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Veach's '21 Offseason Plan to Keep Us Thriving: Let's speculate
(https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=336980)
I don't see how the 1st rounder can be anything besides OL. I would be in favor of a modest trade up to get one if necessary. LDT wasn't great before opting out, Niang is a total mystery, both tackles may never be back to their old selves physically, and the interior is a dumpster fire.
It doesn't matter who the WRs are if Mahomes is injured. |
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If we draft an OL with our first pick, don't go screaming bloody hell some of you......you know who you are. :LOL:
(2) OL (1) WR tall and strong (1) Pass rusher (1) LB (1) TE (1) Punter That's my wish list |
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I trust Veach’s eye for talent. Might help someone drop to us who would’ve jumped up the board. Veach clearly considers what guys do the year before they come out. Isn’t that basically how we got Sneed and Danna? Weren’t both better the year before they came out? |
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It’s the same reason we got guys like Danna, Sneed, and Wharton last year. |
Who could we sign in FA for LT that would be both affordable and play well enough as a stop gap for Fisher?
What round could we find a starting Center in this draft? |
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We talk about the need to invest at OL and unanimously agree I think.
But a forgotten investment (maybe for good reason, idk), is Rankin. He was the 80th overall pick just a few years back by Houston and played at a seemingly solid level when starting at guard in 2019. Maybe another offseason removed from injury, he can provide starting competition and depth at minimum for the guard spot. |
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There is no guarantee that a first round OL will be a world-beater, but the same can be said of every other position. No WR or DE will help prevent Mahomes from having his dick knocked into the dirt. |
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He’s a 1st round talent and as good as any guy we can draft at 31 when healthy. Dude was nails against Young/Bosa and looks to be healthy and working out. I think he’s going to start at RT and surprise some people. |
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Those 4 are guys I'm personally kind of targeting, which of course means nothing at all. In Veach I trust, but I think at least a couple of those guys will be there at #64 and I'd be really surprised if we don't grab one. Personally, I'm more on the DE in round one train as I think a legit pass rush threat opposite Clark would make that line a dominant one and the defense into a top 5 type defense. |
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But I won't be mad if we do it in the first. Then I'll want a DE in the second. |
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As for Eichenbeg, I think he’s a LT for a power running scheme, but if you’re drafting him for the Chiefs, Niang projects better to LT. In other words, if they’re taking him at 31 it’s to play RT only. |
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What if they don't draft one at all? |
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I think there's a large contingent that aren't sold on drafting an OL high, myself included, but would be fine if they did. I think there's a large contingent however, that are going to be very upset if they don't. |
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All good will with Andy and Veach is gone if they don't address the offensive line exactly the way you want? |
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I think we have a HUGE advantage. Front office in place, scouting in place, offensive and defensive coaches and systems in place, no questions about what sort of player attributes we're looking for and how they would fit going forward. The teams with brand new GM's and coaches are at a big disadvantage. I mean, their whole organizations are in disarray and can't rely as much on the combine. Along with a weird plague year which makes player evaluations dodgy. I think we're in a really good spot, and it seems to be a deep and talented draft in positions where we have needs. |
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Remmers and Wylie, even if they’re starting, won’t be our bookends. I can tell you that much. That’s the only time they were even that big of an issue. Again, that’s why you can’t overreact to one game. It was a patchwork OL, and our starting OL in 2021 will look very different and even that one won’t be final once Fisher returns. They’ll sign a couple guys and likely draft a couple too. But they don’t HAVE to take 1 in the first 2 picks. |
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If it somehow does, it would indicate that they're going to seek help in FA. I don't see how they can afford to do that, but in Veach I trust. I don't think there's any way in hell they don't address the offensive line problems in a meaningful way. I think it's suicidal to not protect the leagues best and most valuable player. |
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I think the fact that we have struggled to run the ball consistently since Morse left is apparent. I think it really shows up in the red zone and in short yardage situations. Yes, Reid often schemes around it; the point is, we shouldn't have to. Mahomes can cover a lot of sins, that's true, but we've seen that strong front fours can give us problems. I don't want Mahomes taking that kind of abuse and I think it's irresponsible not to address it. I also think that if we could actually run the ball effectively, making better use of LAST YEAR'S number one pick, we could force defenses to play honest; and if they do that, we might never punt. |
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Even in the midst of Kareem's 2017 league-leading season, he had 3 or 4 games where he didn't even get 10 carries. Andy Reid doesn't run the ball like a normal coach. It's part of who he is. I think they'll work to improve the blocking, especially the pass blocking, but I don't expect special emphasis on the running game. |
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Needless to say, we obviously need to be better up front, and I imagine we will be. |
I'd like to hear what Staylor and Htismaqe actually advocate in regards to the OL.
It's easy to just shoot down every idea. What's your plan? |
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That we need to forget about every other position high in the draft and take an OL. I simply don't agree. It's not that I don't want them to draft an OL high. It's that I want them to take the BEST player for the Chiefs, period. If that's an OT, great. If that's a WR, I want them to take a WR and there's a lot of people here that would have a coronary if they passed on a lesser OT to take a better WR prospect. In the end, I don't really HAVE a plan. I trust Veach and Reid implicitly. I trust them to address the issues the best way THEY know how. The rest of it is just discussion board stuff. |
This is just my opinion but the people that say we need to draft 4-5 offensive linemen have no idea how Reid runs this team. They aren’t drafting that many and even if they draft a couple....there is no guarantee they are starting right away.
