It MUST happen

LOL, ok that's hilarious.

From my final mock in the draft section:

https://3sigmaathlete.com/archive/sp...s-2019/safety/

Juan Thornhill had a 146.1 SPARQ Score

Outside of Speaks it seems the defensive side values freakish measurables

You're one miserable dumb ****ing asshole. Find another team, dipshit!

So to recap - so far we've drafted DJ 2.0, we've drafted a RB who's somewhere between Brian Westbrook and Barry Sanders - so maybe La'Veon Bell? And I guess Willie Roaf 2.0?

Sweet.

Not sure how this pick cannot get you excited based on potential alone. He wrecked a good Alabama O line. Some time under this defensive staff and there may be a monster in the middle of the D.

So Gay's nickname is obviously "LGBTQ" or "Marvin", right? :D

Gay has a higher wonderlic than Ray Lewis...

Mecca, glad to see you've accepted your true self.

Nice to see Chiefs Kingdom embracing our gay linebacker.

As someone who excelled at standardized tests all my school life, I realized a long time ago that i wasn't nearly as smart as these tests said I was.

The key to doing well on a standardized test is to read a lot. You have to enjoy reading. The reason why is you simply have to read fast to get though all the questions within the time limit.

You get good at reading fast by doing a lot of it. If you read very fast, you will have the time to use deductive reasoning to eliminate a lot of options on the multiple choice standardized tests. This means you will guess well and appear to know more than you really do.

If you don't like to read, or struggle with some cultural or language barrier, the tests will make you appear far dumber than you really are. Muhammad Ali supposedly scored a 79 on an IQ test, which made him not so smart.

Uhhhh yeah. Anyone who watched that guy in an interview knows that's nonsense. Ali was very smart.

Annoyingly, I can’t find Wonderlic scores for either Hitchens or Damien Wilson. A 14 indicates someone with basically average intelligence.

Gay scored better than Isaiah Simmons and right in line with Logan Wilson.

Gay’s physical traits are dynamic, though. They are first-round.

I like the upside here. He may never be a play-calling MLB, but he offers an immediate upgrade on the weak side.

:LOL:

:thumb:

I can see the “Gay for Pay” comments coming in his contract year.

SB's forever, dude.

Any way we could condense the thread start posts so we don't have to scroll down so much?

The subtitles on Facebook aren’t working very well. The video of our pick has Goodell saying “The Kansas City Chiefs select really gay linebacker.” Lol

Reminds me of Chris Jones. Fell for different reasons, but would absolutely be first rd picks if they went back to school another year.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Brett Veach on Willie Gay Jr.: &quot;He ran faster than most of these secondary guys. If this guy comes back to school next year and plays a full season, you&#39;re looking at a 1st round pick.&quot;</p>&mdash; Nate Taylor (@ByNateTaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/ByNateTaylor/status/1253905709101649922?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 25, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

It seems like, and this may just be my perception based on a small sample size-but it seems to me that EVERY kid coming out of Mississippi State is raw and has discipline issues.

Like...it's an SEC school, so they attract good athletes, but don't particularly coach well or have a structured team environment.

They're always "inconsistent" and have some behavioral "red flags", or some fights, or positive drug tests or something. They're all "projects" who have great measurables but will need coaching to reach their potential.


Am I wrong? Does it just seem that way?

Fletcher Cox is probably the exception. He was pretty highly rated on everyone’s board.

From what Ive read, this is House and Spags guy they wanted for upgrade at Linebacker. If you are not "off base" with your concern, then I believe you are underpayed at your current occupation, and should get your name out there for teams that need Defensive Coordinators and Linebacker coaches. :-)

Always suspected you were a poor.

I love this ****ing pick!!!!!

Not at QB!

When I saw clips of him chasing down Kyler Murray I immediately thought we picked him to go against Lamar.

Total ****, terrible talent evaluator, hated by everyone....has anyone ever seen kccrow and Scott Pioli in the same room together?

Oh yeah, and I can see Deshaun Watson fumbling the ball as well... This kid gets after the QB in a hurry.

I actually thought the same things watching the Bama game. They are definitely concerns of mine as well. I will be interested to see how Spags uses him. His close out speed fits the scheme very well, but what I really like is the amount of ‘attitude’ Veach has added the last couple years. Defense needs that.

That's what all good LBers have.

No!

My defensive players who I had a crush on.

Young
Simmons
Murray
Queen
Gay

I do have to point out my offensive crush was Clyde Edwards-Helaire.

Yes, it’s been a great draft!

A lot of comparisons to Derrick Johnson being made by pundits and I’m not sure that is entirely fair.

Chiefs fans need to be patient with this guy. Remember how DJ’s career started? Pretty lacklustre, but Todd Haley was the guy who figured out which buttons to push.

Gay has superior athletic traits and measurables which likely allow him to see the field sooner than later. My concern with him him is his relevant experience and football IQ. Only a six game starter with the Bulldogs and a recurring knock on him in scouting reports is his inconsistent gap discipline along with a tendency to overrun plays.

