a 29 year old safety looking for?

The same type of deal Berry was looking for probably..tons of guys make more than him now so that's his issue.

staylor26 09-23-2018 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 13756486)
Pretty sure if you make that deal you are signing him to a new deal.

Exactly.

rico 09-23-2018 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerok (Post 13756522)
I don't see the Chiefs signing him a deal, this would be a rental.

And Seattle would probably get a 3rd or 4th round comp pick for him so they definitely want a second I'd say.

If the Chiefs are merely showing interest, then I think an extension is inevitable. He has been a headache for the Seahawks this year and it’s all because they won’t give him an extension. If we trade for him and don’t extend him, we are essentially trading for Seattle’s headache... I’d be willing to bet that any team showing interest, has intentions of signing him to an extension... otherwise, they will be trading for a year of butthurt and drama.

Mecca 09-23-2018 04:54 PM

The guy does deserve what he's asking for, Seattle has a ton of money and won't pay him. He's been an elite player forever.

farmerchief 09-23-2018 04:54 PM

If we wanted a Seattle safety we should have kept Bradley McDougald, when we had him!

FAX 09-23-2018 04:55 PM

I'm not sure we can afford the Earl Of Whack.

Wish we could, though.

FAX

RunKC 09-23-2018 04:55 PM

Similar structure as the Watkins deal is fine.

Low cap hit year 1, medium cap hit year 2 ($12 million), big cap hit year 3 ($17 million) with a way out

rico 09-23-2018 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 13756565)
The guy does deserve what he's asking for, Seattle has a ton of money and won't pay him. He's been an elite player forever.

Hell yeah...a second team all pro just last year! Which means he was 1st team all pro 3 times between 2010-2016 (and 2nd team all pro another one of those years). There is still has in the tank here.

Mecca 09-23-2018 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 13756578)
Similar structure as the Watkins deal is fine.

Low cap hit year 1, medium cap hit year 2 ($12 million), big cap hit year 3 ($17 million) with a way out

The Chiefs gain something like 18 million back of dead money thats on the books this year, if you are walking away on Bailey Houston and Ford which is likely you can sign Thomas to a 4 or 5 year deal and be fine.

Matter of fact it's probably the smart thing to do because he's likely to be productive longer than Berry. So you still have a vet leader when you walk on Berry in 2 years.

rico 09-23-2018 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FAX (Post 13756575)
I'm not sure we can afford the Earl Of Whack.

Wish we could, though.

FAX

I’ve been wondering about how they free up the money...I think we may end up trading a player to them along with a pick...

Mecca 09-23-2018 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rico (Post 13756592)
I’ve been wondering about how they free up the money...I think we may end up trading a player to them along with a pick...

You ask team hero Eric Berry to restructure his contract...either that or you ask Kelce to do it since he is in no danger of being cut anytime soon and his number is pretty big this year..Fisher is the other option of doing one.

FAX 09-23-2018 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 13756596)
You ask team hero Eric Berry to restructure his contract...either that or you ask Kelce to do it since he is in no danger of being cut anytime soon and his number is pretty big this year..Fisher is the other option of doing one.

That's really the only way you could make it happen. Heavy guaranteed dollars up front, too.

FAX

carcosa 09-23-2018 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by T-post Tom (Post 13756480)

No thank you!!!

mcaj22 09-23-2018 05:03 PM

Thomas's game should age well as a safety in the mold of Eric Weddle, Ed Reed and Charles Woodson into his thirties. I think it would be a good investment.

rico 09-23-2018 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 13756596)
You ask team hero Eric Berry to restructure his contract...either that or you ask Kelce to do it since he is in no danger of being cut anytime soon and his number is pretty big this year..Fisher is the other option of doing one.

I need some work on learning this contractual stuff.

You don’t think there’s a chance we trade one of our OLB’s? Is it possible we trade Ford or Houston and roll with Speaks, Kpass and Ford/Houston and whoever? Would they trade Allen Bailey?

rico 09-23-2018 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 13756608)
Thomas's game should age well as a safety in the mold of Eric Weddle, Ed Reed and Charles Woodson into his thirties. I think it would be a good investment.

That’s what I was saying earlier. Hell Woodson was like 39-40 when he retired. Thomas is 29...

Mecca 09-23-2018 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rico (Post 13756623)
I need some work on learning this contractual stuff.

You don’t think there’s a chance we trade one of our OLB’s? Is it possible we trade Ford or Houston and roll with Speaks, Kpass and Ford/Houston and whoever? Would they trade Allen Bailey?

No. Trading Bailey isn't helpful, there's nothing behind him and he's in his last year.

For a restructure you simply look for a guy with a huge cap number and you can push some money to the end by paying it to him now. If you want to cut a guy soon you don't do it..but if you say know for a fact that Travis Kelce is going to be here for 6 more years and you will likely sign him again after you restructure him and don't worry about it.

You're basically just pushing his cap hit into the future, you don't do that for a guy you want to get rid of though.

rico 09-23-2018 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 13756641)
No. Trading Bailey isn't helpful, there's nothing behind him and he's in his last year.

For a restructure you simply look for a guy with a huge cap number and you can push some money to the end by paying it to him now. If you want to cut a guy soon you don't do it..but if you say know for a fact that Travis Kelce is going to be here for 6 more years and you will likely sign him again after you restructure him and don't worry about it.

You're basically just pushing his cap hit into the future, you don't do that for a guy you want to get rid of though.

Ahhh ok, that makes sense. Thank you.

carcosa 09-23-2018 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 13756608)
Thomas's game should age well as a safety in the mold of Eric Weddle, Ed Reed and Charles Woodson into his thirties. I think it would be a good investment.

Yes!

htismaqe 09-23-2018 05:14 PM

Just get it done.

stumppy 09-23-2018 05:15 PM

Thomas with the int. Damn

TribalElder 09-23-2018 05:15 PM

can we get that guy please

thanks

Chiefs4TheWin 09-23-2018 05:16 PM

2 Picks for Thomas.

Mecca 09-23-2018 05:16 PM

Earl Thomas, still a great player.

CaliforniaChief 09-23-2018 05:17 PM

The price is going up.

Mecca 09-23-2018 05:18 PM

Maybe he's playing balls out because he wants someone to go damn that dude has still got it.

CaliforniaChief 09-23-2018 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 13756680)
Maybe he's playing balls out because he wants someone to go damn that dude has still got it.

I mean after watching our defense, I could watch Ray Lewis play in a retirement home celebrity game and say "damn that dude has still got it." :D

TLO 09-23-2018 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hydrae (Post 13756421)
800 posts to get him signed?

Sure!

rico 09-23-2018 05:22 PM

And the dude had a streak where he played 107 straight regular season games... So apparently, he’s pretty durable... 29 isn’t old for him.

staylor26 09-23-2018 05:24 PM

I just find it hard to believe we’re willing to invest that much into our safety group.

RunKC 09-23-2018 05:24 PM

Dude has 2 picks today.

Mecca 09-23-2018 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 13756703)
I just find it hard to believe we’re willing to invest that much into our safety group.

Yea well that other safety we have probably should be cut in 2 years...he isn't durable at all.


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