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The Franchise 02-19-2020 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 14803242)
Yeah that’s pretty much my stance. As long as we sign him to a decent deal or get great compensation, I’m happy.
And that’s where I’m at. I’m just leaning more on the side of signing him. If he wants Donald money or Veach gets a mid first and another pick....then I’d accept it and move on. But if we can sign him for $18 million a season....then I’m doing it.

DaFace 02-19-2020 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14803241)
So then you’re getting less value for Jones because now you have to replace him.
We already have other DTs on the team, so you're not really replacing Jones - you're upgrading another position instead and saying that the DL is good enough. As a random example (not getting into whether he specifically is worth it), Spotrac thinks that Matt Judon would be worth $16m per year and would be a HUGE upgrade at OLB. So that makes the decision:

Jones

vs.

Judon plus 1st round draft pick (and possibly more)

The Franchise 02-19-2020 01:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 14803248)
We already have other DTs on the team, so you're not really replacing Jones - you're upgrading another position instead and saying that the DL is good enough. As a random example (not getting into whether he specifically is worth it), Spotrac thinks that Matt Judon would be worth $16m per year and would be a HUGE upgrade at OLB. So that makes the decision:

Jones

vs.

Judon plus 1st round draft pick (and possibly more)
Matt Judon is an OLB in a 3-4. I know what you’re saying though.

bigdaddychieffan 02-19-2020 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14803230)
Categorically ****ing wrong.
Dont agree at all. If we pay jones this offseason it means we won’t be extending Mahomes right now. Probably wait to do that for next year and he will undoubtedly cost more then. Then it’s now you have to cut other people who may not offer any return due to cap casualties. I would rather not get in a bind paying 1/5 team cap on 2 dl players and another 5th on our qb. We got to field a complete team.

DaFace 02-19-2020 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14803250)
Matt Judon is an OLB in a 3-4. I know what you’re saying though.
Yeah, I'm just randomly picking dudes from Spotrac's list of estimated contracts. Don't really know much about the guy himself.

smithandrew051 02-19-2020 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14803245)
And that’s where I’m at. I’m just leaning more on the side of signing him. If he wants Donald money or Veach gets a mid first and another pick....then I’d accept it and move on. But if we can sign him for $18 million a season....then I’m doing it.
We agree

bigdaddychieffan 02-19-2020 01:56 PM
I’m paying the money for Mahomes no matter any compensation. We just need to spend the money wisely elsewhere. Can’t have everything.

suzzer99 02-19-2020 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by OKchiefs (Post 14803104)
Now that we’ve already won a super bowl I personally feel less desperate to have to run out there in 2020 and win it again. Of course it would be nice to win again in 2020 and I hope it happens, but I’m more concerned now with maintaining the long term health of the roster. Instead of trying to load up again in 2020 at the expense of potential future talent and depth, I’d rather make the moves needed to stockpile talent/depth long term. So as much as I’d love to have Chris Jones, unless he takes $15 million a year I don’t see how you can sink $40 million+ a year into two players on the DL. Assuming we can capitalize on the draft capital and not take another Breeland Speaks, adding a 1st and 3rd and maybe even trading out of our current 1st round pick for additional picks gives us a lot of ammunition to fill out the roster. We already haven’t had a 1st round pick since 2017 and we have a lot of free agents, leaving us in a position where the depth and/or talent on the roster at certain positions could become perilously thin. Going from a single pick in rounds 1, 2, & 3 to a 1st, two 2nd, two 3rd, two 4th, etc. plus the cap savings from not adding a $20 million a year contract that can be spread among several positions/players IMO helps more in the long run than a single player not named Mahomes.
I hear what you're saying. But the counterpoint is maybe we should sell out to try to win one or two more now while we still have Kelce, Hill, Clark, Jones(?), Watkins(??), and HB in their primes - then go through a couple years' rebuild.

Hoover 02-19-2020 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by bigdaddychieffan (Post 14803259)
I’m paying the money for Mahomes no matter any compensation. We just need to spend the money wisely elsewhere. Can’t have everything.
And everyone here and around the globe agree...

