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smithandrew051 01-10-2022 02:07 PM
I’d probably go:

1. Mahomes
2. Rodgers
3. Brady (assuming you get the refs too, otherwise he drops to 32)
4. Allen
5. Wilson
6. Burrow
7. Prescott
8. Herbert
9. Stafford
10. Murray

ThaVirus 01-10-2022 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by carcosa (Post 16067019)
I would replace him with any and all of the guys you named, because they've all accomplished the towering feat of making the playoffs. Herbert has a great roster and still hasn't done that. He can make big throws but he ain't shit until he actually does shit.

Is their roster really all that great though? They've got a bottom 3 scoring defense. Herbert can't control that and their defense has been nearly as bad as ours was for that stretch early on this year.

Red Dawg 01-10-2022 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 16067078)
Is their roster really all that great though? They've got a bottom 3 scoring defense. Herbert can't control that and their defense has been nearly as bad as ours was for that stretch early on this year.
If he's so perfect and great when why do they lose so much and miss the payoffs? He is not better than Mahomes at all. Mahomes has dragged 3 bad defenses to the division title, the payoffs and to the SB twice and got a win.

I know this much, Mahomes would have got the TD and won that ****ing game last night and never would have been 14 down in the 4th with the season on the line to the Raiders.

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carcosa 01-10-2022 03:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 16067078)
Is their roster really all that great though? They've got a bottom 3 scoring defense. Herbert can't control that and their defense has been nearly as bad as ours was for that stretch early on this year.
Gee, I wonder if Patrick Mahomes ever had to drag a bottom 3 scoring defense to the AFC CG.

Herbert has a big arm but that's about it until he actually does something.

carcosa 01-10-2022 03:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Dawg (Post 16067250)
If he's so perfect and great when why do they lose so much and miss the payoffs? He is not better than Mahomes at all. Mahomes has dragged 3 bad defenses to the division title, the payoffs and to the SB twice and got a win.

I know this much, Mahomes would have got the TD and won that ****ing game last night and never would have been 14 down in the 4th with the season on the line to the Raiders.
Hell yes Rude Bitch go off!!!!!

carcosa 01-10-2022 03:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 16067056)
I’d probably go:

1. Mahomes
2. Rodgers
3. Brady (assuming you get the refs too, otherwise he drops to 32)
4. Allen
5. Wilson
6. Burrow
7. Prescott
8. Herbert
9. Stafford
10. Murray
Good list but Herbert is way too high

Chiefnj2 01-10-2022 03:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Dawg (Post 16067250)
If he's so perfect and great when why do they lose so much and miss the payoffs? He is not better than Mahomes at all. Mahomes has dragged 3 bad defenses to the division title, the payoffs and to the SB twice and got a win.
The 2019 and 2020 defenses were bad? Being top 10 in points against is bad?

Chieftain 01-10-2022 03:36 PM
Herbert has one major flaw: Lack of touch in his throws

He makes up for his lack of touch by throwing impressively accurate balls and doing so consistently even in tight windows.
You can only do that for so long in high pressure situations. That's when touch comes into play. And escapability, too. He doesn't leave the pocket as much as he should. These two combined play a deciding factor in him closing out games.

ThaVirus 01-10-2022 03:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Dawg (Post 16067250)
If he's so perfect and great when why do they lose so much and miss the payoffs? He is not better than Mahomes at all. Mahomes has dragged 3 bad defenses to the division title, the payoffs and to the SB twice and got a win.



I know this much, Mahomes would have got the TD and won that ****ing game last night and never would have been 14 down in the 4th with the season on the line to the Raiders.

I never said he was perfect and I never said he is better than Mahomes. In fact, I made two lists in which I specifically ranked Mahomes ahead of Herbert.

You don't know shit, dude. Mahomes just got smacked in the ****ing Super Bowl. We lost by three scores. Did you miss that?

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Originally Posted by carcosa (Post 16067276)
Gee, I wonder if Patrick Mahomes ever had to drag a bottom 3 scoring defense to the AFC CG.



Herbert has a big arm but that's about it until he actually does something.

He literally never has lol

Hammock Parties 01-10-2022 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Chieftain (Post 16067301)
Herbert has one major flaw: Lack of touch in his throws

He makes up for his lack of touch by throwing impressively accurate balls and doing so consistently even in tight windows.
You can only do that for so long in high pressure situations. That's when touch comes into play. And escapability, too. He doesn't leave the pocket as much as he should. These two combined play a deciding factor in him closing out games.
He's not yet great at feeling how to maneuver in the pocket and escape it.

Mahomes has that down to a science, nay, an art.