The character questions do not bother me here - I trust Reid/Veach vet these guys well. For the sake of the young man I hope the fanbase is patient (not many were patient with DJ), because there is some boom/bust here. I take solace in the fact that the Chiefs are coached extremely well, and Spags/House will get this guy up to speed.

I keep wondering if Speaks is ever going to amount to anything. It'll sure be good to get Thornhill back. That guy is money.

To say that Alabama tape is concerning is ridiculous. He's not always sure where to be early on but as the game progresses his confidence builds and the dude just kills it. I saw a forced fumble, multiple open tackles, two sacks, and a PICK, oh against the #1 team in America.

GTFOH bro

Doubt it...dude's a fat lazy pos who should've never been drafted by KC.

:thumb::rockon::arrow::arrow::arrow::arrow::arrow::arrow::arrow::arrow:PBJ

ROFL

Athletic has a good article on this pick.

Seems like his character concerns are overblown. Was the hardest worker in practice even while suspended.

So I watched some more tape on this guy last night and confirmed a lot of what's been said about this kid. Yes, he sometimes takes bad angles, and yes, he doesn't use his hands enough to shed blockers, yes, he tends to aim too high when tackling, and yes, he sometimes is a little hesitant to pull the trigger and attack the ball, or he's over-aggressive and overruns the play.

But nearly all of that is probably due to lack of game snaps. Because when you watch him play, you can see that his instincts are generally good. When he does pull the trigger, he slips through blockers well and explodes on the ball carrier. His coverage skills are basically NFL-ready; unusual for a college LB, especially with so little actual game experience. He has a feel for zone coverage, which isn't easy for most LBs even at the NFL level. And he wraps up well; none of that "I don't have arms so I'm going to hit you with my shoulder and hope you fall over" crap. Finally, I really like his recognition skills. He deciphers plays very quickly.

But what really pops is that glorious speed. When he decides to go to the ball, his acceleration is elite. And I'm pretty sure his change-of-direction is also at an elite level. He's a true sideline-to sideline LB. Give him a season under Coach Spags/Daly/House and I think he'll smooth off most of those rough edges. It's a shame he won't get the benefit of OTAs and training camp; I think this kid could really benefit more than any of our picks. Man, is this kid going to be great to watch.

Gay reminds me a little of Ray Lewis, to be honest. He tackles a lot like him. Was thinking last night that it would be really great if Suggs returned, just to take this kid under his wing and coach him up on hand-fighting techniques, footwork, shedding blocks, etc.

Last guy we drafted from Mississippi State turned out to be pretty good, last I checked.

The pick was amazing. From an athleticism standpoint, that was a really tough grab. But also, his feel for coverage in that spot was really, really good. You just don't see many college LBs get themselves in the right spot to even have a chance at making a play right there most of the time.

If they were polished they would have been at Alabama and LSU. There's a reason why they were Bulldogs.

Spags will have specific packages for this kid day 1, can’t WAIT to see a legit burner play backer... he can run with just about any back or tight end

House and Spags had our ragtag group of slower LBs not completely sucking by midseason. Can't wait to see what they turn this freak into.

Jeffery Okudah 6.1 205 4.48
Willie Gay 6.1 243 4.46

Boom chakalaka !!!

A human missile at LB. Love it!

I think he will be a Ryan Shazier type of player for us, was always jealous of the speed and mean streak...

Okay so I was thinking about this last night and wanted to see what everyone else’s feelings on this were.

How would you compare Willie Gay Jr to Devin Bush?

Gay Jr
6’1” | 243 lbs | 32.58 arms | 10 1/2 hands
4.46 40 | 21 bench | 39.5 vert | 136 broad | 7.08 3 come | 4.3 20

Bush
5’11” | 234 lbs | 32 arms | 9 5/8 hands
4.43 40 | 21 bench | 40.5 vert | 124 broad | 6.93 3 cone | 4.23 20

I guess it’s what you prefer more. Bush has elite LB athleticism with a bit more talent in coverage while Gay Jr has above average athleticism but a bigger body to shed blocks and hold up against the run. Bush’s body looks close to maxed out. While Gay Jr is somewhat close to the same, he doesn’t need to get bigger when he’s 6’1” 243 lbs.

It’s hard finding players that athletic that are at or more than 240 lbs. And that’s why DJ is such a good comparison for him. They just seem so much alike as prospects.

With Spags I think this guy could be a faster version of Darius Leonard. I think he can make a big impact like him.

How is Gay’s athleticism “above average”, but Bush’s is “elite”?

Don't jinx him like that, brah.

He’s DJ and it’s crazy to me to see how similar the two are. Their measurables and metrics are damn near the same as well as their raw ability that needs refinement.

I can’t believe we got this guy at 63. I understand he had a violation and some off field stuff, but Daniel Jeremiah said that was overblown and every team he talked to had a draftable grade on him.

What’s funny about our draft is the more picks we had the bigger the possible steal is. CEH is a steal, but was drafted around the area he was projected. Gay Jr will be an even bigger steal if he is who we think he is. Niang could be the biggest steal of them all if in 3 years he’s a solid starting tackle.

