Is there a triple with Mahomes, Kelce & Hill?

That would be an awesome one to have. :thumb:

That's beautiful.

:eek:

So the market is for limited production one of one's?

Absolutely gorgeous cards, 1/10 and 4/10

Those mfers are worth BIG bucks, no doubt

Sweet!

This one is my best baby, an $800 or so card if it graded out right... and its perfectly centered without even a hint of dog ears on any corner

https://images.app.goo.gl/1aS1uN8aWXaoJCDK7

All of Mahomes cards look incredible.

I might be prejudiced though. :p

17' Prizm Sparkle or 17' Contenders Optic Auto?;)

So the Mahomes market has started to boom again... This sold last night 12/30.

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:eek: good grief, yeah its safe to say football cards are hot again

I don't see any bids on these, but What The ****?!?

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fro...HOMES&_sacat=0

Its temporary insanity, lol... but the auto and patch on some of these cards are so pretty and well done that I get it

The best thing about Mahomes cards, is that you're almost guaranteed a winning card... the value will never totally tank on a proven superstar QB like him

Zion williamson one of one logoman had a bounty on it for 500k

You could buy every rookie card for all the NBA HOFers for that. :doh!:

Kelce is exploding in value right now as well. I could say many products tripled in value the past week. Kelce base prizm rc's 2 weeks ago were averaging about $30. Now a great raw card goes for $80-100. Prizm and Select silvers are just raking in good cash. Color has crazy prices too.

Returns on sports cards are beating the stock market...

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My most expensive collectible:

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Way cool! Wondering if they have one with just Dawson and Mahomes?

Pretty sure they do

Some pretty interesting/big recent news in the sports card world. With the Covid fueled absolute explosion of high end sports cards in 2020, there are now establishments offering fractional ownership in high end collectibles (similar to BitCoin). If you're not sure what this is, I have included a link to an article below, but it basically allows you to purchase a small percentage of say a Mickey Mantle rookie card that normally runs for $60,000-$200,000 or even more. I have my reservations about this as I believe it will drive prices to levels that the casual collector cannot afford. I'll be interested to see if this takes off or falls flat on its face.

https://blog.dibbs.io/how-fractional...rts-card-game/

This seems crazy to me.

I generally do not buy cards purely as investments though, and if I did it damn sure would not be during an obvious spike driven by completely unrelated events. If I buy a specific card, it's because I like the looks of it and want it on the shelf or available to be. It might not even be the card others deem to be valuable or the rookie card everyone deems as the true rookie card, but it's the card I wanted to look at. They could fall to $2 and I really wouldn't care.

Owning 1/10 of some card in some other part of the globe just seems odd to me. There's no conversation to be had if a guest notices it. There's no "remember game X at the K when..." comment to be had. The emotional attachment to the game and the player is gone. Just seems boring to me.

I'd personally pass on having shared interest with a sports collectible, but to each their own.

IMO the best investment in sportscards is buying unopened products and holding it.

So, out of curiosity, is it someone else on this board bidding up L’Jarius Sneed Obsidians against me?

I have a bunch of 90's cards is boxes and some in a safe.

Are any of these worth anything today? How would I go about looking up their value if they are? I know in the 2000's they basically went to nothing in value outside of the very rare ones. I haven't looked at them in a decade.

I’d like to buy a few cards to hold onto, but I don’t know a safe place to buy them. Where would you guys recommend ? Also and players or cards you could recommend ?


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Found this sweet Derrick Johnson card yesterday, added to the collection. 99/99.

I have 5 Topps Chrome Travis Kelce RCs. All are Refractors and a couple are numbered. Should grade good and be worth a nice amount.

I have piles of them as well and sorted a few when this rally started. If they're not graded, they better be a special card and look mint. Last I checked the waiting list for grading was insane so it would mean paying the fee and waiting months before you know if you actually had something. I sold a couple cards "as is" to a local guy and felt lucky to get what I thought was good money.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Kansas-City...YAAOSwq85f6iZS

You guys ever do one of these online breaks? You bid on a team, the seller opens the packs/cases on a livestream, and you get any cards from the teams you won in auction.

