They should see if there is any value in the trade market for him. I think they force-fed him to try to build a rapport with Mahomes and it largely failed. I think he's too valuable to cut but I don't think it will ever work here with him and Mahomes.

I feel pretty comfortable knowing if it really is a need Veach will take action, either now or before the trade deadline.

Could see guys like Cooks, maybe Gallup from Dallas etc

After 2 pre season games? FFS.

Basing off of preseason alone , Pringle looks solid.

Whether or not Hardman is a valid #2 wr makes no difference to me the value he brings is being a playmaker. That means he can flip the script at any time in a game and hit a home run or make a special play that is his role he is just a ****ing play maker. Get over him being a ,#2 WR who gives a flying **** if he makes plays for us.



Also Patrick and Mecole will develope chemistry together just ****ing relax people.

What was weird to me was the Hardman catch was alreay camera'd up on the big screen from the endzone. I was watching the big screen when it happened and saw it clearly.

I was on the Cards side and they loved it too. Phoenix peeps are super cool like that.

Some truth here, but the Chiefs need a dependable #2 WR who can be counted on in the event Hill and Kelce are covered. Verch and Reid know this, which was why the Chiefs targeted Ju Ju, and others, in free agency.

Well if they are being covered then we probably just picked up 8 yards on a play for CEH I mean once this offense gets going pick your poison who to stop.

Lmao at the dweebs deciding Hardman sucks after 2 preseason games. God damn some of you are dumb.

He doesn't "suck". He just look like a gadget player. He for damn sure doesn't look like a reliable #2 WR.

Btw, he's played 2 years before these 2 preseason game. He had the same chemistry issues with Mahomes.

I don't even know how you can deny him and Mahomes have issues.

Ding, ding, ding - we have a winner. It's not 2 preseason games, it's that he hasn't taken that next step to be a reliable #2 in 2 years. He didn't make the most out of Watkins time off, his routes are still sloppy. I don't know if there are "issues" with PMII, but if he wants a big payday soon, he better get those ironed out.

Tyreeks path was unique.

Very few WRs get significantly better at route running from college to the pros.

Hardman is a nice gadget/special teams player.

Don't expect more.

Tyreeks path was unique.

Very few WRs get significantly better at route running from college to the pros.

Hardman is a nice gadget/special teams player.

Don't expect more.

It's been 3 years, yes it's time to call him out

Trying to think of a comparable for Hardman. Tavon Austin is first player that came to mind. Gadget type that never really done much as a WR

Mahomes looked annoyed with Hardman last night and I don't like it. He also is probably annoyed with not throwing a td in the pre season.

This

I don’t care if Hardman makes the team or not, but last night was more on Mahomes. He was throwing high on a lot of the plays. I’d like to see a younger WR step up and make the team and hopefully have better chemistry with Patrick, but only Andy knows exactly what he’s looking for.

Yup. In mahomes' short career, how many players do you remember him being annoyed with like this. It's not even just being on the wrong page. In many cases Hardman is flat out in the wrong place. And nobody else is doing this. Even DRob for all his shortcomings is usually in the right place.

Exactly. It’s been 6 preseason games, 32 regular season games and 6 playoff games. When he’s on he’s great, but when he’s off he just seems like he’s more of a liability to the team. We got extremely lucky to get a super fast WR like Tyreek that’s actually turned out to be an excellent all around receiver. A lot of the players with that type of speed end up being gadget players and don’t last that long in the league.

Guess it depends what you expect Hardman to be. Think he's a decent enough third receiver, which is what he'll be. I don't think he's more than that, and that's probably fine. You'd probably want him to be a step above Pringle and it's not obvious he is. It's probably partly a frustration with seeing those players picked after him - but hindsight is 20/20

The frustrating thing with him feels like consistency. He makes a chunk play then does something dumb. I don't think it was all on him against the Cards but agree with those saying it's really not clicking with Mahomes at this point.

Hardman is an inconsistent player but he always has been. He’s never going to be another Hill. At this point he’s a third year player who’s played all that time in an offense that does him a lot of favors. We know who he is at this point and it’s unlikely he suddenly becomes a world beater.

Yep. I think the offense is best if he stays in the gadget role. Don't try to fit a square peg into a round hole.

He had one against Oakland, one against the Ravens, and one against NE in 2019. Arguably had another against the Ravens in 2020.

