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But the OL re-anchored and held him with no real risk to the QB. Minshew dropped back on the hash and never had to even consider vacating it (not from his blind side anyway). That's a clear win by the OT. And I know that Clark's more of a 'set up' rusher in that he'll use that bull rush to get guys to behave a certain way and set them up for a hump or a rip move later. But even still, Clark quit on that rep once he got stopped. The bull-rush is a part of every down lineman's arsenal but once it's stopped, it's time to try something else to keep advancing. Clark didn't - that's the 'counter move' thing you want to see from developing pass-rushers and Clark doesn't even attempt one there. |
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So I guess next week Spag will unveil some exotic defensive looks? Sorry, the only exotic looks we've seen from a Chiefs D in recent years is a multi-millionaire player made-up to look like a hobo. |
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This is a BAD OT he's going against - he doesn't need to toss Walter Jones out of the way here. He hits the guy and rocks him; feel that and make your next move. Instead he goes full Bailey and the guy just re-anchors. It was completely ineffective. |
Regarding that play though can we give Daly some props? That's beautiful work by a former first round bust on that play.
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But your points stands - great set of moves by Ogbah there. Getting free was nice enough but then the little dip/rip to keep the OL from getting his hands on him as he's trying to get the corner was awfully nice. Yeah, that was a hell of a play and if that's something Ogbah wasn't showing, it definitely deserves some praise for Daley. |
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If he'd have kept his head up, he'd have known that there's no reason to be looking for a deflection there and that he might actually have a play to the inside. Just looks like a half-plan executed poorly to me. By the end he's just getting ridden out of the play because he's compounding problems. |
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Jaguars?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Jaguars</a> WR Marqise Lee was not targeted Sunday, but he did a good job blocking here to set up QB Gardner Minshew's 69-yard pass to WR DJ Chark. Very valuable having Lee back even in a limited role. <a href="https://t.co/7NBOPJBhcg">pic.twitter.com/7NBOPJBhcg</a></p>— Phillip Heilman (@phillip_heilman) <a href="https://twitter.com/phillip_heilman/status/1171080237876228096?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 9, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> |
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Is that an RPO? Or just a really cleverly designed PA pass? Because the entire OL down-blocks so you can see Fuller and Hitchens both kinda take themselves out of the play. Fuller gets stuck in the wash and Hitchens is just too slow to react to the play-fake and get upfield to disrupt the rhythm. Clark seems to first be going 'with' the run, squeezing to his left and treating it like a run play to close up the gap and potentially maintain a new edge. If that's a run play and he tries to freelance it (jump outside and get after the passer, for instance), he could create a massive cutback lane so credit to him for really engaging his guy first. Then he diagnosis the play action and by then it's too late. I won't put that play on Clark. That's mostly on Ward for getting beat by a single move and then just being outrun to the spot. Clark did what he needed to do given that the OL was showing run. Be it an RPO or good play-action design, the down-blocking from the OL fooled most everyone there. Ward needed to do his job there and Minshew probably checks down to the guy squeezing out to his left there for maybe 6-8 yards. In either event, that was a well designed play and I think there were yards there whatever the case ended up being. You just sure would like to see that not be 60+ in that spot. EDIT: Yeah, I dunno - I really think that's an RPO given that Lee came across the formation and his first step was to block. I'll remain open to being educated there. Fournette seemed to give up on the mesh pretty quickly for an RPO but it's possible he was just making the same read as Minshew and knew what was going to happen so he was trying to get out in the pattern. Dunno really but I don't think Clark did anything wrong there. |
Yeah, that's where Ward has to just make a play and do something other than that. Make him check it down.
I'm atleast encouraged because it seemed, to me atleast, that it was a lot of breakdowns caused by communications and such. That can be fixed (in theory). |
Defense is so reactive and looking around at the best defenses, they've been together for quite a while. Cohesion matters.