Big Ben 01-10-2022 03:51 PM
Herbert, hands down.

carcosa 01-10-2022 03:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 16067322)
I never said he was perfect and I never said he is better than Mahomes. In fact, I made two lists in which I specifically ranked Mahomes ahead of Herbert.

You don't know shit, dude. Mahomes just got smacked in the ****ing Super Bowl. We lost by three scores. Did you miss that?
And? Did you miss the part where Mahomes had a high school JV offensive line in front of him? What does that have to do with anything? Why are you so invested in defending Herbert?

Quote:
Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 16067322)


He literally never has lol
Alright well the Chargers D this year gave up a whopping .8 more points per game than the 2018 Chiefs defense. Seems to me an actual elite QB who deserves to be mentioned in the same breath as Mahomes would do better than 9-8 and no playoff berth.

Hey man, maybe you should just go root for the Chargers, I hear they're desperate for fans!

Hammock Parties 01-10-2022 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Big Ben (Post 16067348)
Herbert, hands down.
His hand is down his pants as he watches the Chiefs play postseason football.

ThaVirus 01-10-2022 04:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by carcosa (Post 16067351)
And? Did you miss the part where Mahomes had a high school JV offensive line in front of him? What does that have to do with anything? Why are you so invested in defending Herbert?







Alright well the Chargers D this year gave up a whopping .8 more points per game than the 2018 Chiefs defense. Seems to me an actual elite QB who deserves to be mentioned in the same breath as Mahomes would do better than 9-8 and no playoff berth.



Hey man, maybe you should just go root for the Chargers, I hear they're desperate for fans!

Scroll up, bruv. I'm only responding to the people who are responding to me.

I'm wondering why people here are so bent on tearing him down. It's weird. Whole board was shaking in their boots hoping to not run into LA in the postseason, then they come here and say dude isn't a top 5 QB lol soooooo we're afraid of Ekeler and Keenan Allen then? Their bottom 3 defense? Their dipshit coach?

Big Ben 01-10-2022 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 16067365)
His hand is down his pants as he watches the Chiefs play postseason football.
It's not his fault the coach is a nitwit. He singlehandedly got them back in the game. Plus he's much younger than Mahomes.

eDave 01-10-2022 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Big Ben (Post 16067381)
It's not his fault the coach is a nitwit. He singlehandedly got them back in the game. Plus he's much younger than Mahomes.
"Much"


Cheaper too!

Chieftain 01-10-2022 04:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Ben (Post 16067381)
It's not his fault the coach is a nitwit. He singlehandedly got them back in the game. Plus he's much younger than Mahomes.
Herbert as the starting QB went 9-8 this season. He has to take some of the blame, don't you think. 8 losses can't all be on coaching.

Hog's Gone Fishin 01-10-2022 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Chieftain (Post 16067396)
Herbert as the starting QB went 9-8 this season. He has to take some of the blame, don't you think. 8 losses can't all be on coaching.
The coach cost them 3 games

Should have been 12-5

smithandrew051 01-10-2022 04:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Ben (Post 16067381)
It's not his fault the coach is a nitwit. He singlehandedly got them back in the game. Plus he's much younger than Mahomes.
I would take Roethlisberger over Brady. He’s much younger.

smithandrew051 01-10-2022 04:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin (Post 16067403)
The coach cost them 3 games

Should have been 12-5
Did you look at their wins to see which ones were lucky too?

Big Ben 01-10-2022 04:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chieftain (Post 16067396)
Herbert as the starting QB went 9-8 this season. He has to take some of the blame, don't you think. 8 losses can't all be on coaching.
I was referring primarily to last night's game. The QB did his part to get them into the playoffs. But I'm not complaining about what happened as a Steeler fan. :)

Big Ben 01-10-2022 04:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 16067405)
I would take Roethlisberger over Brady. He’s much younger.
Sadly Big Ben is on his last legs. Being the toughest and most fearless QB in the history of the NFL shaved years off of his career.

FloridaMan88 01-10-2022 04:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Ben (Post 16067381)
It's not his fault the coach is a nitwit. He singlehandedly got them back in the game. Plus he's much younger than Mahomes.
Whose fault was it when the Chargers lost to the Texans two weeks ago with Suckbert throwing two awful interceptions?

eDave 01-10-2022 04:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 16067444)
Whose fault was it when the Chargers lost to the Texans two weeks ago with Suckbert throwing two awful interceptions?
One things for sure, he doesn't suck.

TEX 01-10-2022 04:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Ben (Post 16067381)
It's not his fault the coach is a nitwit. He singlehandedly got them back in the game. Plus he's much younger than Mahomes.
3 years is "much younger?" :shrug:

Deberg_1990 01-10-2022 04:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chieftain (Post 16067396)
Herbert as the starting QB went 9-8 this season. He has to take some of the blame, don't you think. 8 losses can't all be on coaching.
The Bolts let the Texans rack up 41 points on them. That’s why they missed the playoffs

TEX 01-10-2022 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Big Ben (Post 16067348)
Herbert, hands down.
ROFL
You just need to retire already. Senility is setting in.

