But it was Espinal who weaponized a son against his father. Imagine what might have been published if the reverse had been true

Period after true please.

Edits made. Refresh and re-read.

You’re right about the screenshot, but I’ve never figured out how to post images from my phone other than as an attachment, and those are annoying.

Last 2:

More interested in defending TV Stations other journalists are categorizing as unethical.

Stations should be lowercase.

If you don’t trust a paper, when they publish anonymous, baseless character assassinations rather than provide a balance, when they attack their readers, when they are incompetent enough in the digital realm to make paywalls flimsier than the border at the American southwest, changes are necessary.

That is one long sentence, but I’ll allow it with a couple modifications. I’d get rid of the first comma after paper, and I’d get rid of the comma after readers and say “when they themselves aren’t competent enough...”. It makes it more clear what your clauses are.

Note to Clay: I'm a terrible editor and rarely read for grammar/punctuation unless it jumps out at me. Worse still, nobody really writes like I do so I have a tendency to criticize for stylistic changes rather than substantive ones. I welcome anyone to ignore all of those - my voice is mine, your voice is yours.

So take any of my PM suggestions with a grain of salt. Otherwise, good work - hope you get plenty of eyes on it because there's a lot there that needs to be said outside of this forum.

Actually, a proper rewrite of that clause would be “when they themselves aren’t competent enough... to make paywalls less flimsy than...”

Sounds to me like the Star wants to suck up to the national liberal media, which is their prerogative (wow, I always thought that was spelled perogative -- ****in' hick).

I would cancel my subscription, but I did that in the 1980s. I can delete Red Zone Extra app and just rely on The Athletic for my Chiefs news. That'll work.

those are separate clauses though

we don't trust them

they publish bullshit

they attack us

they lack digital sense

I could accept leaving the last two separate, I just don’t like that many commas in a sentence. The first comma needs to go though.

but those clauses aren't related...

actually i need to say "if" not "when" in all those

got it

Is Marty dropping some D tonight on these ****sticks?

It will be Sunday like usual.

The star has never had this problem with politicizing social stuff on the Chiefs. That's a new thing. Seems more of a combo of a bad writer, an editorial board too stubborn to admit they're wrong, and a lack of good enough writers to balance the bad with good solid journalism. Seems like the main problem is they went all in backing the wrong horse.

How hard is it for the Star to do this? This could have been quick and painless.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I rarely do this, but feel it&#39;s important to share this from my <a href="https://twitter.com/TheAthleticKC?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TheAthleticKC</a> chat today. Forgive me for the few typos, as I write pretty fast during the hour to answer every question.<br><br>We as reporters &amp; media personalities in Kansas City must be better. <a href="https://t.co/MfKXGc8Brx">pic.twitter.com/MfKXGc8Brx</a></p>&mdash; Nate Taylor (@ByNateTaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/ByNateTaylor/status/1149716221950070784?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 12, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I would still be careful there. The structure of the sentence is:

If you don’t trust a paper when they A, B, or C, then changes are necessary.

I added the “then” to make it a more proper if/then. Looking at it in that structure, you see why you don’t need the first comma. In my previous edit, I combined B and C into a new clause essentially saying “they attack us yet can’t even get their own shit straight”. It’s stylistic for sure. I hate a lot of commas.

going live

JFC I’m just now seeing this.

This is honestly the most infuriating shit I’ve ever experienced as a fan. It should be really ****ing simple. If the DA doesn’t have enough evidence to even charge the man, the local paper should be able to acknowledge that they have no idea what really happened and they ****ed up trusting their sources and an edited audio clip. Why do they continue to pretend that they have some inside information that we and the DA don’t have?

If ever a username was apt... :clap:

On a different note: You and Tyreek share a disdain for commas. At least according to one media darling. :)

Because they don’t break big news and they are trying to get anything possible to get clicks.

It’s sad

we live

If The Star breaks your trust, Kansas City must break with The Star.


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Mellinger

innocent

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Don't. ****ing. Care.

Giving him a click is giving his corporate overlords a click.

He should be as dead to you as the rest of 'em are.

WE GOT JUICE.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Dear <a href="https://twitter.com/Ted_Crews?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Ted_Crews</a>, I respectfully request that you bar any current <a href="https://twitter.com/KCStar?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@KCStar</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/KCTV5?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@KCTV5</a> reporter from any and all access to players or personnel until such time as they provide a full and clear apology OR fire the journalists that have been so biased in their coverage of <a href="https://twitter.com/cheetah?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@cheetah</a></p>&mdash; Hotchy #AZChiefsKingdom (@hotchman) <a href="https://twitter.com/hotchman/status/1149794379084656640?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 12, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Jesus, clay, that’s middle school shit.