But as you said, few and far between and once teams adjusted to him, he hasn't been able to adapt.

Ah yeah - I am just having a mental block.

If he gets right he could be much more dangerous with those types of plays. It would be nice to have that on the field more.

Absolutely this

If they see it as a genuine problem, we know Veach won’t hesitate to make changes

I think we'd feel a little different about Hardman this morning had Patrick not missed on his no-look pass last night. Hardman had a full step on his man on the left side of the end zone. A little better ball from Patrick woulda scored a TD in the back of the as well.

I do believe they're not as far off as we think. Although the 'not being on the same page' aspect did resurface again last night. Can can only hope that's not permanent. I do believe Patrick believes in Hardman but obviously not to the full extent of Kelce and Cheetah.

How long has he been here again….

I would not feel any different. This has been happening for 2 years. One good play does not erase the fact that the qb, who is crazy smart and has no chemistry issues with anyone else on the team, seems to have no idea what Hardman is going to do at least a handful of times per game.

Mahomes barely acts this way to anyone else. It is clear frustration. Drob, for all his issues, is usually really good at being right where mahomes wants him to be. That's why he's always open.

I think once our season unfolds and our offense is clicking and people will be like wow look what Hardman did but then look at what this other guy did. Our offensive line is key to getting our guys able run proper routes so that Patrick feels comfortable in the pocket. Obviously he was not comfortable last year in the pocket because he had no pocket. So we have a lot of players that can step it up our offense is loaded. Hardman will get opportunities to make plays and if he takes advantage of those opportunities then y'all need quit yet bitched if we are winning that's all we need to do.

If he doesn't take advantage of his opportunities then by all means he will deserve what he gets but I don't think he deserves all this ridicule just yet going into his third season that everyone says takes three years to get acclimated to Andy Reid offense.

Mecole has made some outstanding plays and yes he needs to be more consistent but that's why even the Honey Badger said he worked with him on OTAs and Mecole sought him out to do so.

I think there are going be people eating crow.


I remember a game Hardman made a mistake and Patricl went right to Mecole and told him he was going go right back to him and Mecole made a big play. They have chemistry you all just see what you want to see.

Did you mean two years to get his shit together?

This is a dumb ass ****ing post. Maybe he doesn't get his shit together (?) I'm no expert but it's been said many of times that it takes 3 years for WR to get going in an Andy Reid offense and this is going be his third year. Mind you last year they had no OTAs and this year Mecole called out the Honey Badger during OTAs to work on his game. Maybe/maybe not he will be good this year its only going be up to how the season unfolds to find out. In the two years with Mecole Hardman we won two AFC Championships and a Super Bowl and probably could have won LV had we had an offensive line to give Mahomes time to get guys the ball.

If he sucks this year pat yourself on the back and tell me "told ya so" That's all you want to do is to have those ah ha moments "i was right he sucks because he dropped a ball" Even though he may have had several other big time plays in a previous game or any other game.


Where was Tyreek in the Super Bowl or any other WR why is Mecole singled out ? The offensive line was trash there was no chemistry because Patrick was running for his life. Also Andy Reid didn't make adjustments to help protect Patrick in the game.


I'm looking forward to watching Mecole Hardman score some touchdowns and help contribute to winning some ball games. Everyone else that isn't down with it can "Suck it"

Booooom.

Ok let's talk about this "chemistry" you experts keep talking about, well I don't have to talk about it but I can show you this clip after a Mecole muffed punt that led to a Bills TD in the AFC Championship.


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Patrick called out Mecole to make a play and Mecole responded with a jet sweep and WR screen for a Touchdown.


So he helped propel us into SB LV.

That was balls by Mecole Hardman and Patrick knew he had it in him so the all this talk about no chemistry is just people talking out their ass.

But this is the problem.

You're referring to the AFC Championship Game. Hardman fumbled a punt in the red zone that led to an easy Bills score. Mahomes then went back to him with a quick screen for a TD and a jet sweep that went for big yardage.

No one doubts that Hardman has talent and speed and can be a real contributor. It's just his inability to get on the same page with Mahomes **as a non-gadget receiver** that has been extremely frustrating.

And I think that's the outstanding issue for many here, including myself. It's not that I hate Hardman or think he sucks. I'm just disappointed he and Mahomes haven't been able to develop better chemistry and Hardman has consistently seemed to play with a low football IQ. I hope to death that changes this year, but I haven't seen anything yet in these two preseason games to offer a great deal of confidence.

