Thank god we have Mahomes..

That's a given the media trolls players for such a response. Skip Bayless 101

No but like, even moreso. Tony Grossi is the most hated reporter in Cleveland

Baker Man cooking up some discontent.

As I've said before, he reminds me of the fratboy at the kegger you want to slap in the face before you steal his girlfriend ... whatever those guys are called these days.

It's a tough question though, "Did you feel a little stupid when you screwed up the game in such a disgustingly embarrassing fashion?" I mean, there's no real great response other than, "Yes. Yes, I did."

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Just another example that these teams see what they want to see when evaluating the character of players. Mayfield was a petulant douche in college, and amazingly he acts like a petulant douche in the pros.

Similarly, when the Bucs were considering Winston, they did not speak to his accuser or any of her acquaintances because they'd already made up their mind.

Ryan Leaf 2.0.

That's a bridge too far, IMO. Leaf was a total disaster from Day 1. Mayfield can at least play the position with a degree of competence even if he's usually just mediocre, and his blowups with the media have been pretty tame in comparison to getting snatched away from an assault and battery charge by Junior Seau. Leaf was begging out of practice with a wrist injury to go play golf. The closest analogue to him is Jamarcus Russell, who was once given a DVD of film to review by the Raiders staff and reported back that he learned a lot.

The DVD was blank.

Ha, i remember reading about that back then. I think Mayfield's an overrated douche, but I dont think hes entered Jamarcus Russell territory yet. Give him another year or so though and he may get there. Of course Mayfield wont have the overweight and purple drank problems Russell had, but once the reality really sinks in that he sucks, the Cleveland Browns suck, well see what hes made of.

Yup and he has the nerve to run his mouth and talk shit.

Baker future XFL star

Who gives a shit about any of this? Baker's douchiness isn't affecting the team's chances of winning games.

Aside from the $$ he makes from those commercials you have to wonder how he really feels watching himself day after day knowing so far he has been a big poser QB in the NFL.

Umm you don’t think Baker’s issues affect him which affect his play and the team?

If McMahon lets the players run their mouths like his wrestlers, he'll be a super star in that league.

Not in any quantifiable way.

He's the same dude this year, being one of the worst starting QBs in the league, as he was last year when he said the rookie TD record.

Leaf did start his career 2-0. Then he said playing in Arrowhead was just like any other place. Then he threw more interceptions than completions.

Last year, he/they overachieved. This year there were big expectations and that’s why people like myself could see this all coming.

It doesn’t have to be “quantifiable” to see that it’s affected him and the team.

The league had 1/2 season of film to figure him out. That's plenty of tape. What's new? He is not comfortable in the pocket and does not trust himself to step up and gets nervous feet(creating inaccurate throws) on top of not being able to decipher defenses quick enough.

Here is a :toast: to Mahomes !!

Get him in my foxhole now!!!!!

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I still like Baker Mayfield and wish the best for him.

I'm glad the hype machine has disappeared. But he's not even close to Ryan leaf territory yet. He still has talent. He'll never be the qb he was hyped to be but he can become a system qb. He still has good escapability in the pocket and a good arm throwing on the run. Some coach will make something of that. Kitchens is a complete joke

If it's affecting them now why didn't it affect them last season when he was the same guy?

I literally just explained that it in the post you quoted.

His personality isn’t going to be a problem when things are “good”. Not that the Browns were good last year, but the environment/noise was. When there are expectations and you lay a huge pile of shit, it’s a problem.

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And Nate Burleson picked the Browns to go to the SB....

What a fkn idiot.....

You won't see Matt Moore do this in KC. He's all class.

I'll bet he drinks craft beer and white claw.

I get the Budweiser bottle guy feel.

I can picture him throwing a bottle at his wall when mad at his gf.

Lol what?

You didn't explain anything. You sucked your own cock because you predicted the Browns wouldn't live up to the hype this year.

Doubtful that Baker would ever think himself as a poser. He is a legend in his own mind..

Nothing more needs to be said. I’m “sucking my own cock” about calling Baker’s personality an issue that would arise the second there were unmet expectations. That’s exactly what’s happening.

None of what you've said explains how Baker being a douche affects their ability to win games.

He was a douche in college and became the #1 overall pick. He was a douche in his rookie season in which he set the rookie NFL TD record.. What's changed?