This dude balled the **** out against Iowa in the bowl game last year:

https://youtu.be/tCHvJ0l0kjI

Had a pick 6 a few tackles and a sack. Must watch.

He will wear #50

https://i.imgur.com/rIWfQoB.jpg

Mahomo can you make yourself useful and please embed that video I posted?

I’m sorry but I don’t know how to embed YouTube videos. I only know twitter

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Thanks!

This guy is a badass mother****er that Matt House will turn into a stud:

https://mobile.twitter.com/barleyhop...89491323609091 https://mobile.twitter.com/ChiefinCa...83627554947074
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Willie Gay is gonna be a stud. I hope he brings some nastiness to our LB unit. Wilson Hitchens and Gay is a solid group of linebackers

Was Willie playing hurt/injured against Iowa? Looking at that vid and watching him, it seems like he is super slow or lackadaisical to getting to the ball when it's not in his immediate vicinity. In several situations it looks like he's barely moving above a jogging speed instead of racing to the ball and trying to make a tackle. Am I reading too much into this?

Yes, this is my first post. Been lurking for a long time, but since I hadn't seen any comments on this, I wanted some clarification.

Is he related to Marvin Gaye?

(I know what you're thinking, but Marvin's birth name was "Gay" not "Gaye".)

FAX

Is he related to Carl's Jr?

Nobody ever talks about Wilson but I love the way he hits. He thumps people like Berry used to do.

OMG

LMAO

You know I was thinking about this, does anyone think it's kinda ****ed up that all these guys have worked their entire lives for the moment of being drafted...

Then if you have any issues, the first thing they'll do is basically talk about what a ****head you are for the first 5 minutes of you being drafted. That seems kinda ****ed up for someone that may want to go back and see that moment later down the line.

Leaked footage of W.G.'s pro-day interview

https://media1.tenor.com/images/38e6...temid=14511302

I would say yes, you are overly reading into it. He had an interception (nearly a pick 6), had a 1/2 sack, and was used in coverage a ton. I thought he was one of the big reason why Hockenson had limited production through the first 3.5 quarters.

Also, that Miss St. defense was LOADED with talent. Would have loved to see what Gay would have done this past season after much of that defense went to the NFL.

we've got such a lead with mahomes over lamer j

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Gay with another example of &quot;Do Your Job PLUS&quot;.<br><br>Gets forward quickly to cover the A gap at the LoS. Good body control and hands to stay at half man while covering the gap -- keeping the front whole. When backside A is covered, RB bounces playside, and Gay sheds to make the TFL. <a href="https://t.co/NSk49CrLgv">pic.twitter.com/NSk49CrLgv</a></p>&mdash; Craig Stout (@barleyhop) <a href="https://twitter.com/barleyhop/status/1257039171623030784?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 3, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Willie Gay&#39;s fluidity and athleticism could help to unlock some of Spagnuolo&#39;s blitz schemes, knowing he&#39;s got range to cover for a blitzing LB.<br><br>MIKE is blitzing w/ SAM cin the flat. Gay moves laterally to cover the blitz w/ eyes in backfield. Jumps the route and houses it. <a href="https://t.co/3QalVzkDfF">pic.twitter.com/3QalVzkDfF</a></p>&mdash; Craig Stout (@barleyhop) <a href="https://twitter.com/barleyhop/status/1257035825310830593?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 3, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Willie was playing with two broken legs in that game. He also smoked a big blunt before kickoff because he was battling the Covid. I hope that brings some clarity to you. :thumb:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo said he expects second-round LB Willie Gay to start at one of the outside positions, filling the role Reggie Ragland filled last year. &quot;(Gay&#39;s) a violent hitter, which we love,&quot; Spags said.</p>&mdash; Matt Derrick (@mattderrick) <a href="https://twitter.com/mattderrick/status/1262827525132222465?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 19, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

He’s going to be a badass and a perfect fit with Tyrann, Clark, and Jones.

bonah! Get ya bonah, heeya!

I was kinda hoping he'd be in that middle spot to be honest and let Hitchens go back to the weakside.

Maybe that's how it eventually ends up, but I think you actually lose some of his athletic value having him at that strong side spot no?

It might be a reps thing. Could be easier for Spags to plug and play him in that spot compared to the middle of the field.

That may be his eventual spot but I doubt they will let him have it as a rookie since they like Hitchens as the guy that calls the defense.

I think that spot is a lot easier to ease a guy into and let him get used to the league. It's more of a "forward" and some sideways kinda spot it seems where the middle requires a lot more thinking.

I am just more of a throw a guy into the fire kinda guy at this point I think you learn more by doing and figuring out what works and what doesn't.

I’m pretty sure it will be Gay at WLB, Hitchens at MLB, and Wilson at SLB. Since they feel Wilson and Gay can play both maybe they switch it up a little though.

That'd be great. Hope he can get the mental part down. Also, Dan is, basically, a linebacker.