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I spent the first 6-8 weeks of last season saying "don't worry guys, these are communication problems and not talent problems, they'll work themselves out..." I won't whistle past that graveyard ever again. Call me irrational or premature, but I banked on that shit just working itself out last year and it just never did. |
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I hope and it seems like there is now. They're all talking about it and they seem to have the guys in place to do it atleast. |
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I'm pretty sure Clark reads my posts and is gonna say "shit, y'know what? Nut is right and I really should've done a club/rip to free myself. That guy knows his stuff and I'm gonna do that next time. Accountability matters - thank you, DJLN..." I'm always thinkin' ahead, O.City. Always thinkin' ahead... |
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Digging a little deeper, the linebacker stats seem better than I originally thought (again, I still haven't seen the All-22). Lee had something like 8 or 10 snaps (depending on which source you use ... some places have us playing 58 defensive snaps others have us at 51 ... probably due to eliminating penalty snaps ... and I didn't take the time to count them myself). Either way, Hitch is listed as the only linebacker to play 100% of the snaps. Wilson had about 80%. As for the way they used the linebackers in the scheme, it wasn't a base 4-3 from the get-go. They mixed it up a bit. It appeared that they entered the game in a "nickle" (or something similar) with 3 corners, 2 safeties, 2 linebackers, and 4 down linemen. FAX |
When even the Jags are forcing you to play mostly 2 LB sets, you know the league as we grew up with it is very different.
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Overall it was a C- performance at best but they still did come up big at a critical juncture of the game and it was never really in doubt. |
Not gonna flip through all these posts right now but if it hasn’t been said, I’ll add that the defense seemed extremely vanilla yesterday.
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I've been bitching about the lack of back 7 talent for what seems like 3 years now. They're mostly made up of training camp cuts and guys other teams didn't want to pay. KC has had one first round pick in 4 years, and spent it all on offense (and, you know... what an awesome Pick. Super A+ for that one first rounder.). KC's last 4 years of defensive back 7 draft picks: Thornhill (cross your fingers), Rashad Fenton, Dorian Odaniel, Armani Watts, Tremon Smith, Keivarie russell, Ukeme Eligwe, Eric Murray, and DJ White. Jesus. We need someone in our scouting department that can spot this talent, because we clearly don't have one. |
Thornhill and Damien Wilson making plays. Don't listen to that negative nancy Direckshun.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Damien Wilson played the majority of the nickel snaps and showcased a high motor. Blitz from slot & the A gap forces the QB to go to his hot route in the flat. Wilson not only does well to track the RB and stop him short on third and 2, he punches the ball out for a big turnover. <a href="https://t.co/TrckVpigjs">pic.twitter.com/TrckVpigjs</a></p>— Craig Stout (@barleyhop) <a href="https://twitter.com/barleyhop/status/1171396901616476160?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 10, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> |
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">First Okafor great job assisting on the WR coming across to slow down before pressuring QB on boot. Ward a little late in deciphering his coverage. Now watch Thornhill opposite side and just chases the play down. Full display of his athletic ability. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/JacobsEyeInTheSky?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#JacobsEyeInTheSky</a> <a href="https://t.co/Pq2ODW1xS2">pic.twitter.com/Pq2ODW1xS2</a></p>— Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jacobs71/status/1171445086959235073?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 10, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
One positive with the defense I thought was the tackling. They always seemed to have multiple guys flying towards the ball. Thornhill can run too. |
So basically what I got from everything I've seen is.....Frank Clark needs to be a superstar and Ward is a pile of shit that killed us.
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Interesting note: the 2007 SB Giants amazing defense under Spags gave up 80 combined points in the first 2 weeks of that season.
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I thought they tackled well. I thought they flowed to the ball well. The LB's actually hit the gaps, which was nice.