Did one last night and got these for about $30 shipped. It's easy to get caught up in those bidding wars and not get much out of it... :banghead:

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I don't know about sports cards but I do know about MtG. MtG finance took off about a decade ago. Due to a couple of things. A newish format of play gaining massive popularity and an old format of play seeing a resurgence. Prices on cards that were promised to not be printed ever again spiked and it attracted investors. Some of it is silly in my opinion as some of those cards are junk and no one would realistically play with them. They are just super rare being from the earliest sets with much lower in comparison print runs.

Yeah I can't afford mahomes rookies outside of the one I have.

I was buying kelce and hills but those are going up as well. I did snag kelce one of one rookie though.

That Reek card is sweet looking, and I love the design of those Brilliance cards... really not a bad haul for $30 IMO

Just be aware you likely will not be able to recoup your value in money spent.

Buy what you want on ebay, or some other marketplace.

To give you any example. Recently I purchased and 2013 Prestige Green Extra Points Kelce RC auto to /25, 2019 Encased Superscribe Gold Kelce Auto to /10, 2013 New Generation Red Kelce RC to /250 for $150 for all

2020 Phoenix - Mahomes Silver, Mahomes Flame Throwers Purple to /149 and Silver Flame Throwers, Kelce Fire & Ice(Cracked Ice) to /50, Kelce Hot Routes to /149 and Silver Hot Routes all for a grand total of $10.

You can find great value on ebay. Sure sometimes it might be frustrating, but it can be very much worth it.

What's the best place to buy cards these days? When I was a kid, we'd buy them all from a local place in Olathe called Sports Cards & More on Harrison by the Go Chicken Go. Places like that don't really exist where I live now (or many other places these days?).

thems the breaks, kid.

$30 for what is most likely $6-7 in cards.

I hate that shit.

ebay

The only place in my entire town is Wally World, but the problem is they're almost always cleaned out, as in not a single box or pack for sale... the rumor is that the card distributor is cutting deals with card flippers (people just in it to make money) and telling them the day and time they're delivering product so those assholes can be right there and clean them up before anyone else gets a shot at them

Back in the 90's sports card stores were everywhere, but they're like finding a unicorn these days as far as I can tell

Seems like the best bet these days is to buy unopened boxes online, but even that scares me a little bit... theres so much money in it right now that I wouldn't put ANYTHING past people

As in going through the packs for the top cards, then resealing the box and individual packs

I love the hobby and will always buy cards, but not like in the 90's... too many of my best cards (cards supposedly worth $100 or better) from that era eventually tanked HARD and arent worth anything more than $5-20 these days

Are you more of a collector or flipper?

Its a free country, but it seems to me that some of what flippers do is ruining the hobby, just like over production did in the 90's

It doesn't help that we now have $1000 dollar boxes, either, taking away the opportunity for kids (and many adults) to have a shot at big money cards just kinda sucks the soul out the hobby IMO

I love autograph 8x10 pictures. That's my collection hobby.

Tracy Hackler with Panini addressed the retail issue recently and it sounds they are taking the issue seriously that may result in changes with how they demand their retail products be sold. He encourages people to report those retail supply issues with Panini directly. Find out who supplies the cards to Walmart from their manager. It will probably be a company like MJHolding or some such. Then make a complaint to Panini. I guess some people have been fired over it within the distributors. You can find what he says about it here. <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/7Zl1o7X-HCA?start=260" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

I agree on retail though. I hate adults who take every damn thing off the shelf. The price point of retail is meant for children to be able to afford the hobby. Then you have jackasses that come in and take every damn Prizm or whatever it may be blaster for $20 then turn around and put them up on ebay for 40-80. I have nothing against some one making a profit, but limits need to be set per purchase and times of distribution needs to be published so the look of impropriety is lessened.

Have you every thought of putting in a ebay search and see who is seliing retail items for profit in your area? You can search in a ebay search for listings close to you. It might help you find out if there are being flipped, or your days are off and just missing out. Might be wise to just state your case to your local walmart manager and maybe you can find out when the distributor delivers. My local walmart it is on Weds and Thurs and 11:30am.