I fixed it already

relax

at least i edit my work

Also, vahe should burn.

:D just giving you a har’d time.

When The Star sends its people, they're not sending their best.

They're sending people that have a lot of problems, and they're bringing those problems with them. They're bringing agenda. They're bringing bias. They're SJWs.

And some, I assume, are good people.

All of 'em should. The whole Star should be cut off at the knees, as should TV5.

The ONLY reason you'd give any of them any access is to make your point even more firmly. You could argue that giving Mellinger and Welniak access after they handled this aftermath better than anyone else in their organizations does more to establish why they got that access than anything.

It's similar to giving a waiter a .01 tip if you're super pissed off. Flat out stiffing someone can be an oversight or a mistake; something that could lead them curious as to the motives. But actively giving them .01 leaves no questions - you're actively telling that person to get ****ed. (Eds note: I was a waiter in HS, I have never done this but a co-worker had it done to her and I knew exactly why).

If you cut off the star, the message is pretty clear. But if you cut off everyone in the sports department except for the one guy that at least made a little effort at walking things back, the message is crystal clear.

But as consumers I still think we tell every last one of them to **** themselves.

If a single one of these people come into my mentions offering rebuttals they're all getting blocked

how funny is it that between 10-15% of the posters here were refugees from the KC Star board & that now, a lot are telling them to GF themselves? That should tell that institution what the people think of their outfit.

ROFLROFLROFLROFL

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I don't ever read the star so Im already boycotting without doing anything, but you don't see the irony in posting their article and link in the OP and then complaining about giving them links?

That's been the most ironic thing about this. If people stopped linking their tweets and articles, they'd be less inclined to write stupid shit and they'd see their already down numbers go even lower. This whole thing has probably raised their numbers and given them even more reason to come out with articles such as the ones in the OP.

The star is already dying. Everytime an article is linked here or a tweet is linked or Everytime people respond to them, they get a little bit more life.

It's like the people who complain about SAUTO in the Tyreek threads yet always bring him up even when he's not online. You're just playing into their hands.

The Star board censored my post asking about approval of cannibalism in an emergency. It was a legitimate question.

That's why I posted the whole article - because most people won't bother with the link. As I noted previously, I NEVER post entire articles as I believe authors deserve their clicks by and large. I definitely never post paid content for that same reason.

As for posting the link at all - Kyle asked us years ago that if we post an entire article, to post the link as well. He was concerned that there would be issues with publishers if we didn't. It was unlikely to amount to anything but it's a headache the board doesn't need.

But/for the request of the board administrators/owners, I wouldn't have done that at all. But I'd venture to guess that the link drove very little traffic. And in posting the article here, we've generated enough discussion/frustration to lead to a pretty spectacular ratio on that tweet and perhaps it also further encourage Clay into creating his piece.

And in so doing, more and more people will walk away from the Star entirely.

I think the perfect balance was struck.

This isn't about clicks to the Star. The Star is outraged that we question the narrative they've fed us. Attacking the media, pointing out how TERRIBLE they are, is a tremendous public service. Clicks ain't gonna save the Star and pushing back against this crap WILL cause The Star to lose subscribers and will cause their writers mental anguish.

Note to self: no camping trips with Rain Man ...

Use this link. https://outline.com/CXB3n4

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Just bring a lot of food and we won't have any issues.

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I still can't BELIEVE they tried to exonerate KCTV5.

These media ****s in this town are goddamn thick as thieves. If you try to come after one of them, the rest of them act like the goddamn mafia.

Well I got news for you mother****ers. There's only one mob in this town, and the boss wears a BIG ****ING RED HELMET!!!!!!!!!!!

So what’s going on with this? A separate discussion somewhere?

What about the people that leave what looks like a $20, but it has bible verses on the other side? Had a gf in college that got one of those beauties.

The Star editorial board appears to be a convenient excuse for hardcore libs who usually write about social issues to wail away on Tyreek Hill to satisfy their perverted sense of justice.

It wouldn't surprise me if a single one of the sports staff has a damn thing to do with any of those editorials.

That doesn't exonerate the sports staff, but it does make you feel a tiny bit sorry for them.

There are some real assholes in power at the Star.

