Another issue you'd have is that while you are showing you'll pay guys, you aren't really paying your own guys.

It's kinda whats been the problem with Jones in regards to the Frank Clark deal.

Well maybe if they'd have played better as a defense we wouldnt be needing to trade for and sign Frank Clark and sign Mathieu...

In today’s NFL, Tyreek is more valuable than Ramsey.

Think about week 1. Oh hey cool you have Ramsey, but we’re going in an empty formation with 5 receivers, so Ramsey now becomes only 20% effective whereas Tyreek has many different points of value. Out wide, in the slot, out of the backfield and on ST’s.

You can change matchup’s to get Tyreek away from #1 corners.

EHHH I dunno about that.

If theoretically you have a CB that can shut down a side of the field like that, that's pretty damn hard to find. It changes the math.

It's a fun discussion though.

1 lock down corner isn't going to be able to take away half the field with us..and the speed we poses now. With all the different formations we run .. he will have to concentrate more on one man running by him. Lots of slant routs will be open. Kelce is going to have a monster year this year.

In the old NFL sure, but this isn’t the old NFL where there’s 2 outside WR’s and a slot receiver.

The spread has come to the NFL and teams are lining up with 4 and 5 receivers more than ever before. You realistically need to have a really good slot corner, at least 1 good safety and 1 good coverage backer to defend in this new league.

yeah, I remember a lot of OTA/Training camp superstars.

It also wouldn't hurt to have a CB who can line up and cover everywhere and be an elite guy at doing it.

Agreed. And the difference between Reek and the next guy is larger than the difference between Ramsey and the next guy IMO. Especially in Reids offense.

Tyreek roasted Ramsey.

I think I agree.

My think with Tyreek is just the off field stuff and what is he gonna want in a contract.

Yup

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Welp, you better put your trading brain on patna' cuz the only thing Dieter is fetching is one of those Costco shrink wrap, 10 pack of Pringle's potato chips.

And perhaps a hot dog at the food court!

Highest paid WR = 18/yr
Highest paid CB = 15/yr

I’m fascinated by the notion of people assuming Hardman is Reeks replacement. He is a perfect fit for what KC thought they were getting from Reek initially in round 5, when he was just a gadget weapon that could utilize 4.2 speed with end arounds, screens, occasional handoffs, and returns. Reek ended up being a complete surprise in terms of developing into a complete WR where he shocked everyone in terms of being able to become a legitamite WR1.

Hardman is going to be what we saw from Reeks first half of his rookie year. Occasional gadget plays and a return threat. He is not going to develop into a top 3 WR like Reek did and his expectations need to be treated as such.

Mahomes will advance Hardman's game much quicker and I think you will be surprised by the end of 3/4s of the season. This is what I am hoping for anyway.

The last time 5 guys moved as fast as the Chiefs WRs on a go route, Han Solo had just smacked a electrical panel with a pipe wrench.

Advanced to what level though? What is your realistic expectation of what Hardman becomes?

I agree with a lot of that except there is a chance he does become a legit WR...it's a crap shoot just like with Hill. It would be pretty crazy if he exceeds expectations...but there are so many fast WRs that never amount to anything. The odds are against it...

I'm actually more excited about Pringle taking Conley's role...he looked like he definitely has potential. That's the money spot...with Kelce, Watkins and Hill. If KC gets a legit 4th option...there is not much you can do.

Robinson will be much improved this year. Watch out. Dude gets open

Robinson ran a 4.6...the scheme is getting him open. That's what makes Hardman intriguing...4.3 speed as a 4th option. He's likely getting the weakest defender...or schematically unattended. I wonder if Pringle hadn't been injured...if he would have taken D-Robs reps.

Anyway...it's a good problem to have. I just remember watching Pringle and thinking...who is this dude? We'll see if it was just a preseason apparition....the ghost of Bobby Sipiro.

I'm going call him The Red Byron .

The scheme is not what's getting him open...

He ran a 4.59 40, yes, but he also blazed a 6.77 3 cone

He's incredibly agile and fluid in his routes

Our offense is going to be FREAKING SCARY GOOD this season.

And I think you were going for Chiefs legend/attempted murderer Bobby Sippio there.

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Bobby Shapiro?

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Holy shit, I knew Demarcus Robinson wasn't necessarily fast, but I thought he had average speed at least. That dude is slower than Dieter!

I mean, I guess he must be Mahomes' version of his changeup pitch...

Smith-Schuster ran a 4.54.

Davante Adams ran a 4.56.

Keenan Allen ran a 4.71.

You can still be a great WR running 4.59.

Robinson consistently gets separation, where Conley who's supposedly much faster always struggled.

Pretty sure there was some sort of injury or BS that had him time low. I recall reading that at the time but can't find it now.

Also, no the scheme is not getting him open. He's really ****ing good at getting a great release. Did you not watch him shaking DB's all of camp last season? Or did you not see his move to get open on Pat's 50th TD?

Robinson has some fantastic shake-n-bake on his release. That's why he gets open.

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Dude was doing DB's dirty in camp last season. He looked better than Watkins, shaking guys in 1v1's.

If you couldn't/didn't recognize that then you just weren't paying attention.

And his ability to make big plays has shown in his limited action. He should be able to walk into that #3 spot and produce as the 4th-5th receiving option.

Made the final roster, per Nate.

He caught a pass today. Congrats!

This guy is a ****ing bum. /JakeF

Holy shit. His catch today was highly impressive.