I don't see how you can't be a collector without being a flipper. Sell the cards you don't want to buy the cards you want. If you make a little money a long the way. Nothing wrong with that. I PC Chiefs cards, everything else is pretty much for sale.

If by flipper you mean buying unopened retail product and selling for profit, then not really. I will buy a few blasters here and there, but is just for fun to open. All my unopened products are hobby, not retail.

Very insightful post, Sponge... watched a full 20 minutes of the video

Its incredible to me that we now have youtube channels devoted to this stuff, kinda mind blowing to be honest, didn't fully realize it was a nationwide racket problem until tonight... just goes to show how much money is at stake

Hackler came off like a dancing mobster trying to explain the issues away... "we're uhhh working on it, and uhhh we're getting there and its all about the kids and being fair, herp"

Rep for that video, learned plenty there... thanks for the education

The collectible market as a whole has taken off like a rocketship in the past 5 years. It's definitely a big boy game with big boy prices.

To give you some real insight how actual crazy it has become in the past few years. In 2017 I was buying 91-92 fleer basketball boxes for $3-5 bucks each here and there just to hang on to. Not many really. Now 91-92 basketball is the junkiest of junk wax basketball so take that into account. I think the boxes sell for 80-100 now each.

Yeah my Walmarts and Targets don't have shit for sports cards. Only bullshit like Yu-gi-oh and Pokemon type of stuff. The only sports cards I see are these giant packs of "random assortments" of what I'm sure is crapola.

In the 90s I collected mainly basketball cards. I have a metric ton of Shaq and Penny rookies and cards from that era. A few Jordans that aren't worth much. But my all time favorites were the Fleer Ultra X-Men cards. I wasn't even really into comics but I got to collecting those and they're just beautiful cards. I still have nearly the whole set.

I like this idea and only have a few, but would like more. Where do you purchase these?

Just like sportscards. Ebay.

Ebay dominates the sports collectible marketplace.

Ebay but have to be careful. If you want true authentic Sports Memorabilia.com but prices are higher. Depends what you want and can live with.

We've got a new record sale of a Mahomes rookie. The card below sold tonight in the latest Goldin auction.

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Just thought I'd throw in a small win for me. A card autographed by Kobe, Lebron, and Jordan, not exactly the same, but similar to mine and graded a BGS 6 sold for almost $149k....mine is a BGS 9. I'm seriously thinking about moving mine. I had no clue when I bought it in 2013, that it would be able to completely get me out of debt in just 7 years.

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geez, and here I thought I was doing good with my prizm Mahomes rookie. Man, 861K?

I just don't understand the giant upswing in all things sports card. Even junk wax stuff is bringing coin.

He is lying out his ass. They are pissed because they are not getting any of the cut.

Panini sells vast quantity to resellers off their website. They do not stop botters or limit most sales. They also price most of the market out directly.

Topps or upper deck need to be allowed to make football and see if we get better prices

There is a sports card warehouse in liberty that doesn't try and rip you off like some cards store. He is always cheaper than other places I have visited. He also just got a bunch of mahomes rookies. But most are already graded. Probably 4 figures for those each.

Holy shit!

Its gotten so ****ing bad around here its insane, you absolutely CANNOT find any cards at all... the only way I can get any cards, is to drive 30 miles to a little place that only sells the top drawer stuff that sells for a MINIMUM of $700 a box

Its so bad that I'm considering setting up a fake card store account with Panini so I can order factory direct... I absolutely hate these gangsters ruining the hobby, mother**** Panini

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Exhibit A of everything wrong with this hobby... its a gangster racket between these shitass flippers inflating the market, and Panini

The market stranglehold Panini has must be broken

Jesus Christ! I would never even consider spending that kind of $$$$$ on a damn football card! So many other items to purchase for way less and probably better. Wow!

Consider game worn items like cleats, jerseys or footballs.

I'd sell that thing now while Kobes on everyone's mind. Mind posting a pic of yours? Do you know the pop of your card? Id go through an auction house with it if you decide to sell. Lots of sketchy shit people can do on eBay. I bet you could get 200k easy.

