Remember when CP bitched about who tf is Fenton and everyone called him a scrub before the season even started. Now he’s our starting slot CB and did really good last year

Here is something interesting, there is some speculation that Javon Kinlaw is going to fall like a rock on draft day.

Apparently some teams have limited medicals that say he has bad knees and a bad hip and they question how long his career will be. With how tough medicals are this year and how things go someone will have to have some faith to take him...means he could very easily fall as some GM's won't be willing to do that.

Well, he's not a physical WR and he's slim, which at age 24 indicates his body is maxed out.

Tyrann Mathieu is your starting slot CB...

I remember Chiefs fans and CP bitching about the Chiefs drafts for 20+ years, regardless of who was chosen.

I fully think that Kenneth Murray is a Dallas Cowboy.

I would be allover that shit, but I think that's I sure hope he drops to our slot talk.

I’m talking about a guy that can start if there’s an injury like Claiborne last year.

Then start in 2021.

I agree that I’m taking Queen or Murray at 32 if they’re there. That’s not even a question.

I’m just talking about Brown and Hamilton not keeping us from drafting a CB at 32.

Hes our starting SS.... hell with the amount of snaps Sorensen played last year he’s technically a starter as well

Murray, Smith and Vander Esch? Christ. That’s overkill.

They don't do a lot of smart things....

Cowboys I have basically as it's either Kenneth Murray or secondary and the CB's are likely to not be what they want and they probably think they can go safety in the second.

CBS did a mock draft and they have Murray and Queen both landing in the second round. They had the Cowboys taking Fulton because they need a CB

Fenton remains just the damndest thing.

Like...he SUCKED in camp. Never heard anything positive. And was awful in pre-season.

What the hell kind of Grays Sports Almanac shit does Veach have tucked away somewhere that told him "this guy was unheralded and terrible every time he was on the field during the pre-season...but you should totally hold onto him anyway because he's going to make important plays late in the year..."?

That's one of those things that makes me wonder if some front office folks don't have a better feel for actual coachability than others. So much of the rest of it is available on tape or can be crunched in numbers. The paradox of skill has taken over in the NFL draft so a lot of this stuff comes down to luck anymore.

But in the margins, some guys may simply have a better handle on how well certain prospects adapt to coaching. Or maybe it's the coaching staff that saw it.

But the Fenton thing will always be something that just makes no damn sense to me. Because you could put Charvarius Ward opposite Tremon Smith in the Seahawks game, see Ward get beat up and still walk away going "okay, there's something there with Ward but Smith sucks..." It's not like you have to see great play to recognize potential and sometimes degrees of suck are demonstrative in their own right.

But...when the hell did Fenton demonstrate that potential?

That's why they get paid the big bucks, I s'pose...

**** I’m slipping.

Even better to prove my point though.

Don't see them pulling that, after Okudah and Henderson there is a sizable drop in talent at CB, Murray is highly thought of, high character and Sean Lee is on his last legs.

The Fenton thing baffled me as well.

Then I saw he was from Carol City....

Trust me when I say those guys are just a different breed.

That's my stumbling block for Delpit.

But with the loss of Jones, they may just click on 'auto-pick' for the best CB on the board and walk away.

Veach is former player which helps and he loves scouting players. When Fenton stepped in at the Broncos game and made some really key drops I was like woah wait a minute we may have something here. He was also about a foot away from becoming the scapegoat if Jimmy G hits Sanders in stride

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And Sean Lee, who FINALLY played a healthy season. He's not the guy he was and LBs can sometimes just fall off a cliff, but they didn't pay him $4.5 million not to play him.

No way. Not with Jaylon Smith and Vander Esch. I know there are injury concerns with those guys, but they aren’t investing the 17th pick on another LB.

A lot of mock drafts have the raiders taking either Murray or Queen at number 19

I could easily see it,unless you think they are going to go safety or trade out, not much else makes sense for them.