Breeland was invisible out there, which is a good thing. Sadly, HBD was also invisible out there which is a bad thing. And Frank Clark was disappointing. Dude was going up against a 3rd string LT and got very little pressure. We made what could be a career day for a backup QB that no one has ever heard of before. But, some of it is a bit-misleading. The bulk of his work were throws into the flats and screens. The pass rush was poor, which was my biggest worry about this D. |
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And while Ward's coverage did in fact suck, he too, like the rest of the D, did pretty well in the tackling department. There were some plays early on around the LoS where i was like, "Who's that? Oh shit that's Ward, nice tackle" |
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Lonzo Ball can't be a premier PG in this league because for as good as his court vision is, he can't shoot. If you can't shoot, teams will back off you and close up your passing lanes. A premier PG, even if he's not an amazing shooter in his own right, has to be a credible threat to force other teams to respect him. That makes the job easier for everyone else on the court. Even on days that Clark isn't racking up sacks, he's gotta be a credible threat. He has to be occupying double teams and making the job easier elsewhere. And at times Jones will be doing that as well. Even when Clark isn't the one getting the sacks, the pass rush will still go 'through' him when its at its best. Teams will be forced to reckon with him, provide more help out wide and give Jones some space to work. He simply has to draw more attention than he did Sunday. |
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Maybe just a spare consonant in there. |
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Really hope that was Jones’ gap. Good job by Wilson, Hitchens and Thornhill in run support. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/JacobsEyeInTheSky?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#JacobsEyeInTheSky</a> <a href="https://t.co/Jh1o46laB8">pic.twitter.com/Jh1o46laB8</a></p>— Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jacobs71/status/1171458302883979270?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 10, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Man, the more I read and look into that, I just don't see Jones being here long term. I get all the splash plays and such, but take that play right there for instance. He's talented enough to jump a gap and make a TFL, but if he whiffs it and there isn't a gang behind him, it goes for yardage. You just don't see the best defenses do that shit. |
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I mean you have Williams in a 0 technique (sorta; would you call that a 1 shade?) and Ogbah pretty clearly manning the C gap. It has to be wishful thinking for Jacobs to sit there and say "yeah, Ogbah at the C, Williams drawing a double in the As...I'm sure it was Jones responsibility to just abandon the B gap in favor of crashing inside. His athleticism is obscene - even on that play you see him doing shit that other guys just cannot do. But I don't know how many times you can watch the guy freelance like that and just ignore it. He's so clearly doing his own thing out there at times that it makes team defense awfully difficult. And lemme tell ya - if he keeps getting doubled as often as he was getting doubled on Sunday, that's only going to get worse. He'll see every chance he has to split a gap as a breath of fresh air and he'll take it. |
Surprinsigly enough, the Chiefs defense is ranked #22 for toal yards allowed and #16 in PPG.
Sure they played a below-average offense with a backup QB but that backup QB played really well regardless of the defense and also, the defense was playing away. Still hoping for major improvements moving forward but looking at those stats, it doesn't look too bad, granted it doesn't mean much after one game. |
After perusing the All-22 (just a scan of certain plays; not an actual analysis, by any means), I can report that Ward doesn't seem to understand how to play Spaggyboots' zone defense properly.
Either he doesn't understand the call or he doesn't know how, if, or when to release his man into another zone and what to do if he does. Who knows if that's "fixable" ... but it was a real and repeated problem in that game. I felt bad for the guy. But the Yaguars sure as hell didn't. FAX |
Run D. Much better.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">AWESOME run defense here! They have every gap covered. Controlling the LOS. Rewatch each player. This is how it is suppose to be! Frank Clark forces the hold otherwise it’s a 5 yard loss instead 10-yard penalty. Thornhill is so quick! Fuller holds the edge. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/JacobsEyeInTheSky?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#JacobsEyeInTheSky</a> <a href="https://t.co/WQ9bqjQbQI">pic.twitter.com/WQ9bqjQbQI</a></p>— Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jacobs71/status/1171491828962492420?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 10, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> |
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What the **** is Jones doing?
He needs an ass chewing. |
Seems like when our guys actually do get to the QB, the QB takes a baby step to the side and our guys go flying right by. Get the SOB!
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He should never have abandoned his gap. It created a huge hole. |
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Same run play as Thornhill. Frank Clark still penetrates and splits the double and causes the hold otherwise he owns the edge on a double team. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/JacobsEyeInTheSky?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#JacobsEyeInTheSky</a> <a href="https://t.co/UZMjcolckj">pic.twitter.com/UZMjcolckj</a></p>— Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jacobs71/status/1171503509855821824?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 10, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Just the damn effort is so much improved from last year. |
Dee Ford could NEVER do that.