Big Ben 01-10-2022 04:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TEX (Post 16067451)
3 years is "much younger?" :shrug:
Absolutely. That's 3 extra prime years in the bank, and potentially three extra Super Bowl rings that can be won after Patrick is done.

Bearcat 01-10-2022 04:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TEX (Post 16067462)
ROFL
You just need to retire already. Senility is setting in.
Pittsdeberg

TEX 01-10-2022 04:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 16067453)
The Bolts let the Texans rack up 41 points on them. That’s why they missed the playoffs
Herbert was terrible that game.

TEX 01-10-2022 04:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Ben (Post 16067466)
Absolutely. That's 3 extra prime years in the bank, and potentially three extra Super Bowl rings that can be won after Patrick is done.
Hmmm... Does that work for your boy and Brady? Your boy and Rodgers? So, I'd say absolutely not. You're just being a contrarian in a place where you'll get plenty of action. Doesn't matter. I'll take Mahomes and be happy to be a contender every year for the next decade.

FloridaMan88 01-10-2022 04:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 16067453)
The Bolts let the Texans rack up 41 points on them. That’s why they missed the playoffs
Houston scored 14 points off two Suckbert INT’s, including a pick 6 that essentially clinched the game.

But don’t let facts interfere with your usual Suckbert apologist bullshit.

chiefzilla1501 01-10-2022 04:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 16067056)
I’d probably go:

1. Mahomes
2. Rodgers
3. Brady (assuming you get the refs too, otherwise he drops to 32)
4. Allen
5. Wilson
6. Burrow
7. Prescott
8. Herbert
9. Stafford
10. Murray
Dont disagree with the top 4. Only a matter of time before burrow hits #4 if he hasn’t already. Id bump kyler a few spots and put Stafford at the bottom of the top 10. I think you could easily put Herbert in the top 6 or 7. Russell has too many negative games and maybe dak has gotten over the hump, but he’s had too much history feasting off easy games… but he had a hell of a season.

It’s nonsense to put him in the same discussion as mahomes. But Herbert is still a hell of a good young qb.

Big Ben 01-10-2022 04:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TEX (Post 16067462)
ROFL
You just need to retire already. Senility is setting in.
If Big Ben does decide to hang it up this year he will retire FAR ahead of Patrick in all major statistical categories. :clap:ROFL

eDave 01-10-2022 04:57 PM
Would someone please flush this turd?

Big Ben 01-10-2022 04:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TEX (Post 16067483)
Hmmm... Does that work for your boy and Brady? Your boy and Rodgers? So, I'd say absolutely not. You're just being a contrarian in a place where you'll get plenty of action. Doesn't matter. I'll take Mahomes and be happy to be a contender every year for the next decade.
Don't get me wrong, I think Patrick will go down as one of the greats. But three years is a long time by NFL standards. That's the average length of an NFL career from what they say.

FloridaMan88 01-10-2022 05:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Ben (Post 16067520)
If Big Ben does decide to hang it up this year he will retire FAR ahead of Patrick in all major statistical categories. :clap:ROFL
Because he started playing in the NFL when Mahomes was 9 years old? ROFL

Mahomes in year 18 will make Rapelithsberger’s stats look Neil O’Donnell-caliber meh.

Big Ben 01-10-2022 05:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 16067549)
Because he started playing in the NFL when Mahomes was 9 years old? ROFL

Mahomes in year 18 will make Rapelithsberger’s stats look Neil O’Donnell-caliber meh.
Well, we shall see. One thing I can guarantee is I will still be here to assess the comparison of the two at that time. :thumb:

Rausch 01-10-2022 05:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Ben (Post 16067551)
Well, we shall see. One thing I can guarantee is I will still be here to assess the comparison of the two at that time. :thumb:
We'll see...

Bearcat 01-10-2022 05:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 16067549)
Because he started playing in the NFL when Mahomes was 9 years old? ROFL

Mahomes in year 18 will make Rapelithsberger’s stats look Neil O’Donnell-caliber meh.
And I believe Mahomes only needs one more SB win, one more SB appearance, 1 more AFCCG win, and 2 more AFCCG appearances to match Roethlisberger in each category.

Thinking he could pull that off in 15+ years.

Bearcat 01-10-2022 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 16067557)
We'll see...
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Chiefspants 01-10-2022 05:15 PM
Herbert has a lot of talent. He had an opportunity to drive down the field to beat the Chiefs and the Raiders this year in critical games.

