I don't think it's a bad thing for a child to fear a parent. I was afraid of my dad. I loved him, but I was scared of him.

I can tolerate spanking a child.

But the part about Tyreek making his 3-year-old son "hold his arms open while he punches him in the chest" every time he cries is sickening. That goes beyond punishment in my mind. That is child abuse.

Do we have a chart...that pinpoints the exact moment when your hot psycho girlfriend destroys everything in her path?

I think a lot of men would find that useful.

Veach sucks but his mic skills are great. Put him on Thursday thunder

Agree but was it recorded in a Dubai airport? Heard that mentioned at one point during this crazy shitstorm. If it was recorded in Dubai does that matter

Yeah ... that was the part that snapped in me, as well ...

It sounds like something you do during a drinking game at a frat party or in the military to counteract the flinch response. It probably works on young men who need to develop self-control and emotional discipline.

But on a 3-year old? Nope. Not even ...

FAX

Devils advocacte here. It’s weird and absolutely disturbing about the punching thing. But was it a thump or a full on Ryu level street fighter punch?

Reek is a strong guy. If he went full street fighter on anyone of us normal clowns, we probably die.

It was, but IANAL. I would expect that would be subject to some type of legal challenge for admissability, but she wouldn't face any punishment in the US b/c it didn't happen in the US.

Maybe they'll extradite her back to the UAE.

I hope so...so Hill can burn that shit TV station to ground.

At this point, as tough as it is, Tyreek just needs to go.

Even if he somehow ended up staying, something else will inevitably come up down the road.

I'm tired of having to follow news stories about my favorite players being pieces of shit.

It's heartbreaking as a fan because I loved that team last year. Mahomes, Kelce, Hunt and Hill when they were all clicking was truly something to behold. But i'm tired of the embarrassment. We have Mahomes and we can build around him with guys who aren't lowlife scum.

It's just time to turn the page. The mental gymnastics i've performed to defend these guys is wearing me down. I'm over it. Time to move on.

Looked like UAE frowned in that but I doubt they matter much

I wondered if KS would allow the illegal recording into evidence, might re open the criminal charges

Veachs mic skills are really good. He knows how to talk to the media

On TBS!

ROFL

Terez said in the state of Kansas the recording is admissible in court

Yeah, but his workrate sucks. He better start kissing Nash's ass or he's going to end up getting buried with the rest of the vanilla midgets.

Actually, I think you're onto something there, Mr. BlackOp.

I have to admit ... I wasn't completely all in on the idea of accessing aetherial vibrations emanating from the seafloor in order to convert mass hysteria into potentially useful human energies.

But this idea would benefit mankind ... no question about it.

FAX

And move to BELTON Missouri! At least they can't draft Simmons now. That video on him is brutal.

If it was recorded in Kansas or Missouri for sure they are one party consent states

UAE could be different but if it was recorded there

Another in the thousands of reasons why Kansas sucks...why anyone lives in that place is beyond me.

Who goes there and thinks..'this place is awesome"...no one.

I was thinking Jackson county Missouri, they would probably never have shown up on the call ROFL

I must have missed the part where Tyreek is actual admitting punching his 3 yr old child in the chest. Are we just taking her word for it now?

The argument is that he didn't deny the charge.

It's a pretty solid argument, IMHO.

Of course, it conveniently omits the possibility that he could have been rolling his eyes or shaking his head or expressing denial in some other form of body language.

FAX

Northern Cass, right on the county border. We aren't talking Raymore or Harrisonville! Belt on!

Not only that...but was punching him the chest a vicious act...with reckless intent to injure? None of us know exactly what that meant..but sure as shit form the worst possible scenario in our minds.

Did he experience broken ribs?.. Did Hill knock him five feet across the room? Who ****ing knows...his girl set him up.

And think..If Hill was punching his 3 year old as hard as he could..not only would that kill him...but why would she not report it and file a restraining order? If a girl was punching my child in the chest..and wanting to injure him..she would be gone.

This isn't adding up..

So they could have been play fighting or shadow boxing while joking around on a regular basis and she used that to try and get some dirt on Tyreek? Also, the kid never told anyone of importance that his father was beating him, otherwise that would of been announced before this tape recording was released.

I mean Dorothy was all about going back to Kansas.

No, she was all about getting home which happened to be in Kansas.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand the cooler heads win the day. So with that I say goodnight, sleep tight, and kiss my ass KCTV 5!

Yeah..sorry to all those SJW that jerk off to images of Hill putting his cigarettes out on his child's forehead...must suck when reality contradicts your media driven fantasy world.

You are sheep and always will be...directed by something as simple as a bell...ding ding ..over here....ding ding...over here.

of course they are completely oblivious of the ritual..and will worship whatever the crowd demands.