Do you have a bone through your nose?

that line about KCTV5 "not immediately" releasing the full tape is a load of horseshit, too

they were NEVER going to release it

I assume that they're headed to straight to hell, so that's already taken care of.

Right now? No, I'm at work.

Good professional decision. While some might accuse me of racism or cultural bias, I would very much question the ability of a marketing consultant to relate to mainstream American consumers if they were wearing a bone through their nose during our meeting.

I'm sorry but if you work for a company that does something you don't stand for you have a choice to make a stand. If you don't then you are condoning their stance.

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I work for Fox.

Should I walk out?

If you feel you need to.

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look at KCTV and the Star defending each other LMAO

https://i.imgur.com/Bv82UXM.png

What a douche

Here's something YOU might find interesting, Patrick.

*finger*

“I suspect that you would not appreciate me calling your employer demanding that you be fired.”

Yeah... well we aren’t the ones who almost ruined a guy’s ****ing reputation, career, and long term well-being with complete and total ignorance & negligence.

If I do anything like they have in my line of work, I’m a G-O-N-E-R. No questions asked.

:rolleyes:

Everybody would be unemployed.....

lol I'm convinced somebody voted down my post because they didn't know which Patrick I was talking about. Who would side with that guy?

Who registered in the last ten minutes?

Yeah, that's a really weird response. These people just don't get it. From top to bottom, they simply don't get it. That organization is in deep trouble, whether this incident is the death knell or not.

Talk about tone deaf.

"I suspect that you would not appreciate me calling your employer demanding that you be fired".

Maybe he now knows how Tyreek must feel when the KC Star and other fake news outlets have been calling for Tyreek's employer (the Chiefs/NFL) to fire him.

ROFL

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rofl

He says that when that's exactly what they've been doing. Only difference is they manufactured their evidence.

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This is what a Fake News Whore House looks like...

https://www.kansascity.com/latest-ne...ard%202019.jpg

i like their token black guy LMAO

Oh look who is in KU's Emily Taylor Center for Women & Gender Equity Hall of Fame...

https://emilytaylorcenter.ku.edu/mccain-nelson-colleen

Colleen McCain Nelson
Year Inducted: 2017

Highlights:
- Vice President/ Editorial Page Editor, Kansas City Star
- Pulitzer Prize for editorial writing
- Chronicled three presidential campaigns
- 2016: crossed the country with Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders
- White House reporter for The Wall Street Journal, President Obama administration

And if there is any question about what this entity stands for, see their mission statement:

https://emilytaylorcenter.ku.edu/about

Rock Chalk... the KC Star Editorial Page Editor is a radical feminazi who hates all types of cock.

intersectional trans-inclusive feminism

LMAO

Without reading the whole thread, It could very well be The KC Tyreek Hill Kansas City Star

Brah

HE DOESN'T WANT TO OWN THE LIBS!!!!

HE JUST WANTS TO PLAY VIDYA GAMES AND SCORE TDS!!!!

LEAVE REEK ALONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Did your caps lock stick?

Wants confidentiality for his employees. Wants to air a recording of Tyreek's personal family issues/discussions that he didn't know were being taped.

I was thinking more about their version of the audio, "you didn't ride for me in 2014 and you aren't riding for me now" makes a huge difference after they took it out of context.

Hearing that the first time I interpreted it as you didn't cover for me then an you aren't now.

With the additional context I hear you lied on me then and your lying on me now.

That's a huge difference. I don't really do video stuff anymore but I wonder if the audio from the KCTV5 "interview" can be cut up to sound bad.

It appears that KC Star and KCTV5 is trying to conduct an character assassination.

As always we need to burn it all down so it can be built properly

Who are the KCSTAR & KCTV's advertising partners that's the second volley that should be cast.

they've been doing that since May 3

https://www.kansascity.com/opinion/e...229991249.html

Wow, that's ****ing as classless as it gets. **** KCTV5

Mike Gundy was right after all those years. That's why he doesn't read the newspaper because it's garbage.

Took me a second myself but I up voted to offset it because this is CP reddit or something.

Oh I decided. Yes, I have made a decision.

The best part...is they haven't, yet, realized their careers in KC are over. The city is too small for something this ****ed up. I'm enjoying watching them squirm...slowly coming to the realization.

What can Fat Brooke really contribute if she's not writing DV hit-pieces? She's terrible at covering actual football related stories...and she sure as shit isn't going to attempt to write another controversial one.

KCTV5 is screwed...they are getting sued to the stone age and know it.