Hunt is going make Baker Mayfield look good

Chubb is the better back.

Keep up. The White Claw crowd has already flaked to Natty Seltzer.

Hunt is not that great of a back. If you take out the first 4-6 games of his rookie season he is very average.

Oh ok


Hunt led the NFL in rushing as a rookie with 1,327 yards ...


But based on his first 4-6 games he is just average. That's pretty funny LMAO

Punditry is beginning to change their tune after this episode. It appears that the glaze is coming off the donut ... or the icing is sliding off the cake ... or the raisins are popping off the loaf ... or whatever the terminology is.

The point is that, suddenly, what Baker is baking isn't all that appetizing. I'm fully expecting the other Browns players to start making anonymous statements that aren't particularly favorable. After all, a 1:2 TD to INT ratio is league worst.

When the schtick stops schticking, it can fall apart quickly. And if the Chute Pickles lose to the donks this weekend (which can certainly happen), it's going to get real bad in Cleveland.

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So you don’t think it’s an issue? You don’t think it affects him at all that he can’t block out the noise? Why was his personality considered a possible red flag to begin with?

And I don’t give two ****s about what he did in college. That’s irrelevant.

I also don’t give a **** about his rookie season. He beat up on shit teams and looked like this years version against the good ones.

His personality is an awful fit for the position he plays and it obviously affects him. He’s more worried about what’s being said about him than anything else. He has little man syndrome and it’s clear as day that is affects him.

not sure how one can have that 1:2 ratio with those receivers and not get benched.

It’s not an ideal trait for your star QB to have, but that’s not the argument.

I haven’t seen any legitimate correlation (or causation) between him being a douche and his team not being able to win games. They’re losing because he’s playing like shit, he’s getting harassed in the pocket because his GM prioritized WR and pass rusher over OL, and their head coach is a ****ing buffoon.. his douchiness shining is a symptom of all that, not the disease.

To me Cobb is a great runner and ok receiver for a back.

Hunt is a above average runner and great receiver for a back.

Hunt ran great routes. You could line him out wide or in the slot and it would be total mismatch if they tried covering him with a LB or even most safeties.

I suppose it's because he was their "Big Pick" and you can't admit failure ... or something of that nature.

Nick Wright had his graphics department make a slate that compared Baker's stats with Andy Dalton. Big surprise ... Dalton has been playing better (statistically). And Dalton just got his ass seriously benched.

I just think it's difficult for teams to admit a mistake. Especially one as major as this one. And, of course, you have to consider the alternative ... who is their backup QB? I don't even know.

Of course, Baker may turn it around. Their remaining schedule is phenomenally easy. They play a bunch of replacement QBs and some horrific defenses that their run game should dominate.

The Chute Pickles' season may hinge on the donk game. We'll see ...

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I don't know ...

Perhaps there's a part of his brain that says "I'm THE GREATEST COMPETITOR IN THE WORRRRLLLLD!!!" right before he slings a duck behind and over-the-head of his receiver.

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I just don’t see how you can say it doesn’t affect him when so much of the game is mental for a QB.

Hence why Leaf was brought up at the start of this by Hamas.

You can say that about almost any rookie. You can't take away a players good games and then say 'this is how good they really are!' That makes no sense.

Dalton is over 30 years old with a ton of experience. They know exactly what he is at this point. Baker is still a young QB that needs more experience. We will see how it shakes out the next few years.

He's a second year starter that should be on the ascent.

Can't believe I drafted this ****stick in one of my leagues....

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Actually, I brought up Winston. I said that Mayfield is a douchebag, but that he isn't Leaf. Leaf has his own level on the pantheon of douchebag QBs.

That said, it is undoubtedly true that the personality of the quarterback has a significant influence on a team, and someone who is a carping bitch is going to sour things very quickly when the wins aren't coming.

It's no different than other assholes in sports that are only tolerable when their teams are winning.

For the ChiefsPlanet Record, I am not comparing Dalton to Bakerman. I'm merely pointing out that Nick Wright made a graphic thing that compared them.

Frankly, I haven't watched Dalton play a single snap all year ... never even felt the slightest desire to do so. As a result, I am unqualified to make a judgment on the issue.