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I’m not against drafting an OT in the 1st. I’m not even against going OT in the 1st and IOL on day 2. I just don’t think we absolutely have to either. If the Chiefs get better at DE and WR, they will be a better team and there could still be improvement on the OL. |
When it comes to "my" plan, this was my first post in this thread, about 26 hours ago or so.
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Mahomes has been injured a lot in the past two years. Can’t let that continue. Some of that is on him. The running around is all great and dandy, but he needs to be on the field.
Win from the pocket and do that stuff secondarily. But you’ve gotta invest some resources and get better on the OL. Be it draft or free agency or whatever. Throwing latw round picks at it isn’t gonna cut it. |
I know this probably won't happen, but I've hoped for a while that not only would they address the OL more, but also change the type of OL they go after. Signing Osemele gave me some hope that they were going to start going after bigger/stronger OL, particularly on the interior. I'm not sure that's necessarily the case though and I don't think you can read too much into one FA signing. It's pretty clear that when you're relying on late round picks you probably have to pick someone who might be good at one thing over other areas and they've focused more on the athletic types who are generally better at pass blocking and can get out in space. But I really wish they could at some point start to find some bigger OL to get more push in short yardage. I know that's not really the type of OL Reid likes and it's probably just wishful thinking, but I can at least dream of the type of OL that could not only protect Mahomes but also make the short yardage run game more deadly.
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Until the draft board solidifies more, it's not really any more than a shot in the dark. And the same really could be said about FA - it doesn't even start for another month. Positional rankings are all over the place, especially after the top 15. A lot of what *I* would do if I were GM relies on how the board lays out and who is likely to be available. Again, I stick to my board. I don't target positions without knowing who is there. |
There are too many question marks on the OL to have any idea where to start with a plan.
I’d rather just wait and see it all unfold and continue to have OT and IOL high on my list of needs. |
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It's a deep and talented OT draft by all accounts, and it would seem unwise not to take advantage of that when we have a clear and present need. We don't have a ton of money, and we can't go into 2021 with what we lined up with Sunday. I mean we can agree there right? So who are we going to sign in FA? Where's the money come from? We're over the cap by a lot. LDT doesn't help your OT situation. Niang will, hopefully, but I don't think it's smart to call that a done deal. I want another pass rusher. I agree that we need to develop another WR although I disagree that any draftee starts day one. And we need to be better up front. I mean, I don't think that's an unreasonable take. |
I know one thing, if there’s any way that the Eagles cut Kelce, I’m almost certain he will be a Chief.
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The problem is we need a few dudes at spots that usually get taken up pretty early in the draft. So everyone needs to start readying for a player that may not be ideal no flaws type dude.
When you’re as good as kc is every year that’s what’s gonna happen. If they get something done financially to free up some space I wouldn’t be surprised to see them go look to trade 31 for a player. |
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What I ultimately want is a strategic, planned approach to the offseason. Don't panic. And a lot of the sentiment here seems to be born of that very thing - panic. Or at least disgust. Which isn't a good way to build a team. |
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If depending what they do with fisher is gonna make all the difference here. If they’re done with him, you could put niang at rt (or LT would be my preference) and either trade for a rt or LT woth 31 and boom your line is set up |
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There's no reason to take an OT high if you don't think he can contribute SIGNIFICANTLY day 1. If he can't do that, there's no reason to pick him because that's the glaring need. |
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Kelce likely isn't available. |
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That sounds great though. I’ve already said that I think Niang will start at RT. Those are the only 2 of the 3 question marks I feel comfortably guessing on. Along with them letting Reiter walk. |
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Which is why I wouldn’t be upset trading that late first |
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I'd love it, strictly from a business standpoint, if they could just cut ties with Fisher and his salary and move on. Draft an OT in the first and set yourself up for the future. I absolutely do not think they will do that. I think they'll hang on to Fisher. He was their 1st pick and the #1 overall. They're going to err on the side of caution, I believe. |
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DE and corners and such taken that late just seem to take a bit |
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My thoughts too are you’re coming off a 3 year stretch where you just kicked everyone’s ass and won a sb, went to another. If they have to get the house in order a bit it is what it is.
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There are DE’s and WR’s that could be available that I could see contributing year 1. There are also some T’s. |
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But step in and be of Schwartz or fishers caliber immediately could be a stretch. Which is fine, but people need to adjust expectations a bit. Not necessarily any of you guys in particular |
Chris Jones
Travis Kelce Tyreek Hill Juan Thornhill CEH Even Mecole was an immediate contributor. It doesn’t matter where you pick in the first round. There’s going to be ready made quality players available to do something day 1 |
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They just have to be better than Remmers and Wylie. |
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The Chiefs can absolutely get a day one difference making player at 31. And 63.
Just because they aren’t a finished product their rookie year doesn’t mean they aren’t going to be an upgrade over who played the position in 2020. We can easily upgrade with a quality talent at 31 over OT (Remmers), DE (Okafor/Kpassagnon), or even WR2 considering Watkins was useless this season. |
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CEH was a day 1 starter, picked 32nd. Juan Thornhill was a day 1 starter, picked 63rd. Chris Jones, 37th. Marcus Peters, 18th. Mitch Morse, 49th. Travis Kelce, 63rd. They haven't picked high since the first year Andy was here and this team has done pretty well. I don't think it's that big of a problem. |
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Thornhill might become that type of guy too. He was on track to be pretty special in 2019. |
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If upgrading over those dudes is the bar absolutely we can get that.
I’m just saying, say, the de we take thetr isn’t likely to have the immediate impact of a guy taken in the top 5 or whatever. It’s ok, it’s just normal. |
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I think you're overstating it a bit. |
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