There's just growing frustration and I hope I'm wrong.

Veech will get Mahomes a legit #2...he tried with JuJu Smith-Schuster.

He had to fix the O-line first...Hardman is a #3. They will get one next season...

Shit, the Chiefs lost both starting tackles this year...priorities.

As far as the Arizona game, he was not the number 2, he was playing the Tyreek role as the number one. All he did was prove that he's not a number 1 WR, which we all knew. Once the O is at full strength, he'll get his as usual. He's not Tyreek. Duh.

Yeah, chemistry had to be just right for this pass to work.





Wait...you're being serious?

This is the issue with Hardman.

Too many gadget plays, not enough legit WR production.

I'd like to see his numbers as a pure WR.

The NFL should train women to keep the talented young, dumb, and full of cum. Focused and in line.

Ah yes. The NFLPA Concubine program.

+1

Eh haters are going to hate. I'm going enjoy watching Mecole Hardman bust open plays for touchdowns in this offense. I'm also going enjoy watching all the guys step it up and make plays both sides of the ball. Another thing is we have pretty good depth at WR even if #2 is up for grabs those guys can go for four quarters and I don't know any defense that can keep up with our speed for four quarters let alone be ground pounded by our offensive line.



I don't give a shit if he is a gadget player, he is a play maker.

I bet those guys rotate out #2 at least for a while and we have fresh legs in the fourth quarter.

There's still time for him to "get it." He has yet to cross an age threshold or anything like that where if he doesn't consistently exhibit reliable traits then he'll never have them.

Sometimes those kinds of preseason games against the Cards are exactly what players like him need. A **** ton of targets as the #1 guy in a game (or a game scenario at least) where his struggles become easily identifiable. Yeah, they're the same struggles he's had in the past, and it's all stuff he's heard before from coaches, but people learn in weird ways. Sometimes a glaring real world demonstration of those lessons is the only thing that gets people to flip the switch.

Not saying it's all gravy now, but I think the Cards game was fantastic experience for him, and it's better that kind of moment happens now than in the regular season.

Sammy Watkins 2020 stats granted had bruised vagina and missed some games but he was our #2 WR

37 receptions (that means he caught 37 balls)
421 yards (that means he gained 421 yards)
11.4 avg (that means his average yards he gained per catch)
37 long (that means his longest play during the season)
2 TD (that means he had 2 touchdowns for the 2020 season)



Mecole Hardman "gadget player" stats 2020 granted he didn't have a bruised vagina and miss some games.

41 receptions
560 yards
13.7 avg
49 long
4 TD


now maybe Mecole needed to step it up and take more advantage of opportunity when Sammy was out of games but did y'all see the catch in the back of the endzone against the Saints?


I'll take Mecole Hardman as a gadget player or jet sweep kinda guy any time because we are winning ****ing championships and he is part of our success.

It's all in y'alls head that he doesn't have chemistry with Patrick Mahomes II but this is the third season for Mecole give him the chance to succeed before calling him a bust. He has game. He has given us opportunities to win games more than he ever has cost us any games. The Super Bowl Patrick didn't have 2 seconds in the pocket there was no pocket so don't blame chemistry when Patrick was running for his life the entire game and that defense crushed our offensive line Tyreek Hill and Kelse had shit game as well.


Give the kid a chance, or not, be an asshole just to pound your chest when he makes a mistake and come on here telling everyone how much he sucks.

It's sad but seems to me that some of you on here rather Mecole fail just to come on here and brag about how right you were. That's just my assumption I could be wrong this is just the internet that Al Gore invented.

And for the record on my part if a player can beat out Mecole at #2 I'll be happy for him because that would be one hell of a player to outset Mecole and we can still watch Mecole make spectacular gadget plays for touchdowns and have a productive number 2 WR it's a win win.


I think we got hungry guys like Pringle and Drob has been around long enough he should have already won it but he is Drob. I like the new kid we drafted he is also going make a mark in the game. Going be fun to watch what we have is a bunch of guys that are going wear down defenses by making each play like its a deep ball but it could be a running play with CEH and the big boys up front.


**** I'm stoked for the season. Hate on Mecole watch him make big plays but keep hating on him.

KC is in good shape this year, barring injuries.