Hill isn't going anywhere unless the Chiefs go full reerun like they did with Hunt. There is absolutely nothing, zip, zilch, in the audio that is incriminating. It might make Hill look like an asshole to the general public (they've thought that since forever so who cares), but nothing he said is damning in a court of law. I see no reason why this man can't remain a Chief, but I'm not a brainwashed SJW either.

He cant remain on the team because its a huge distraction that will be going on all ****ing year. Its like the eric berry situation last year but worse.

Clark just needs to loosen his panties and not give a ****. The guy is seriously reeruned when it comes to public opinion. But he was raised wealthy.

Exactly. The Pats, Skins, and Browns have all went ahead and recruited controversial players and gave zero ****s. They got a little bit of shit for it (Skins got a lot but Skins always catch shit no matter what). We as an organization need these kind of balls. The NFL doesn't give a shit about a player's character, they only pretend to. It's a cut-throat bizz and we need to get cut-throat if we wanna stay at the top. Keep Hill damit.

Seeing that the authorities are pretty strongly hinting there's a lot more info out there that they don't want to release pending investigation, this is going to be a long month. It's really only delaying the inevitable.

Well, seeing as she's an admitted liar, I don't believe a ****ing word she says.

Hill gots the Haglund's?

Robinson is ready to have 1500 yards next year.

This is ****ing reeruned

So hill needs to leave this chick now

He needs to get a restraining order to keep her away forever.

She is trash just like him. Street walking trash.

It's weird... you get more bent out of shape about cap violations and that sort of thing than you do one of these guys potentially doing something terrible to another person.

There's no doubt that Hill and this woman are a toxic mess and should not be with each other, but that shouldn't absolve him from any blame in what has happened over the course of their relationship.

My hope is that neither of them regains custody of the kid...

All we know is that :

She lied about what happened
And
Tyreek has maintained his innocence

That's it.

That recorded conversation? She was baiting him.

I don't understand why everyone thinks it's some smoking gun, when she's a liar who's probably either lying outright, at best...and at worst, is exaggerating and making stuff up to twist it around, at worst.

I mean, if Tyreek Hill NFL superstar and workout maven, had punched his 3 year old child in the chest in the manner she suggests, the child would have sustained injuries far worse than a broken arm - the kid would've died.

Because she's an admitted liar, I have to assume she's lying about EVERYTHING.

When Tyreek says that she's been ****ing other dudes we don't know that her lying ass hasn't been ****ing other dudes, having the 3 year old call them "daddy", and some of her side dick mother****ers didn't do the abuse, ya know.

Far fetched, but the only thing we KNOW is that she's a liar and the JoCo DFS found signs of abuse, but don't know who to charge.

DFS wouldn't have taken the kid out of the home unless there was abuse happening you dumbshits.

They'll be lucky to not permanently lose custody of their kid and their soon to be born twins.

If you think Tyreek is innocent I have a bridge to sell you

Wrong DFS does that exact thing plenty of times, not only that they leave kids in abusive homes all the time.

Sure, but given that the child was removed from the home by child services and the DA thinks a crime was committed and observed what he thought were clear signs of abuse, how likely is it that they just happened to get that completely wrong?

I'm sure people are getting tired of my posting about these things, but your "she's a liar" tirade across threads is reallllllly getting stale. I haven't responded to it up until this point only because it's just too ridiculous and it's clear that you are aggressively projecting your own issues onto the situation.

But you don't need to believe me - I told a lie when I was 13 and everything I have said since should be completely discounted according to your thermometer of justice.

Damn, this is tough to see. I hope Hill receives the help he needs. This is bigger than football. Parenting is so darn important and it is a dying art.

31 teams just got a hard-on... Knowing Clark, somebody's going to get the fastest NFL WR for a song...

Browns are waiting in anticipation of his release.

Dorsey is building a monster in Cleveland.

Okay you keep clinging to hope that Hill, a man who choked his pregnant girlfriend is innocent. It's all just a vast conspiracy to take down an innocent man.

This is going to play out exactly like the Hunt thing. Fans are going to defend him or rationalize it, even more damning evidence will come out and he'll be gone.

Brother, she's making stuff up. There's no way Tyreek punched his 3 year old son in the manner she suggests on that recording.

He would've KILLED the kid.

There's so much that doesn't add up in her story, that I'm inclined to disbelieve her, because she admittedly lied in the family court proceedings. About what?

I don't know.

I'm just not ready to judge, condemn, and throw the guy away just because of what she says on that recording.

My ex-wife tried some similar shit a few years ago, and I've since been exonerated, she apologized, and she's now a good friend whom I work with for the sake of my daughter.

Hell, I wouldn't have the relationship with my daughter today WITHOUT my ex-wife's help in facilitating it.

But in 2015, she was recording phone conversations, making stuff up, wild accusations that didn't happen FOR THE PURPOSE OF THE RECORDING, which pissed me off and I said some shit I shouldn't have said out of anger.