Halfcan 02-19-2020 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 14803253)
Yeah, I'm just randomly picking dudes from Spotrac's list of estimated contracts. Don't really know much about the guy himself.
Will, any of these guys love KC as much as Jones, smile like Jones, flop his dong like Jones, talk like Jones, walk like Jones, dominate like Jones, talk shit to QB's like Jones or make a great soda drink like Jones?

Dunerdr 02-19-2020 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 14803248)
We already have other DTs on the team, so you're not really replacing Jones - you're upgrading another position instead and saying that the DL is good enough. As a random example (not getting into whether he specifically is worth it), Spotrac thinks that Matt Judon would be worth $16m per year and would be a HUGE upgrade at OLB. So that makes the decision:

Jones

vs.

Judon plus 1st round draft pick (and possibly more)
not to mention spags likes to move d ends inside to rush on rush downs. so you dont truly have to replace him.

BossChief 02-19-2020 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by bigdaddychieffan (Post 14803228)
The fact that we are gonna have to pay Mahomes means we can’t keep Jones. We went all in to win it this year. Time to retool and build a dynasty. That has to come from making good financial decisions since we are gonna have to pay that money for the qb that we haven’t had to thus far.
Paying Chris Jones is a good decision.

The only reasons you don’t pay him:

If you feel his knee won’t hold up
If you feel like won’t take the responsibility that comes with the contract seriously.
If you feel he might get into off the field trouble during the contract
If you feel he has reached his ceiling

smithandrew051 02-19-2020 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 14803307)
Paying Chris Jones is a good decision.

The only reasons you don’t pay him:

If you feel his knee won’t hold up
If you feel like won’t take the responsibility that comes with the contract seriously.
If you feel he might get into off the field trouble during the contract
If you feel he has reached his ceiling
Or if you get blown away by an offer.

If someone does something stupid like offering 2 1sts and a 2nd, you take it regardless of how you feel about him.

Hoover 02-19-2020 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 14803307)
Paying Chris Jones is a good decision.

The only reasons you don’t pay him:

If you feel his knee won’t hold up
If you feel like won’t take the responsibility that comes with the contract seriously.
If you feel he might get into off the field trouble during the contract
If you feel he has reached his ceiling
All fair, but I think it's more complicated than that.

If you pay Jones you also have to be convinced you can rebuild the entire offensive live without free agency, that you can use CB rentals and late round draft picks at CB, and that Kelce is just a machine who keeps producing.

The reason I'd sign Jones is because I think the cap is going to jump up. The reason I would trade him is because the team has some critical areas of need that I'm just not confident in being able to address in the draft alone.

JakeF 02-19-2020 02:54 PM
Should be more than just a 1st rounder.

Didn't we already spend Jones money on Clark?

WarChiefs89 02-19-2020 02:57 PM
So in this debate many of you are saying you'd rather have option #1 versus option #2...

Option 1 = Chris Jones on a new 5-yr contract with ~20 mil AAV

Option 2 =

- Choose 1 of these $12-$14 mil guys... Brandon Scherff (G), Byron Jones (CB), Markus Golden (OLB), Chris Harris (CB), Jamie Collins (OLB), Matt Skura (C), Cory Littleton (LB)

PLUS

- Choose 1 of these $4-6 mil guys... Michael Pierce (DT), Jordan Phillips (DT), Patrick Onwuasor (ILB)

PLUS

- Choose 1 (1st round pick)... Grant Delpit (S), Patrick Queen (LB), Henry Ruggs (WR), Kenneth Murray (LB), Kristian Fulton (CB), Xavier McKinney (S)

PLUS

- 3rd Round Pick for a rotational RB, slot WR, 3rd safety, depth CB etc.

I'm finding it hard to say Chris Jones. And he's admittedly awesome, but we can sign a legit proven player, a decent vet player, a 1st / 3rd round pick in a really nice draft class. This one isn't that hard to me.