Exactly

This guy has made a career out of a hobby.

The main drawback to mine is that the autos are sticker autos, however, as crazy as shit is right now, that doesn't matter as much as it once did. There is another one with this same grade listed in PWCC's vault right now for $550,000. I've already reached out to Ken Goldin to see how the process works (how much is his cut, how do I go about getting the card to him, etc.)

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I would drive and hand deliver.

You could probably get more than the other value. Kobe is skyrocketing and MJ doesn't sign now unless upper deck I believe. Panini has the current contract. Shit depending on right factors you could have almost a million bucks.

Best of luck to you.

All I have left is most of a 1989 Fleer baseball set. Still have 6 mint Bill Ripken FF cards. Sold a shitload in 1990.

Been a while since I watched that but I didn't sense any dishonesty. Your insinuation that he is lying about being upset about missing out on retail sales just doesn't make sense to me. If they are worried about missing out on retail or resale profit they could easily raise the the prices of their products on retail shelves. Which they really haven't in years. A blaster is still around $20. A Hanger is around $10. Fat packs about $5.

Panini does sell off their website. Better be quick, or forget it on hot products. What is exactly wrong with that? What pisses me off most about Panini is their redemption bullshit. I have some redemptions that have not been fulfilled going on 4+ years. And points? Who the **** wants those?

I agree, Topps and Upper Deck should make football. Even though it would further saturate and devalue the market somewhat. But on the other end of that Panini needs to be allowed to have MLB logos, team names, autograph rights. Which means Topps and UD needs to drop their exclusive contracts as well if they were allowed produce football.

Panini isn't they only dog in the house with exclusive contracts.

Not going to happen.

It's crazy how hard it is to find retail. I thought it was due to the Coronavirus, but then I remember how hard it was to get 2018 NFL and 2019 NBA prizm. Prizm is easily the most highly sought after set of cards. Since the Coronavirus hit its been damn near impossible to find anything that is NFL or NBA.

A few weeks ago I walked into a Walmart and went to the card section and saw it completely stocked with NFL Prizm and NFL Mosaic. I was sick because I wanted to buy every single thing they had there, but was short on cash, but got paid the next day. We were there until like 1030 and they closed at 11, so I figured if I was able to get up early enough to get to that Walmart right after they opened I would be able to get all of them. The Walmart was an hour and a half away, so we leave the next morning and get to Walmart at about 8 am and not a single ****ing pack was left. Like wtf? I bet they had damn near 20 Prizm blasters, 20 hanger boxes, and 20 cello packs and that doesn't even include the 20 or so Mosaic cellos.

How the **** is that all gone in a matter of a couple of hours? I wonder if there are workers buying them up to make some money on them or if they have people come in the store and offer them money if they let them know when they are stocked? Something fishy is going on with distributers and/or workers.

Yep, basketball started having issues a year or 2 prior to everything else. I think coronavirus has caused some issues, but I also think that basketball is just insanely popular in asia and that drives it with the added insanity of all us junk wax era kids finally having a bit of money to spend.

Supplies like top loaders, team/one-touch/graded card bags and sleeves are always a wait when ordering in bulk. My last bulk order with BCW from 2 months ago still hasn't shipped and is still on back order. Supplies are a racket right now as well.

That sucks about all those prizm blasters. If you can't pick them up when you see them, then they will be gone when you come back without a doubt. It could very well be workers. I am sure that some of them collect as well. But more than likely someone, or a few wjo know when the distributor stocks. You gotta find out when they stock. Maybe a front end manager would know.

I went into walmart 2 weeks ago, hoping against hope they'd have a box or two

As I approach the aisle I see a guy standing there with a small cart, and two other guys standing nearby... so I asked the guy with the cart if he was the card distributor

"Yep thats me"

"Bring any football cards today?"

"Nope not today"

"I've been coming in here all spring, summer and fall, and have only scored two $20 boxes and a $5 pack in all that time, what the hell is going on?"