But Mecole Hardman wasn't just drafted to be a #2, he was also drafted in the hopes of being able to fill Tyreek's role, if and when KC lost him due to the allegations having been true or free agency or just injury for a few games.

Hardman can contribute but I'm not sure that KC's depth is all that great. Seems to me it is still looking rather thin at WR after Tyreek. Our QB makes them look better than they are. Fine, solve other problems first like OL.

Great post.

You also bring up a great point that is being overlooked.

Hardman was essentially the #1 WR for that game. Just because he’s clearly not ready for that, doesn’t mean he’s not ready for the role he will be playing week 1. He’s looked ready for the latter in camp, and I’m at least waiting to see him for a few full games in that role before I throw the towel on his 3rd year that hasn’t even begun.

He plays lazy and stupid at times. It doesn't matter where you put him on the depth chart, the same problems will persist. I don't know what else the coaching staff/Mahomes can do with him outside of accepting he's a nifty little gadget until he pulls his head out of his ass. I'd hoped the absolute travesty of a performance he put on during the Super Bowl would've woken him up somewhat but he's still pulling the same shit thus far in preseason. Very disheartening to watch considering we really need him to step up into that role.

I don't think he's too bright. Both in football IQ and in general.

Georgia public schools, what can you do? He came from rural Georgia FFS.

We're talking about a guy who had less than 1,000 yards receiving in college.

He's beating the odds just doing what he is doing now.

Hardman has only been playing WR for 4 years (2 in college/2 in the NFL), iirc. This is the start of his 5th season as a WR, right? And last season was laced with COVID, and everything that went with that. Still willing to cut him a break, for now.

Also, at least two of those passes vs. the Cards were uncatchable, by anyone not named Calvin Johnson.

Yeah, he can't be bothered to run through his routes or turn his head to look for the ball because of COVID...

https://c.tenor.com/13S9Xe2VG7gAAAAC...awrence-ok.gif

Won a SuperBowl his Rookie year...

I wonder how many of those scenarios allow players to lose a bit of desire to put in that extra work.

That's why Mahomes and others need to stay on players like Hardman. If you don't want to be to put in extra work to be a part of championship teams then expect to get chewed out by us and if you still don't want want then we don't want you here.

The thing about an Andy Reid offense is that it is ever evolving meaning he designs plays with the players in mind not the system. Guys move around presnap so a guy can line up as a #2 WR but really then turns into a tailback and flips the ball to Kelce for a touchdown in the endzone. Obviously that's a made up play but it's an example of what Andy Reid does for his offense. Once you predict it it's going evolve. So Hardman fits perfect in Andy Reid offense and he can be a gadget player & or #2 and still help us win ****ing games so why the **** you guys complaining?




I really don't get the hate for Hardman just because of his draft slot wasn't his fault Veach pulled the trigger to get him a raw WR with lots of potential. Hardman needs coached up and disciplined he has both of that in camp and players making them accountable for each other.

If Hardman Sucks Out Loud this season he will get cut and replaced by Veach it's as simple as that. Until then let's watch these guys put on a show and win some ****ing games.

Kelce and Hill have tremendous chemistry with Mahomes. That's what's missing. I'm not sure it can be fixed honestly. We need a highly athletic instinctive WR. That's what Patrick likes. Mecole just doesn't have that feel.

Take it from Tyrann Mathieu on Mecole

https://fox4kc.com/sports/chiefs/tyr...no-2-receiver/

Tyrann Mathieu: Mecole Hardman taking things ‘personal’ as No. 2 receiver



I don't get why Chiefs fans don't want to give the kid a chance when his teammates thinks he is working his ass off?

Hardman only being a backup caliber player might be a blessing in disguise.

Keeps his cost down and he can still contribute 600 yards and 6 TD a year.

He is a tough matchup for most 3/4 CBs which is what he will be drawing on almost every down.

I call false on your statement. It takes dedication and commitment and this is his third year to develop that chemistry. Holy ****ing shit.


How long has Kelce been in the league? and Tyreek is a freak you won't find anywhere.

Even in 2018, Mahomes first year starting, him, Kelce and Hill had basically no chemistry issues together. It sure as hell didn't take 3 years

Mecole Hardman is needed on this offense but he cant be counted on. Hes strictly a big play WR who will disappear alot. I fully expect him to have around 650 yds but can he become consistent. I would say no, this team needs to develop someone as a #2 WR.