So...I'm just saying, I know how these things work, ya feel me?

I respect you and your opinion, I'm just saying...I don't think he did what she accuses him of in the recording, and that's it's entirely possible that she's making a good portion of it up for recording, knowing that he's a hothead, and she knows how to push his buttons hard.

That needs to be considered.

That's all.

They didn't get it wrong. It's fans hoping against hope that one of their best players isn't a monster despite all of the evidence to the contrary.

That audio is such bullshit. **** THAT BITCH. yeah I said it!

At this point I'm happy they didn't just cut him.

That could all be true... unfortunately, he's unable to leave her - something he should have done years ago, but hasn't ... likely beacause of the kid. Feel bad for the kid, really bad that this is his world.

Regarding punching the kid in the chest... I've read your argument a few times, made by several and it assumes that the only way he would punch someone is with all his might.

abuse?

Most likely.

Did he punch his son in the chest the way she insinuates on the recording?

Not without breaking the kid's sternum and causing major injury.

She was performing for the recording. Baiting him to "prove" what a hothead he is...

You can never trust recordings like that.

I've got a great deal on a bridge.

Disagree.

There have always been bad people and parents. You just hear about it more today.

Me too. Let him stay on suspended status until the NFL makes a decision. Cannot make the same mistake as with Hunt again.

Ok, well, when I was 3/4 years old, I had a pair of 6 Oz boxing gloves that I would put on, and my dad had his 12s, and we used to sparr, and I got knocked around a little bit.

That's how I learned how to fight.

They probably call that "child abuse" in 2019, too. IDK, it's a slippery slope...but no one has ever kicked my ass but my dad, so...

As for Tyreek and Crystal, their relationship is beyond toxic, and there's no way he should stay with her, no matter what happens.

Of course, you can't tell people to stay away from each other without a restraining order.

Is it free?

If Dorsey picks him up, he’s a huge piece of shit too as far as I’m concerned. I get that it’s their job to win and everything, but you’ve gotta draw the ****ing line somewhere. This is strike 2 for Hill.

Finished your thought for you.

Exactly. They acted and suspended him. Now they ought to see where the legal system and the NFL take this before they come to any final decisions. If he is going to get suspended by the league, with a reinstatement option, the Chiefs should try to be in position where they can get something out of it, instead of just walking away and getting nothing.

Me too. It might be a sign that Clark learned from the KHunt deal.

How do you figure?

Maybe in the court of public opinion...

Just so you know, they don't care, there is no line, winning and losing is the line.

If that’s the case, then Hill won’t be left off of this team. But we know that he will.

"Monster".

Wow.

Judge people much?

C’mon man.... I hate it as much as anyone.

“You should be terrified of me too, bitch”....

Say that out loud 5 times. Now think about who said it. Now think about who he said it to.

Tyreek is just not a good human being. And that’s really ****ing sad.

To 99% of teams it doesn't matter, if they get some massive PR backlash then and only then do they make a move.

Hill is super hard to replace at a premium spot and after the Hunt fiasco I question if they will cut him because they got ****ed on that.

The league is full of guys that aren't good people....if that matters to you, you should turn the tv off.

If I was KC, I wouldn’t just let him go thinking that he’s going to wind up in another team in 2-3 months.

Hopefully, if he is guilty of all this like it would seem, that just ban him and be done with it.

They should just hold his rights and see how it plays out. That covers their ass in every way possible,

There’s a difference between being a good/bad person and abusing your helpless 3 year old son. To a severe degree.

That shit is despicable. Aqib Talib isn’t the greatest guy in the world, but not even he would ever consider doing something like that IMO.

Hill could have killed that little boy if he’s truly been punching him in the chest. And he’s lucky that he hasn’t to be perfectly honest.

people who choke pregnant women and beat up toddlers? yes.

his fiancee is a giant piece of shit too

Yeah but did he abuse the kid or did mama try to set him up?

Are you serious man.. :shake:

Throwing out all the obvious “if he did it he should rot in jail” thoughts, strictly from a fan standpoint, if we cut him and he just goes to another team, it’s gonna freakin’ suck! It’s really not fair because we come out of this as the only ones that gets punished. Just like Hunt, there was major media outrage and everyone calling for him to be cut. Well, we did it and then he signs with Cleveland, will serve an eight game suspension, and no one ever says a word about it again. I’m not saying Hill isn’t a huge piece of **** and shouldn’t be punished, but I want justice all the way around. Not just us releasing him, him serving a suspension, and then continuing an illustrious career with the Patriots. That’s what pisses me off.

If Hunt comes back and is a key part to the Browns going to the playoffs......all the ESPN stories will be about what a great man he is for turning his life around and coming home to make the Browns matter..

I'm not joking either.