- he gives me a sheepish look -

"Well I just bring in what they send me"

Then these two ****faces standing there with him chime in wanting to come to his defense, both bearded in their late 20's - early 30's

"Yeah hey its rough out there, I know guys who'll sit in the parking lot for 7-8 hours waiting for the distributor blah blah blah, yeah retail is tough but the secondary market is booming blah blah blah"

The secondary market tripped the trigger, so I started ranting about flippers and how they're ruining the ****ing hobby for EVERYONE... they kinda start looking sheepish themselves, averting their gaze and looking around, and the distributor is staying dead silent

So I look down into these two guys hands, and wouldn't you know they're both loaded the hell down with Magic Gathering and Pokemon cards, thats when it clicked what I was seeing... these 30 year old pieces of shit were flippers, in there buying everything up they could make money on, not because they're into that goofy ass kid stuff hobby, but solely to make money on flipping in the "secondary market" their shitasses love so much

If I'm unable to buy directly from Panini, its gonna be go time with customer service at wally world... they need to institute 2 box per customer rules, or something

I don't know the resale value of Magic or Pokemon, but I can't imagine there is any real money being made flipping that type of retail after all fees. But I don't ever buy that so who knows. I just know Pokemon and Magic cards are in abundance in my local walmarts and the sportscards are always gone. Maybe a Archive baseball or some other wasteful low end product that you will never get any real value out of.

I told you this once before. Buy raw, buy on ebay, and buy the exact cards you want. I can guarantee you without hesitation the $20 you can spend on ebay buying raw cards you want will have more value and you don't have to waste the time opening packs. I've spent about $400-450 on cards since November. That is about the same as buying 20 retail blasters. Here is what I have bought rather than a shit ton of low value and common cards in retail..

2019 Encased Kelce Superscribe Auto /10
2013 Prestige Kelce Green Extra Point RC Auto /25
2013 Limited Kelce RC /299
2013 Elite Kelce RC /899
2013 Topps Chrome Kelce RC Blue Wave Parallel
2013 Certified Kelce New Generation red Foil RC /250
2020 Spectra Kelce /75
2020 Spectra Kelce /35
2018 Origins Kelce FOTL Purple /13
2015 Topps Chrome Kelce X-Fractor
2019 Panini Kelce Player of the day foil
2017 Phoenix Kelce Base
2017 Phoenix Kelce Pink /199
2018 Phoenix Kelce Unmatched Insert /299
2019 Phoenix Kelce Green parallel /25
2019 Phoenix Kelce Orange /99
2019 Phoenix Kelce Red /299
2019 Phoenix Kelce Catching Fire Insert Green /25
2019 Phoenix Kelce Catching Fire Insert Blue /35
2019 Phoenix Kelce Catching Fire Insert Yellow /75
2019 Phoenix Kelce Catching Fire Insert Purple /149
2019 Phoenix Kelce Catching Fire Insert Pink /199
2020 Phoenix Kelce Silver Base
2020 Phoenix Kelce Color Blast parallel
2020 Phoenix Kelce Fanatics Parallel x15
2020 Phoenix Kelce Red Parallel /299 x2
2020 Phoenix Kelce Pink /199
2020 Phoenix Kelce Teal /175
2020 Phoenix Kelce Purple /149
2020 Phoenix Kelce Orange /99
2020 Phoenix Kelce Yellow / 75
2020 Phoenix Kelce Fire & Ice "Cracked Ice" /50 x2
2020 Phoenix Kelce Green /25
2020 Phoenix Kelce Hot Routes Black /10
2020 Phoenix Kelce Hot Routes Green /25
2020 Phoenix Kelce Hot Routes Yellow /75
2020 Phoenix Kelce Hot Routes Purple /149
2020 Phoenix Kelce Hot Routes Pink /199
2020 Phoenix Kelce Hot Routes Red /299
2020 Phoenix Kelce Hot Routes Silver
2020 Prizm Kelce Green Parallel
2020 Prizm Kelce Red White & Blue
2020 Prizm Kelce Orange Lazer
2020 Prizm Kelce Orange Disco
2019 Prizm Kelce Red White & Blue
2019 Prizm Kelce Hyper /175
2018 Prizm Kelce Purple Power /49
2018 Prizm Kelce Lime Green Pulsar
2020 Prizm Draft Picks Kelce Silver parallel
2020 Prizm Draft Picks Kelce Blue
2020 Prizm Draft Picks Kelce Green
2020 Prizm Draft Picks Kelce Red
2020 Prizm Draft Picks Kelce Orange
2020 Prizm Draft Picks Kelce Purple
2020 Prizm Draft Picks Kelce Blue Wave /299
2020 Prizm Draft Picks Kelce Green Yellow /249
2020 Prizm Draft Picks Kelce Green Purple /199
2020 Prizm Draft Picks Kelce Red White Blue /99
2017 Select Kelce Premier Silver
2018 Select Kelce Concourse Dragon scale /88
2020 Mosiac Kelce Pink Camo
2020 Mosiac Kelce Green
2020 Mosiac Kelce Reactive Orange
2020 Mosiac Kelce Reactive Blue
2020 Phoenix Mahomes Base
2020 Phoenix Mahomes Silver
2020 Phoenix Mahomes Flame Throwers Silver
2020 Phoenix Mahomes Flame Throwers Purple /149
2020 Phoenix Mahomes Flame Throwers Teal /175
2016 Phoenix Tyreek Hill RC Pink Parallel /299
2016 Certified Tyreek Hill RC /999
2018 Spectra Tyreek Hell Catalysts Blue Disco Relic /99
2020 Elite Tyreek Red Foil /90
2020 Phoenix Tyreek Hot Routes Purple /149
2020 Phoenix Tyreek Hot Routes Red /299
2020 Illusions Clyde Starlight parallel
2020 Phoenix Clyde RC Purple /149
2020 Prizm Clyde RC Silver Disco Reverse Negative
2020 Certified Mecole Fabric of the Game relic /299
and a few Willie Gay RC's