The Franchise 02-19-2020 03:00 PM
1. We don’t know how much Jones is asking for.
2. Byron Jones is not getting $12-14 million a season. Try more. And I’m not paying a ****ing OG that much money.
3. We have no idea what other teams are going to offer for Jones.

Chief Roundup 02-19-2020 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 14803248)
We already have other DTs on the team, so you're not really replacing Jones - you're upgrading another position instead and saying that the DL is good enough. As a random example (not getting into whether he specifically is worth it), Spotrac thinks that Matt Judon would be worth $16m per year and would be a HUGE upgrade at OLB. So that makes the decision:

Jones

vs.

Judon plus 1st round draft pick (and possibly more)
We have 0 other DTs on this team that are in the realm of Chris Jones. Without his disruption our DE players will not have as much impact either. The drop off of DL play was incredibly noticeable when Jones was not in there.

Halfcan 02-19-2020 03:04 PM
Option 1 - Awesome, Big Dick Jones.

Option 2 - Overpaid, Free Agent Broke Dicks and some Draft Picks that have a huge chance to be a bust.


This one isn't that hard for me.

Chief Roundup 02-19-2020 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Dunerdr (Post 14803287)
not to mention spags likes to move d ends inside to rush on rush downs. so you dont truly have to replace him.
How well did that work in the games that Jones was injured? As I recall not worth a damn.

JakeF 02-19-2020 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 14803343)
How well did that work in the games that Jones was injured? As I recall not worth a damn.
We started playing Nnadi and Saunders in the middle and that solidified our run defense and protected our linebackers. Our defense really seemed to come together when Jones was hurt.

when jones came back Spags started playing him at DE on run downs.

The Franchise 02-19-2020 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 14803351)
We started playing Nnadi and Saunders in the middle and that solidified our run defense and protected our linebackers. Our defense really seemed to come together when Jones was hurt.

when jones came back Spags started playing him at DE on run downs.
Pennel solidified our run defense. Do you watch the games?

JakeF 02-19-2020 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14803352)
Pennel solidified our run defense. Do you watch the games?
everyone you arrogant ass.


You should go back to Pestilence, it fits better.

dirk digler 02-19-2020 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 14803188)
For those who are strongly advocating for signing Jones, does our experience with Houston not terrify you? He had 22 sacks, got paid, then proceeded to be hurt every year and never topped 10 sacks again. Sub in Eric Berry if you want another example.

What about Jones makes you confident that he's not going to fall apart similarly? I get the "draft picks are lottery tickets" take, but I don't understand how signing a guy like Jones to a huge contract is any different. And the former option comes with a bag of money.

No because Veach isn't Dorsey. I like for the most part how he has structured the contracts

BossChief 02-19-2020 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14803241)
So then you’re getting less value for Jones because now you have to replace him.
If they trade Chris, it’s because they think he’s not worth whatever price his side is demanding...and that Saunders can become a disruptive pass rushing 3-tech that’s also good against the run. I do think there’s a chance that happens. That’s a gamble, though. If Daly feels he can develop Saunders into that kind of player, I could understand trading Chris for a package of picks like we got for Jared.

Let’s say they feel they can just bring back Pennel and have a very good DT rotation and they can get a first in the 13-18 range and a 2nd or early third...I could see that being valuable to Veach because a blue chip talent could fall to them at that range or they could use that pick to slide down into the mid 20s and adding another second rounder or a future first.

That strategy is a huge gamble, but could yield huge results.

dirk digler 02-19-2020 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 14803265)
I hear what you're saying. But the counterpoint is maybe we should sell out to try to win one or two more now while we still have Kelce, Hill, Clark, Jones(?), Watkins(??), and HB in their primes - then go through a couple years' rebuild.