They just spent money signing 2 LB's....they need DL, specifically interior DL or WR.

Oh I'm still not convinced he's good - don't get me wrong.

But he's played about 12 more NFL games than I ever expected he would/should.

(As for the Sanders play - Ward was who should've worn the goat horns there, but yeah - Fenton was pretty late to get back as well; Ward cannot let Sanders get that kind of break past him in that situation; really half-assed his chuck for some reason).

Corner is an option after losing Jones. They supposedly want a WR to protect their investment in Dak.

That or they can also take Chaisson if he makes it to 17.

All make more sense than a LB IMO.

Ward did not have a great postseason.

Chaisson is a popular mock pick to them...

DE A.J. Epenesa

If Veach is the guy I think he is and he slides because of the Underwear Olympics then this is the pick in my mind. He was too good on the football field in a power conference and he constantly went against doubles and chips.

He would form a nice duo with Lawrence.

Cornerback makes all the sense in the world.

Henderson, Fulton and Gladney are all possibilities. Henderson would have to slip a bit but not too far. Fulton and Gladney are just polarizing prospects both ways but either of them are defensible there.

I think they'd run up to take Henderson if he fell that far, problem is I doubt that happens and then it is really the value of the other players.

Jaylon Johnson could be there as well

BPA in the mocks I have done it comes down to these.

Patrick Queen LB LSU
Xavier Mckinney S Ala
JK Dobbins RB OSU
Antoine Winfield Jr. S Minn
Jeff Gladney CB TSU
A.J Terrell CB Clemson
Josh Jones OT H

Offensively, the Chiefs under Reid have drafted players that fit his long proven scheme, so he's able to look past some warts because he knows how to coach up those types of players. That said, we haven't seen that on the defensive side until 2019.

It appears to me that Spagnuolo has a vision for the type of player that fits his scheme and with Veach's time in Philly overlapping with Spagnuolo's, he's already familiar with what type of player fits this defensive scheme, making decisions on draft day and in free agency that much easier.

So in short, Reid, Spagnuolo and maybe to a lesser extent, Dave Toub, know exactly the type of player the need to make their scheme a success, which is why the won the Super Bowl last year while turning over more than half their defensive roster, which is still mindblowing to me.

I would trade the first three picks for future picks in 2022 and 2023. No football until then. It's a no brainer. Do it Veach! You'll look like a genius!

Maybe I dont think Dallas needs help on defense. Look at who they have added in FA...

Gerald McCoy
Dontari Poe
Clinton Ha-ha-Dix

Possible to come back is - Randy Gregory/Aldon Smith (if they get these guys back the NAME VALUE on this D-Line could be crazy)

I think they will end up trading back or going O-Line/DB

Look who they added?

Look who they lost. Byron Jones is more valuable than all of those guys combined, and it’s not like their defense was all that great last year. Their secondary was their biggest weakness, and they lost their best guy there. How do they not need help on defense? Lol

How will adding a 32 year old McCoy, a broken Poe, a guy that hasn't played in 5 years and another that's barely played make their Dline "crazy"?

Clinton-Dix is average at best.

**** Dallas. Who cares? staylor is right: their biggest loss is Jones and DB/secondary needs addressing, but again,.... don’t care

Truer words have never been spoken

DE A.J. Epenesa

KPass is the only RDE we have right now. Epenesa would solidify our defensive line and give us impact players across our entire Dline.


Clark, Nnadi, Jones, Epenesa

Jonathan Taylor runs a 4.3 40? Wow

Dane Brugler’s mock has Epenesa going 36th. Based on who was available I saw these guys and made a mock

Who says no to this?

1. A.J. Epenesa DL Iowa
2. Cam Akers RB Florida State
3. Malik Harrison LB Ohio State
4. Cameron Clark OL Charlotte
5. John Hightower WR Boise State

Also imagine if we can trade down from 32 to 34 or 35 for a 4th rd pick and still pull that draft off.