Starting to believe

Yeah, Pringle may have just earned himself a few more snaps at WR after that effort on his catch. Still can't believe he didn't fumble after that hit.

That's how Demarcus Robinson got started. Catch here, catch there. A catch in big time here... multiple catches in a game there...

He could be valuable depth for our WRs next year

With Mahomes don't need every receiver to be Ty Hill. We also need 3rd and 4th guys who can find the open spots, win 50/50 balls, and hold on to the ball. Like Stephone Paige.

Remember when Stephone Paige found the open spot and had over 300 yards?

That wasn't generally his normal game. He was our slot guy.

I’ll take our #4 WR over their #4-#5 cover guy all day!

It would've been nice to have Tyreek since the WR corps as whole shat the bed

I’m surprised Pringle didn’t fumble that ball near the end zone. Surprised he did t get tackled either. Good play by him

The entire team should be taking notes..."this is how you hang on to a football"


Was a great play and really won the game...

I think every Chief fan was in shock he hung onto the ball after all the earlier shitfest of fumblitis. :thumb:

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Pringle needs to get DRobbs snaps. DRobb can't seem to catch a cold this year.

Bryon Laystax is better than this turd. He made a block!

Pringle is my favorite non super start guy on the roster and its not even close.

It is crazy the highlight video you could put together through the first 2 weeks of just D Robb drops.

Demarcus Robinson vs. the Chargers.

4 targets, 3 catches, no drops.

Ha ha, I saw that during the game and made sure to point it out to my KSU fan wife. He's pretty football savvy.

{checks clip again}

Someone w/ the NFL stats department's gonna need a dictionary. I'm not real sure what the hell else you'd call that.

Most places have him with 6 drops on the season and he had 3 in the first game. :shrug:

It's pretty cool that he gets to go from being a super long shot to make the team to the guy whose block sprang Williams to ice to SuperBowl.

No matter what happens from here on out - he'll always have that story to delight the grandkids.

(Although Williams should have gone down, but he can leave that off the story.)

Tyreek makes that catch. Hardman probably does too.

Tyreek had two drops against the Chargers IIRC. They all drop passes on occasion. Watkins actually drops more than his fair share.

I'm in no way a kstate homer, im from oklahoma, i just love the way he plays.

Some guys struggle with velocity more than others.

It seems like Robinson may be one of them. That 2-point conversion catch that Hardman made, I don't see any way Robinson brings it in.

I mean if you figure that there are 'kinds' of drops, how would you break 'em up? I'd say technique is one (letting the ball get into your body), focus is one and maybe just flat out velocity is one.

I think Watkins is guilty of focus drops. His technique is typically excellent and he doesn't seem to struggle with heaters. Hill's drops are usually technique where he'll let the ball get into him. With someone like Dropmetrius Harris, you got both - but he didn't seem any less likely to catch it at 100 mph than he did a lob shot.

Robinson, OTOH, seems to have good focus (explains his report on schoolyard plays with Mahomes) and his technique doesn't appear to be causing these. But when he gets a real heater, it seems to just go bouncing off sometimes. I wonder if he has smaller hands or if they're not as 'soft' in letting the fingertips cradle around them (which I guess would still be technique related...)

I dunno - but he's dropping some damn nice throws from Mahomes and it really goes back to about week 10 of last year. If he's got the yips, he needs to get over 'em or see more time on the pine.

Yep. Fair analysis.

6 drops already for DRobb? He needs to find his way to the bench next to Hitchens.

4 drops.

Kinds of Drops

High Complexity Drop: Ball is away from the body, Player is diving, angle/arc of ball is different, etc...

Body-Catch Drop: Passes through the hands and bounces off the chest, Player uses chest like a backboard and waits for the rebound, etc..

Thinking Ahead Drop: Player takes eyes off the ball and begins to run before it's secured, Player is afraid of being hit or "hears footsteps,"

High-Velocity Drop: Ball is coming in hot and player's hands aren't strong enough to secure

Double-Clutch Drop: Player unnecessarily catches the ball twice and slips out of his hands



D-Rob often double-clutches, struggles with velocity at times, and will struggle with high-complexity passes at times. Every now and again he'll body-catch. It's a shame, because he is great at finding soft spots for Patrick to throw to.

Tyreek's rare drops are often high-complexity, body and sometimes thinking ahead.

Kelce's rare drops are thinking ahead.

Sammy's drops are thinking ahead or double clutch.

I actually thought that was Hardman when I was watching live.

That's a veteran move by Pringle. It would have been all too easy for him to get grabby and end up setting us back another 10 yards, but he did just enough to give Pat a chance to make a play.

Robinson is, once again, the most disappointing skill position player on the Chiefs roster.

If blocking and size are important to Reid in this offense, I'd just as soon see them give more snaps to Marcus Kemp because maybe he'll be able to make catches that Robinson consistently drops.

Once you pop...

those fundamental's tho!

Send Keizer home

Pringle is gonna be salty if he doesn't get special teams player of the week.

Nice to see him step up tonight. Both him and Robinson played well.

Byron all he does is make good plays.

Why doesnt he get more targets? I feel like he always steps up when given the chance.

He has a little Sammy Watkins to him. Literally every time he gets the ball good things happen. Might be the first time I will ever agree with Deberg.

Had a clutch grab, and two solid returns... he had a nice day, keep working on it

Pringle takes hits and holds on to the ball.

He is good!

His KR's were great today. Made some nice catches too.