You can't beat that list paying the same price in retail packs or boxes. It takes time and effort. But the hassle and frustration is 100% less. Notice the vast majority of those cards are all numbered. Try that with retail and it will never happen. My best pull from retail was a Topps 1/1 RC Printing plate of Jeff McNeil :whackit:

Your input is always insightful, Sponge

Yeah as basically a singles/what looks cool collector, I dig your style of custom ordering what you want off ebay... it takes all the random luck out of it, and gets you exactly what you want

At the same time, that random luck is in many ways the appeal of it all to begin with... everyone from 8 year olds like I used to be, to 50 year olds today just want a shot at Willy Wonka's Golden Ticket

I've built a singles collection I'd dive into a house fire to save, just randomly collecting whenever possible

Anyway, I have no problems with someone like you... you are clearly a collector who enjoys the hobby and maybe flip ones you don't want or whatever, you're not the problem

But these assholes trying to make a killing off it, and their Panini enablers need to DIE

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Still got that McNeil and wanna sell?

Blue sharpie ink tends to fade if it's not from a brand new pen. I've had autographs in blue sharpies that have faded to almost nothing.

My point is the dishonesty is him and panini being pissed at what is happening in retail. They do the exact same thing off their website in their direct sales.
They do not block botters, they allow card breakers and mass resellers to buy most of the cards. Then some cases they sell at 27k a box. Dutch auctions starting at 750 a case for a case worth 200. When they finally do a normal sell so many botters and mass resellers flood the system no normal person gets a chance. They also trunk off phone sales during those deals. This is the equivalent of wall street being pissed at reddit wall street bets. They are mad normal people are using the same strategy and making money.

What is happening from talking to people at walmart and target.
1. People follow the company stocking the cards. They give a kickback in certain instances.
2. Employees buy most of the product.
3. Random people buy most of the product.

Target and a few walmarts say you can only buy two items, so people go through self checkout. Until panini who owns the market for football and basketball starts allowing normal people a shot directly it is a moot point. Block the resellers and card breakers from getting so much quantity.

As for redemptions, don't they expire after 3 years?

I keep mine in the dark. How do you keep yours?

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Bit coin millionaires spending a stupid amount of money on cards now. Insanity.