He also has a stupid workload, he carried 200 more times than Swift did in their college careers.

So he didn’t outrun all the hits? Lol

It seems like fans of 2/3 of the teams think their team could be in on murray or queen if they are there.

Thought this was very helpful looking at what other team’s need are.

https://www.thehuddlereport.com/teamneeds.shtml

You keep saying this.

Clark is our WDE. We have Kpass and Okafor at SDE.

I’m still for drafting Epenesa for 2021 and beyond because Okafor and KPass will be free agents.

I said this in the other thread, if you dig Swift you shouldn't avoid him because of the shelf life of a RB...if you get 5 awesome years from him that is worth the pick it's 32 not 5.

Also you know how many guys see a second contract with their first team? The Chiefs currently from either draft picks or UDFA's have...

7 guys they've done that with on their current roster, 7 out of 53, so that second deal really doesn't matter.

As I said the Chiefs aren't on the "5 year plan" the window is now

CAN WE GET A POLL PLEASE???

...starting to see some consolidation of the potential day 1 picks

If you're drafting for year 1 need on a Super Bowl Champion that's returned 92% of its snaps from its starters, you're doing something wrong.

They can absolutely afford to approach this draft w/ years 2-3-4 in mind. Especially when there are guys that can satisfy both masters.

Yep Kansas City will never have a high priced back while Mahomes is under center. If you want an elite back to pair with Mahomes you'll need to achieve that through the draft.

Lord - look at the talent in Brugler's draft for us:

Josh Jones, OT
AJ Epenesa, DE
Kristian Fulton, CB
Jeff Gladney, CB
Grant Delpit, S
Ross Blacklock, DT
Xavier McKinney, S


I mean.....shit. Did anyone in the first make a good pick? I'd be happy if any of the first 5 of those guys are on the board for us. Can't go wrong with a single one of them.

And yet somehow Brugler put together a staggeringly mediocre draft for us.

I'd probably go:

1. Gladney (would haaaaaate passing on Delpit but love the idea of a long-term CB w/ true CB1 ability)

2. Yeah, probably Akers because he's thinned out the 2nd round quite a bit there and with Gay and Harrison still on the board, I wouldn't take Gay yet.

3. Malik Harrison
4. Alton Robinson, DE - Syracuse
5. Solomon Kindley, OG - UGA

And I'd friggen love 1, 3, 4 and 5 w/ an understanding that 2 is a hell of a talent even if I didn't want to go RB that early.

I'd get a good CB, RB, off-ball 'backer, rotational DE and nice IOL prospect.

I'd take that draft and run. I like it a lot more than what he gave us.

Which is why I think Swift would be a fantastic addition if available. 5 years of top-performing RB play for cheap alongside Mahomes would be great!

I think Bruglar is on crack, his mock is really out there.

Yep Veach even said today that the draft picks this year he’s looking at 2-3 years in the future

Y'know what's gotten really frustrating lately? The laziness of draft guys when it comes to talking about DEs.

How stupid is "AJ Epenesa, Edge" alongside "Josh Uche, Edge"

Those are clearly 2 different players who will be working completely differently. Epenesa is best utilized as a 4-3 DE. Uche, OTOH, is an obvious OLB.

C'mon draft hacks - you do this once a year. Why can you not give the kind of detail that might be a little useful if we're trying to parse through this stuff quickly?

Because he's not an elite NFL RB. He's not even the best RB in this draft and i wouldn't be surprised to see him slide to the 3rd.

I don't agree about Dobbins either. He's not the best for this offense.

Watch Clyde Edwards Helaire.

I get flashbacks of Ladanian Tomlinson.

He has great feet that are always churning.

Outstanding patience. Great vision. Dude has a knack for picking his spot and finding his hole.

And when he hits the hole the man has lightning quick start/stop acceleration.

You'll watch him get skinny and then burst through a hole and absolutely gobble up yards.