:bravo::bravo::bravo::bravo::bravo::bravo::bravo::bravo:

The Franchise 02-19-2020 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 14803401)
If they trade Chris, it’s because they think he’s not worth whatever price his side is demanding...and that Saunders can become a disruptive pass rushing 3-tech that’s also good against the run. I do think there’s a chance that happens. That’s a gamble, though. If Daly feels he can develop Saunders into that kind of player, I could understand trading Chris for a package of picks like we got for Jared.

Let’s say they feel they can just bring back Pennel and have a very good DT rotation and they can get a first in the 13-18 range and a 2nd or early third...I could see that being valuable to Veach because a blue chip talent could fall to them at that range or they could use that pick to slide down into the mid 20s and adding another second rounder or a future first.

That strategy is a huge gamble, but could yield huge results.
I get all that and I’ll defer to Veach.

ChiefsFanatic 02-19-2020 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 14803394)
No because Veach isn't Dorsey. I like for the most part how he has structured the contracts
He has said in interviews that he started structuring contracts with Mahomes second contract in mind the moment he became GM.

I am firmly in the we need to keep Chris Jones camp, but one thing we all need to keep in mind is that Jones hasn't demanded $20 million, and has stated that he wants to be a Kansas City Chief. I'm not saying he is going to take significantly less than fair market value, but as of right now we don't have any idea what his asking price is.

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Sofa King 02-19-2020 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 14803367)
everyone you arrogant ass.


You should go back to Pestilence, it fits better.
https://media1.giphy.com/media/KzEcc...xvI2/giphy.gif

TEX 02-19-2020 04:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 14803342)
Option 1 - Awesome, Big Dick Jones.

Option 2 - Overpaid, Free Agent Broke Dicks and some Draft Picks that have a huge chance to be a bust.


This one isn't that hard for me.
Yep. He's a difference maker. Privides one hell of a pass rush up the middle and can play anywhere on the DL. There's maybe one or two other guys in the NFL besides Jones that can do what he does. This kind of player is in high demand on any defense and we have him. He can play all downs and you can do different things with him based on the situation. Other teams look at him and hope to get a similar type of player that can do some of what he can do. He's an exceptional player even when compared to the very best players in the league. I keep this player on my team.

Bill Brasky 02-19-2020 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 14803151)
I would rather have the elite talent that is Chris Jones that is a bigger difference maker than any one of those players and possibly even all them together.
This is the most stupid take, maybe on all of CP. you think jones is more impactful than hill, kelce, thornhill, and hardman put together. Pass whatever you’re smoking bud! :)

Chief Roundup 02-19-2020 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 14803351)
We started playing Nnadi and Saunders in the middle and that solidified our run defense and protected our linebackers. Our defense really seemed to come together when Jones was hurt.

when jones came back Spags started playing him at DE on run downs.
My response was to rushing the QB not defending the run. Stay on track here.
But since you went there I will say that you are still incorrect in what you think you saw. The run D came together after the first Titan game when they sat Pennel and didn't play Ragland. After that they played Pennel and Ragland on running downs and we were able to stop the run and still defend the pass well enough when a team tried to switch it up trying to catch us off guard. Spags rotated Nnadi, Jones and Saunders next to Pennel for the most part but sometimes he even put Jones at DE next to Pennel and or Nnadi.

Easy 6 02-19-2020 05:26 PM
The Sacksquatch voters are winning handily :thumb:

Skyy God 02-19-2020 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 14803557)
The Sacksquatch voters are winning handily :thumb:
Errybody wanted to re-up HoboSpirit too.

Chief Roundup 02-19-2020 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill Brasky (Post 14803539)
This is the most stupid take, maybe on all of CP. you think jones is more impactful than hill, kelce, thornhill, and hardman put together. Pass whatever you’re smoking bud! :)
I take it that by now you have read the rest of the thread and have figured out that there were two people yourself and one other that didn't figure out the obvious.

