Lol what pass rushers were still available around that time? Oh that’s right nobody.

Could have paid Flowers earlier, Ziggy Ansah was available. Maybe a Jerry Hughes type. Couple of older band aid types maybe

Obviously not of Clarks caliber, but the money would have been less.

He obviously wouldn’t have costed draft picks, but Trey Flowers got elite pass rusher money and he’s not elite. He’s a good solid player that the Pats probably made look a lot better than he actually is, hence why they didn’t even attempt a tag & trade. We added his DL coach, so I’m going to give them the benefit of the doubt since they chose not to go in that direction. Overpaying an overachiever from the Pats is an awful idea. We know how that usually plays out.

And Ansah? LMAO

That’s exactly what this defense needed. Replace a brokedick with... an older brokedick!

Just stop dude.

It's just another way to go about it. Doesn't make it right or wrong. Bill went that way with adding an aging Michael Bennett and some other pieces etc.

Again, I'm not sure why we can't have any discussions about other ways in which they could have went about adding a pass rusher.

With what they paid for Clark, there were other ways they could have went to potentially add a few other additional role type players. That's obviously not the way they went with it, but ti doesn't necessarily make it wrong.

I’m not necessarily saying it’s wrong either, but you’re kidding yourself if you think we’re better today going in that direction and making any of these moves you’re talking about. Maybe in 2-4 years, but not immediately. Clark’s impact is going to be HUGE.

We’re trying to win a Super Bowl. We don’t need to start making moves like this until Pat makes big money in 2021.

I agree with your strategy for future value, but not right now.

Hopefully so. They def need it.

Those 20 seconds before the penalty was called on Dee Ford was the happiest time I've ever had as a Chiefs fan.

For those 20 seconds, the Super Bowl was a reality. After the call, I fell to my knees and yelled because I knew exactly what was going to happen next.

Don't disagree.

It's just hard to win SB's. Give yourself as many chances as you can.

When did Noah build the ark?

Before the rain.

The Chiefs can't just seamlessly add a salary like the one Mahomes is going to get soon. They absolutely need to be making moves that are with an eye on 2021 and they need to have been doing it yesterday.

I think they have been and I think that's part of why this Jones deal isn't done just yet. I almost wonder if they weren't resigned to not paying Hill when they made the Clark trade and now they're kinda stuck in between plans.

If they want to keep this crew largely intact for another couple of seasons, they need to be planning every step of the way how to build as much rollover as possible. That means moving on from Williams and getting comfortable with Jack Fox. It means that if Hyde is clearly outplayed by Darrell Williams, you just bite the bullet and recover what cap space you can recover, sunk cash be damned.

You go with Hamilton, Fox and Darrell Williams instead of Williams, Colquitt and Hyde and you've found about $6 million in rollover for next season AND cleared the potential dead money that would otherwise carry over to next year off Colquitt's deal.

I don't think you can ever be too early on planning for this stuff.

From the sounds of it, Fox just isn't ready to take over at Punter.

Now, with this offense, i'd be thinking about just doing it and taking a little setback there, but they won't. By Williams, do you mean Damien or?

Xavier. Didn't make that terribly clear.

The team is a little worse (maybe) with Fox/Darrell Williams/Justin Hamilton than it is with Colquitt/Hyde/Xavier Williams - but that's also a tick over $6.5 million in cap rollover that they'll have for 2020.

And I understand that Colquitt is revered but man, this just isn't the team it's been for the last 30 damn years. Punter is pretty much the last thing I give a shit about at this point. The greatest value he has, IMO, is as a holder. And in fairness, he's damn good at that and maybe that's worth the extra $20 million he'd cost over Fox on a minimum contract. Though if Fox is just a damn mess that's largely moot. I'd be a little surprised if that were the case.

Gonna be tough to get Mahomes, Hill and Jones into this cap and keep a solid team everywhere. If moving on from a punter helps get that done, I just don't have a problem with it.

Maybe, just not sure if they'll chance it. They place a high priority on ST's, which maybe it's time not to in terms of a punter.

I'd be fine with Williams and Hyde. There's probably a few other area's you could make it cheaper at as well.

Not many.

Dirty Dan, but they don't really have a ready replacement for him. Ward and Lucas aren't as rugged, Thornhill and Mathieu are otherwise engaged.

It's tough to find many/any 7 figure cuts after that group. Most of the rest of them are cheap enough that their replacements won't cost much less. Demarcus Robinson would save about $2 million ($1.4 million after paying his replacement) but I'd rather keep him at that price point. Lucas would be about the same, Ragland even less after paying his replacement (only about $750K in savings). There's not a ton of fat on this cap right now.

If you cut Colquitt, X Williams, Hyde AND Sorensen you'd end up adding north of $10 million to next year's cap when you account for rollover and absorbing some dead money in 2019. You'd take a $30+ million cap credit into 2020 absent extensions that eat into it. It's not nothing.