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And look at Wilson flying in there. Did we actually get a really good player there? |
Absolutely awesome. Nnadi is a tank. Darron Lee shed Norwell's block.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Wilson and Clark notify Fournette that they edge is closed until further notice. Nnadi and Lee greet Fournette on the cutback. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/JacobsEyeInTheSky?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#JacobsEyeInTheSky</a> <a href="https://t.co/zCGb38lrac">pic.twitter.com/zCGb38lrac</a></p>— Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jacobs71/status/1171504970404790273?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 10, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> |
Yeah and Jones isn't really built or suited to anchor and take on double teams.
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1) No, Ford doesn't occupy that double team. 2) When #80 peels off, Hitchens is coming hard down the hill and immediately locks him up. He doesn't get walled off and leave Fournette with an easy lane and a lead blocker. Hitchens of last year likely doesn't completely swallow up that TE and keep him from clearing a lane 3) The critical player here - ****ing Wilson is shot out of a cannon in pursuit. Him getting across the formation like that and making that tackle kept that from being a 6-8 yard play before Hitchens and Thornhill finished the play. Last year Ford gets pushed back and the the LT/TE are probably able to get into Hitchens significantly earlier, allowing the TE to peel upfield. Ragland doesn't get through the wash and so you end up with Fournette and the TE in the open field vs. Lucas. Lucas was always a game run defender but I don't think he gets the tackle there. At best he re-direct Fournette to the middle. A 3-4 yard gain on that run is probably in the 15+ range on last year's defense and it took strong efforts from Clark/Hitchens (and a damn nice play from Wilson) to blow that up. Hell of a nice demonstration of team D there. |
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He's a football nerds dream. If you're not watching him, you'll never know he's there. But man, if you just watch him for a handful of snaps you get a masterclass in run technique and you see just how critical being assignment sound and aware of your limitations is. If I were to get a present Chiefs jersey, I really think it would be a Nnadi jersey. That guy is a lunchpail player and just seems to do everything right. |
I'm more encouraged after all these clips about the D.
The effort is atleast there this year. |
Another dude we're gonna have to pay - but maybe not as much since he won't be a 10 sack dude.
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Jones has taken on his share of double-teams in his career ... BTW, Nnaughti has a great base, but his upper body strength might be his most impressive attribute. Once he gets his hands on you, all you can do is wait to find out if you wind up flying left or right. FAX |
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There's not a huge difference between someone like Brown and someone like, say, Linval Joseph. But Joseph got paid a LOT more. And if you wait until Nnadi fully develops, he'll get paid closer to what Joseph is making (or Brandon Williams). I think you want to get that deal done as soon as you can get him to agree to that Brown/Hankins $5 million/yr AAV level deal. |
Spags and his staff saw big value in Alex Okafor, Damien Wilson, Alex Okafor, Emmanuel Ogbaha and hopefully Darron Lee. So far that appears to be paying off.
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Watch his head - you see him trying to peak around and find the ballcarrier. He's really damn good at it. I don't know how one has an innate 'vision' for something like that but Nnadi has it. That plays an excellent demonstration of it because you can see him looking past the C and trying to wait for the RB to commit to a lane. As soon as Fournette commits, Nnadi just whips the C out of the way and is waiting for him. Like I said, I really enjoy watching him play. |
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Jones would theoretically be able to shed that single blocker and make plays. |
The thing with defending the run is you have to consistently do it as a unit. You can't be guessing and jumping gaps cause you leave guys out to dry.
That's what they did last year. We saw how that worked out. |
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Thornhill strikes again on this jet sweep. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/JacobsEyeInTheSky?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#JacobsEyeInTheSky</a> <a href="https://t.co/u0Xaw3jqj9">pic.twitter.com/u0Xaw3jqj9</a></p>— Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jacobs71/status/1171515247623954434?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 10, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Thornhill was flying Sunday. He's gonna be a good one. |
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Damn he was frustrating to watch. |
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