Easy 6 02-19-2020 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Cave Johnson (Post 14803560)
Errybody wanted to re-up HoboSpirit too.
Trying to replace 1 stud with 2 average joes almost never works

There are only 53 slots available, give me one guy capable of producing like two... not vice versa

We’ll see what Veach does, but my bet is squarely on Jones

MahiMike 02-19-2020 05:55 PM
I have Jones as one of my cornerstone players for this team.

pugsnotdrugs19 02-19-2020 05:57 PM
I don’t know that them trading Jones automatically means they’ll just hand that $20M out to 2 or 3 other players that they’d bring in.

Really, trading Jones would signal a need for money to me that it almost certainly dedicated to Mahomes. Not adding new, relatively expensive players.

BigRedChief 02-19-2020 06:34 PM
Yikes!

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In one month (3/19), Jared Goff will be paid his $21M roster bonus for 2020. In addition, his $25M 2021 salary, $2.5M 2021 roster bonus, &amp; $15.5M 2022 roster bonus ALL become fully guaranteed. His dead cap figure will rise to $94M!</p>&mdash; Spotrac (@spotrac) <a href="https://twitter.com/spotrac/status/1230099715527790593?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 19, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Buehler445 02-19-2020 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14803113)
I’ve come to the conclusion that you pay Chris Jones. Dude is ****ing 25 and just hitting his peak. You don’t let those players go. We need to stop acting like we can’t afford it. There are ways to maneuver the cap. Dude was a trooper and showed up to camp because Veach told him that he would work on a new deal. Jones held up his end of the deal....now you pay the man.
I am fairly worried if it doesn’t work out with Jones that it might damage some good faith in the locker room. The locker room seems to be an all time high.

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14803195)
So do you never pay any of your defensive players?

Injuries happen. It’s all about how you structure the contracts.

Dorsey was ****ing shit at contracts.
No argument about Dorsey there.

I did this exercise with my Hill thread. If you look through the highest paid contracts at every position they don’t look like a good deal. Hell Donald even didn’t have a great year this year.

I go back to the productivity per unit Salary Cap just doesn’t seem very good at all in any position other than good QBs. That’s perhaps exacerbated by all the first round bounces where the other team mitigates our good guy and he produces ****ing nothing in a first round bounce. But that doesn’t change the fact that if you paid for a dude that didn’t produce very much more than a dude half his price.

IowaHawkeyeChief 02-19-2020 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic (Post 14803413)
He has said in interviews that he started structuring contracts with Mahomes second contract in mind the moment he became GM.

I am firmly in the we need to keep Chris Jones camp, but one thing we all need to keep in mind is that Jones hasn't demanded $20 million, and has stated that he wants to be a Kansas City Chief. I'm not saying he is going to take significantly less than fair market value, but as of right now we don't have any idea what his asking price is.

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I'm surprised more players don't take a reasonable discount... Jones has a chance at the HOF if he wins another superbowl or 2 and would probably end up on the Ring of Honor. Also, the gov't takes 50% of any potential increase over a discount... Although they get 50% of the overall as well....

RunKC 02-19-2020 06:55 PM
If this CBA deal with 2 extra games per season instead of 1 passes, you pay Jones what he wants and backload the holy hell out of it.

Instead of the average $10 million rise in the cap every year, it’s gonna easily be at least $15 million per year.

pugsnotdrugs19 02-19-2020 06:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 14803724)
If this CBA deal with 2 extra games per season instead of 1 passes, you pay Jones what he wants and backload the holy hell out of it.

Instead of the average $10 million rise in the cap every year, it’s gonna easily be at least $15 million per year.
More probably. Cause they’re already getting a bigger chunk % wise.

Megatron96 02-19-2020 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief (Post 14803701)
I'm surprised more players don't take a reasonable discount... Jones has a chance at the HOF if he wins another superbowl or 2 and would probably end up on the Ring of Honor. Also, the gov't takes 50% of any potential increase over a discount... Although they get 50% of the overall as well....
I think there's a few reasons for this. Obviously one is that most of these guys came for poor backgrounds, and they can't even imagine turning down more money.

Then, consider that a lot of these guys are literally supporting their entire extended family. Parents, uncles, aunts, baby mommas, etc.

The average NFL career is about 3 years.