I'd keep Dan. I think he's a great 3rd safety. Little expensive sure, but still.

Depends - is Spags gonna use a 3rd safety or is Dan strictly box safety insurance?

I don't get the impression that Spags is a 3rd safety guy and in fact, DoD could see that hybrid role more than we expect given Mathieus versatility and the amount of Nickel coverage we're likely to play.

I could see a scenario where Dirty Dan is a little redundant. I agree with you that it's not likely but it's not completely beyond reason either.

Based on camp reports, they've been using 3 safeties more than not. So i'd guess he stays.

If not, I could see them using DoD or Lee like that though and that would help vs the run

Good God this pick sucked. Screw Dorsey in his teeth.

Man. I was so happy.

Felt the same, too. Once the penalty wiped it away I knew how that story would end. What a waste of a magical season.

Yep. Time stood still as I thought,
"Because Chiefs"...

Has anyone really looked at the Ward interception that was nullified by Ford? At the time I was worried he was bobbling it the whole way - he ended up fumbling it out of bounds.

Of course the booth would go all zapruder film like they did on the Edelman muff. I fear they'd find some excuse to say he never had full possession. Was it air-tight?

F U D F

Was for sure an interception. Took at least 3 steps and stiff armed gronk before losing the ball out of bounds.

****. It might make me feel better if it wasn't.

It was 54 seconds left and they only had two TOs right?

sack of ****ing shit

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">After further evaluation, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/49ers?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#49ers</a> DE Dee Ford is expected to miss this week’s game against the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Giants?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Giants</a> and there’s no clear timetable for his return, sources tell me and <a href="https://twitter.com/MikeGarafolo?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MikeGarafolo</a>. The hope is Ford’s back injury settles down, but it may take some time.</p>&mdash; Tom Pelissero (@TomPelissero) <a href="https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1308485568750391296?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 22, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

They restructured his contract earlier this year, too... really are stuck with him.

Guessing one of his back muscles is lined up across the neutral zone of a nerve

Another broken down jalopy

I hope he DIES!!!!!!!!!!

Though many of his KC teammates won’t openly admit it I bet they are glad to see this turd gone. Kelce’s “five five and he is not offside” at the parade said it all.
Dee Fraud perfectly fits the you can’t fix stupid mold.

I really thought at one time that he would be a killer compliment to justin houston. ha.

More like a Jaguar XJ220.

It really only does one thing well (though it does do that thing quite well) but only when the sun is shining, the ground is dry and the wind is calm. Oh, and if it hasn't already broken down, but since it's a Jaguar it's pretty much always broken down.

It costs more than it should for a one-trick pony, it looks REALLY good on the showroom but never quite lives up to its billing. And ultimately years of attempts to baby the engineering yielded a product that just isn't what it was capable of being.

Dee Ford is just a super finicky, really unreliable, ultimately mediocre supercar.

And for some strange reason the 49ers kept kinda treating him like a work truck. Dude's just not that guy. I mean you damn near can't even have him out there practicing.

You just accept him for what he is (and is not), use him on 3rd downs and hope you have him when you need him at the end of the season.

Honestly, he kinda was when he was healthy. IIRC, we led the league in sacks in 2018 with Houston, Jones and Ford.

ROFL

The reason they treat him that way is because of this little tidbit that came out before the Super Bowl:

The simple fact is that without Dee Ford, their entire game plan isn't the same.

He sure is out of service a lot for being a Ford. Maybe he should change his name to Dee Dodge or something.

Thankful everyday we didn’t pay this brokedick

Yeah I remember that.

Frankly, I'm not sure it works without Buckner either. He was a far bigger part of that pass-rush than he gets credit for.

They needed that full package to simply be overwhelming and without Ford AND Buckner, they were good but didn't reach that pivot point of being dominant.

It’s crazy that they’ll be down to just Armstead this week from that front 4.

Yet another example of a great defense not becoming a perennial Super Bowl contender. It’s just too difficult to keep everyone, have everyone healthy, and continually replenish the talent.

An all time elite QB will always be the way to go if you’re lucky enough to get one.

**** you, Dee Ford
 

I agree with the OP, whole heartedly. :harumph:

I have to wonder, though. If he had not lined up offsides and KC went on to win the SB, it's highly unlikely they would have (finally) gotten rid of the abysmal Bob Sutton. That might have actually hurt the chances for a dynasty more in the long run.

No question.

It's just a lot harder to stack bricks to form a barrier than it is to drop a big ****ing stone in the way.

Just a few bricks break down here and there and the whole wall crumbles. Meanwhile that big ol' stone's gonna take a lot of load before it fails.

Why am I seeing this mother ****er's name again on ChiefsPlanet????????

Shoulda bought a Toyota.