I think we all should probably get used to the idea that Mecole is a gadget player ALMOST exclusively. You can see the frustrating look on Pats face when Mecole doesn’t finish a play, it’s a large percentage of them, again, if we’re being honest. It’s the same exact look he had when Mecole was a rookie.

To me, it looks like Mecole is clueless running routes that have sight adjustments. He just can’t process quickly enough what decision he’s supposed to make mid route, based on the defense he’s facing. He still rounds off his routes and doesn’t take the proper angle in his routes to be where he’s supposed to be.

The good thing is that he’s one of the leagues top 10 fastest players and has good vision when he has the ball.

It is what it is.

He may turn a corner soon and put all the pieces together, after all he was a rb convert to WR in college, so he’s still very raw…but I just can’t say I can see marked improvement. He seems like the same fast raw guy he was as a rookie.

LETS just cut ****ing Hardman obviously he has no chance to improve his third year you are all right he sucks



How about
**** y'all

If the weak link on our offense is a guy who scored 6 TD last year we are doing OK.

There’s an odd obsession with this “WR2” title.

If he’s an effective weapon, then he’s an effective weapon. That’s all that really matters to me.

And it doesn’t matter who we could’ve drafted instead. That ship has sailed.

Does he help us win football games? That’s all I care about.

There didn’t seem to be much of a drop off in production without Watkins last year. In fact, he was involved in their two weakest offensive games.

If they could continue to put up 30/game with Hardman in a prominent role and a sorry line last year, I don’t see any reason for people to be pissing themselves now.

You just described Sammy Watkins second year as a Chief being a #2 673 yards and 3 TD. that was his 6th year in the league.


Mecole second year as a Chief 560 yards and 4 TD.


Why do you not expect Mecole Hardman to get better as a WR?


How come you guys don't give him a chance ?


How come when guys like Tyrann Mathieu brag on Mecole Hardman you guys just ignore it and won't give Mecole Hardman a chance to prove himself?



This is a new season and Mecole is still young and learning he should have a learning curve from lack of experience going into the NFL but he doesn't get that nod because of his draft selection. Veach took a chance and I'm sure he is giving the kid every opportunity and all it takes is Mecole to prove himself but he deserves that chance to succeed or fail but **** you guys not giving him that opportunity before the season even unfolds.


He made some big ass plays for us or we wouldn't have gotten to the Super Bowl or won LIV.


Remember Tyreek muffed a punt that ended up giving Houston a 23 - 0 point lead? Mecole returned a 50+ yard kr that gave the spark for a comeback but he sucks should have cut him then.


I just don't get the hate for a guy who is a playmaker and has contributed to winning our first Super Bowl in 50 years. Going into his 3rd year i expect more out of him also but I still don't get the hate.


He has earned this season to prove himself.

Just why can't Mecole be counted on ?


Can he not learn and get better as a football player is that what OTAs and Training Camp is for? what do they do there?

For the record you are saying Mahomes and Hardman can't and won't develop chemistry together because in a pre season game they didn't connect on two errant throws by Patrick Mahomes II? Or that they just never had that chemistry together so therefor they will never get chemistry?

For you Mecole Hardman haters I have a question.




Can a player get better in his third year or not?

I have a better question.

If Hardman ends the season with 800+ yards and 6+ touchdowns, does it matter how that happens?

That's a very good question

I said it before and I will say it again. Hardman needs a few games before we write him off. Give him a chance since he has never been opposite Hill.

Cut the kid a break until he's played some.

DK Metcalf #22 on NFL top 100.

:banghead::banghead::banghead::deevee::deevee::deevee:

Doth protest too much?

Shut the **** up.

Are you secretly Mecole Hardman?

There's a wide spectrum between Mecole Hardman is a great receiver and Mecole Hardman needs to be cut. Find your way there and join the rest of us.

Your posts in this thread are honestly becoming creepy. I thought maybe you were buzzed last night when you were posting about him but now you've continued with the same sycophantic tone and I'm concerned.

yes in fact I was quite buzzed last night.


I just don't get the hate for a guy that has contributed in winning Championships and give him the opportunity to be successful in this offense but I'm just being a fan defending a player I happen to like because I think he is going do some great things for us that will make the haters look foolish.


I'll either look stupid defending a player I like in this thread or any of the haters are going look stupid in this thread. Oh well I'm ready for the season to start I think it's going be a fun ride.