I do feel capable and empowered to question any quarterback (regardless of age, year, or draft position) who is throwing twice the number of INTs relative to TDs. That, my friends, is absurd. Further, the claim that Bakerman's struggles are (at least) partially due to the o-line or the coaching or his mental stability only goes so far. The QB touches the ball on every play (wildcat-type-stuff notwithstanding) and has a responsibility to his team not to make everybody look worse.

I only look into the future on subjects that interest me. Therefore, I don't know how Bakerman's career will unfold. As of now, however, he looks like crap and behaves as though he's entitled. That's a bad combination and throws my moral compass into a spin.

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Looking at the stats (6 TDs and 12 INTs) he’s Jameis Winston with half the TDS.

67.8 passer rating? 21 sacks? That’s awful.

He has a QBR of 39.6. That edges out Dalton, Trubiscuit, Allen, Darnold, and Mariota for worst in the league.

Seriously ... you have to almost make a deliberate and concerted effort to be that damn bad.

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Lol Maybe.. but we'd have seen it with Baker prior to this season.

Aaron Rodgers is another cocky douche QB. His team has no problem winning games because he's really ****ing good.

Being a dick doesn't prevent you from throwing accurately or making the right reads.

I’m not simply talking about being a dick.

I’m talking about his blatant insecurity and inability to block out the noise. Do you read?

Baker feels the need to respond to all criticism. They say the first thing he does after the game is run to Twitter. That’s a legitimate issue.

Sounds like he'll be the next POTUS with that type of behavior

Oh shit, don't turn this into a DC thread

I'm reading. You're just not saying anything.

No you’re just REALLY being a ****ing moron about this.

Are you’d saying it i isn’t true? Baker can’t focus. He’s constantly distracted by his critics/beefs. How the **** is that not a problem?

Do you know this guy? Are you in the facility with these dudes? How the **** do you know he can't focus?

Guy acts like a douche in some postgame interviews and all of a sudden he can't watch film? Can't make accurate throws into tight coverage? Lol dawg, where is the logic?

Ummm I’m not basing this off a hunch. We’ve watched it all play out and you clearly haven’t been paying attention to the stories going back to last year.

The dude is constantly going back and forth with somebody whether it be Cowherd, that Browns reporter, Ehlinger, Hue etc.

Also, like I be said it’s been reported by guys in the locker room that he goes straight to his phone after the game.

The QB needs to be focused on one thing during the season week to week, his job. He can’t do that. It’s a ****ing problem. What do you not get about that?

I’m constantly in these arguments with you where you are completely oblivious to the facts. Either catch up or shut the **** up. You act like I’m making all of this stuff up or talking out of my ass. I’m far from the only person that has said these things.

You're connecting dots you have no business connecting.

You realize a guy can send a couple tweets and still focus on his job, right?

You run this risk between petulant child & fiery winning attitude when you act like Baker. I think it's mainly a bunch of shit. For some reason, fans pile on the quiet dude who doesn't dance around and say he doesn't care enough. Doesn't TRY hard enough. Garbage like that.

Usually fans like the animated guy who has alot of body language because they think it amps the team up and he's a "winner"...or some other such garbage.

Personality rarely effects on the field play unless it is at a detriment. If I'm a GM, give me the the cool and quiet guy 9 times out of 10 as opposed to the "fiery, passionate" player.

This isn’t just about a couple tweets, but you still don’t get that and you’re still just making assumptions without following these stories.

Again, this isn’t some wild conspiracy. This is a well known issue and has been talked about all over the media. Get a ****ing clue and get back to me.

Your argument is paper thin, brotha. It's based off of a couple sports reporting articles lol flimsy af

He is just misunderstood.
He is a rock solid human being.

the poop vs the asses ROFL ROFL ROFL

And then you end up with Alex Smith or Sam darnold. So, tread lightly.

That whole team has regressed, not just Baker.

Kitchens looks like a terrible hire.

You’re really ****ing dumb.

Both are good as long as the player knows how to use it to his advantage.

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WTF is up with that mustache lololololol does it come with a windowless van?

He's just the next one in a long line of Brown's QBs that won't be on the Browns for much longer. They're blaming Kitchens atm, but they'll soon turn on him and replace him.

Who the **** is dressing this child?

I'm trying to imagine myself in a meeting led by Freddie Kitchens.

Don't think I'd last long.

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