No one gets paid the last year of their contract.

Their agents get paid more if they get paid more, so . . .

Probably a few more reasons on top of those.

And the vast majority of players will never be inducted into the HOF, so why not take the money?

But if I were a player of Chris Jones' caliber, I would definitely think about the HOF and my legacy. Multiple SB rings would be a top goal right now, were I him. And I would take a discount to achieve that goal.

Chief Roundup 02-19-2020 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief (Post 14803701)
I'm surprised more players don't take a reasonable discount... Jones has a chance at the HOF if he wins another superbowl or 2 and would probably end up on the Ring of Honor. Also, the gov't takes 50% of any potential increase over a discount... Although they get 50% of the overall as well....
There are some reasons for taking a discount. If you live in a state that does not have state income tax. It probably would save you the difference in taxes.
If the contract is $5M less over the length of say 5 years then probably, especially if you are on a team that is contending or you already have roots.

Chief Roundup 02-19-2020 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 14803724)
If this CBA deal with 2 extra games per season instead of 1 passes, you pay Jones what he wants and backload the holy hell out of it.

Instead of the average $10 million rise in the cap every year, it’s gonna easily be at least $15 million per year.
Uh it is not really anything extra to the entire league. They are just changing one pre season into a regular season. The extra post season is paid and handled completely different now and I am sure it would be going forward as well.

BossChief 02-19-2020 08:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 14803724)
If this CBA deal with 2 extra games per season instead of 1 passes, you pay Jones what he wants and backload the holy hell out of it.

Instead of the average $10 million rise in the cap every year, it’s gonna easily be at least $15 million per year.
Try 25-30

Bigger percentage
New TV deals
More games
Gambling $
More overseas games

KurtCobain 02-20-2020 07:55 PM
I say we sign Snacks cheap and tag and trade Jones. I like Jones but we're not in a position to pay him right now.

Fat Elvis 02-20-2020 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by KurtCobain (Post 14806044)
I say we sign Snacks cheap and tag and trade Jones. I like Jones but we're not in a position to pay him right now.
With a couple roster moves, we can easily afford Jones and Mahomes under the new CBA if the players approve it.

TribalElder 02-20-2020 10:00 PM
I read somewhere that sammy watkins cap number is 21m this year

is that right?

yep https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/cap/

good lord that berry deal was a nightmare 8 million still in 2020

KurtCobain 02-20-2020 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Fat Elvis (Post 14806160)
With a couple roster moves, we can easily afford Jones and Mahomes under the new CBA if the players approve it.
Do you think they will?

Chargem 02-21-2020 01:44 AM
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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 14803942)
Try 25-30

Bigger percentage
New TV deals
More games
Gambling $
More overseas games
I might be being dense here, but how does the league make money from gambling? They can't be giving out licences to gamble on the games, or taking a cut of Vegas's profits on bets placed on games? I guess if there are on site bookies at the stadiums, the league could be taking a piece of them.

I agree its good for the game because overall it increases viewership/engagement but I wouldn't have thought its a huge money spinner for the league, and you've already captured "increased viewership" in the new TV deals bit really.

Quote:
Originally Posted by TribalElder (Post 14806177)
I read somewhere that sammy watkins cap number is 21m this year

is that right?

yep https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/cap/

good lord that berry deal was a nightmare 8 million still in 2020
Yep $21m but only $7m is guaranteed, which is why all the talk about cut/restructure.

BlackOp 02-21-2020 01:44 AM
Jones isn't going anywhere...he batted down 2 passes in the final minutes of the SB.

While it doesn't really register how important those plays were...they were as big any offensive one.

I cant see Veach letting a star player leave...especially with the new CBA about to hit.

Clark and Jones seem to have developed a chemistry....maybe they bonded in the fact they have the two most forgettable names in the NFL.

SuperBowl4 02-21-2020 02:12 AM
And with the 32nd pick in the NFL's 2020 Draft the Kansas City CHIEFS select Drue Chrisman - Punter, Ohio State


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