He caught 50 passes for LSU while rushing for over 1,400 yards at 6.6 YPC.

AND the icing on the cake: He has almost no mileage on him.

This dude is the ideal back for K.C and IS a better back than Swift.

There are a lot of services that aren't listing DE and OLB anymore they're all Edge.

Guys that are 3-4 ends, and DTs are the DL and LBs are all off ball guys.

I completely disagree actually, Helaire, is a solid player but he doesn't have the natural gifts that Swift has.

As I said it's all about protecting the Patrick Mahomes investment those 5 years could very well be 5 years of SB appearances.

There is nuance but load management is key for success to keep Mahomes relatively healthy hence OL/RB security demand

I FIRMLY believe the following:

1. The Chiefs are not drafting a ****ing guard in the 1st round.
2. Edwards Helaire is the BEST back in this draft and would elevate this offense, but i think he may be the 1st back taken.
3. I don't believe the Chiefs feel they have a need at CB. Matter of fact, i think they really ****ing like their CB's so it wouldn't surprise me at all if they passed on one both day 1 and 2.
4. If i could have my choice of DB i'd take Okudah or Antoine Winfield Jr. Neither of which will be there when the Chiefs pick.

Winfield should be unless something weird happens.

Anybody intrigued by Tee Higgins at 32?

Virtually anything can be shoehorned into an investment to keep Mahomes healthy.

Beef up your defense, cut your points allowed and reduce the number of drop-backs needed by Mahomes by 4-5/gm and you've helped protect him. Or make the drop-backs needed shorter by getting a RB that keeps you ahead of the sticks and you've reduced the number of hits he takes.

The best way to maximize Mahomes is to improve the team around him as much as possible. Hemming yourself into a specific position won't do that.

Yup we are totally in disagreement.

I watch Swift and i see a guy that's quite limited. He has some quickness to him but almost no burst, he's tackled easily and his vision is so-so.

I can show you clips of Helaire that you can't show me of Swift. Clips of Helaire slithering though what looks like no hole and then bursting for a gain of 8-9 yards.

Helaire is a legit NFL back.

Swift is a guy that can still be productive, but he's a "get him in space" guy.

Winfield is the best S in this draft. His only knock is his height.

Look at the film, man.

**** these mock drafts from experts who get this shit wrong every year. There's no way you can watch Winfield and tell me he's not a ****in' baller.

There's just no way.

Nope. We have a quarterback that can fit the ball into the smallest possible windows - I don't need a 'catch radius' guy. Especially not one who isn't as sharp out of his breaks as I'd like - that doesn't work well in Reid's system.

Not a bad player, but not a particularly good fit.

I like him, i think Mathieu is his comp, however he has some injury questions that'll hurt.

I think Swift is similar to Kamara, he's a really good receiver, and his ability to run in zone is very good.

Winfield is awesome, but he also has some injury concerns and is a smaller dude. It’s not an insult to say he’s likely going in the 2nd. It’s just the truth.

Yeah, he's a Mathieu type guy.

Earl Thomas is another good comparison.

Imagine.....

Anyone know anything about Kyle Dugger, S, Lenoir-Rhyne?

Curious how good is he?

I personally don’t think he’s a great fit either but when I finalized my top 150 draft board on TDN he was right there around 32.

Yea I don't really see him as a fit, good talent just not here.

Safety wasn't on my radar at all but this Delpit kid is intriguing as hell. Spags would be able to really mix it up on the back end.

He's 200lbs. He's short but he's rock'd up.

Mathieu was 174lbs
E. Thomas was 202lbs.

This kid is my top S prospect, no doubt.

He has speed, tenacity, pedigree, versatility and he plays with wreckless abandon.

Give me that all day long.

If he was in the 2021 draft and we are losing both Watkins and Robinson I'd be all about it. I just think you have to draft to maximize your ability to win THIS year while also building for the future. Higgins just not a need whatsoever this year.