He failed each time. I imagine he’ll be a pain in the ass for a long time. But i think it’s a bit premature to crown him as some sort of legend (as many KC fans are) when he put up a very Rivers like season this year. He has the tools to become elite, but I don’t think he’s there yet.

Rausch 01-10-2022 05:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 16067573)
Herbert has a lot of talent. He had an opportunity to drive down the field to beat the Chiefs and the Raiders this year in critical games.

He failed each time.
My guess would be even Herbert knows you punt the ****ing ball when it's 4th down on your own 20.

His talent is clear but other variables (like coaching, no fans, no home field advantage) are holding him back...

Big Ben 01-10-2022 05:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 16067562)
And I believe Mahomes only needs one more SB win, one more SB appearance, 1 more AFCCG win, and 2 more AFCCG appearances to match Roethlisberger in each category.

Thinking he could pull that off in 15+ years.
That might not be such a safe assumption with Mr. Herbert in the same division. It will be interesting watching the two of them battle it out over the years to see who can have a career comparable to Big Ben's.

Red Dawg 01-10-2022 05:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Ben (Post 16067520)
If Big Ben does decide to hang it up this year he will retire FAR ahead of Patrick in all major statistical categories. :clap:ROFL
Decides? Pretty sure Pitt would get him out there anyway. He's totally washed and they know it. He already said goodbye after the Browns game. His last game will be at Arrowhead. His family was bummed the last time. This time they may get him out of there at the half.

St. Patty's Fire 01-10-2022 05:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 16067056)
I’d probably go:

1. Mahomes
2. Rodgers
3. Brady (assuming you get the refs too, otherwise he drops to 32)
4. Allen
5. Wilson
6. Burrow
7. Prescott
8. Herbert
9. Stafford
10. Murray
pretty good list, this is how I would rank them

1. Mahomes
2. Rodgers
3. Allen
4. Brady
5. Burrow
6. Herbert
7. Murray
8. Wilson
9. Lamar
10. Dak

Big Ben 01-10-2022 05:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Dawg (Post 16067587)
Decides? Pretty sure Pitt would get him out there anyway. He's totally washed and they know it. He already said goodbye after the Browns game. His last game will be at Arrowhead. His family was bummed the last time. This time they may get him out of there at the half.
I don't know. Something tells me the ol' gunslinger still has a few bullets left in the chamber. He didn't run around much this season so he saved his legs for the playoffs.

Peter Gibbons 01-10-2022 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Big Ben (Post 16067596)
I don't know. Something tells me the ol' gunslinger still has a few bullets left in the chamber. He didn't run around much this season so he saved his legs for the playoffs.
Or because he is too old and fat and now incapable of running.

Spott 01-10-2022 05:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 16067562)
And I believe Mahomes only needs one more SB win, one more SB appearance, 1 more AFCCG win, and 2 more AFCCG appearances to match Roethlisberger in each category.

Thinking he could pull that off in 15+ years.
One thing is for sure, he’ll never catch him in the rape category.

eDave 01-10-2022 05:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Ben (Post 16067596)
I don't know. Something tells me the ol' gunslinger still has a few bullets left in the chamber. He didn't run around much this season so he saved his legs for the playoffs.
He'll get one or two because KC won't care about that.

New World Order 01-10-2022 05:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Ben (Post 16067596)
I don't know. Something tells me the ol' gunslinger still has a few bullets left in the chamber. He didn't run around much this season so he saved his legs for the playoffs.
Too bad he didn’t save his arm

St. Patty's Fire 01-10-2022 05:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spott (Post 16067605)
One thing is for sure, he’ll never catch him in the rape category.
Yeah, Ben is the second best all time. Watson is just a generational talent.

Bl00dyBizkitz 01-10-2022 05:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Ben (Post 16067551)
Well, we shall see. One thing I can guarantee is I will still be here to assess the comparison of the two at that time. :thumb:
No you won't.

Big Ben 01-10-2022 05:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter Gibbons (Post 16067604)
Or because he is too old and fat and now incapable of running.
Most of the extra weight he has put on throughout his career has been pure muscle mass.

Red Dawg 01-10-2022 05:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Ben (Post 16067596)
I don't know. Something tells me the ol' gunslinger still has a few bullets left in the chamber. He didn't run around much this season so he saved his legs for the playoffs.
Lol. Saved his legs for the playoffs. Yeah, I'm sure he will just turn back the clock and kick ass.

FloridaMan88 01-10-2022 05:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Ben (Post 16067580)
That might not be such a safe assumption with Mr. Herbert in the same division.
Suckbert and his 15-17 career record as a starting QB to-date with zero playoff appearances? LMAO

Of course as a Steelers fan you are used to playing in a division where opposing teams have mediocre/shitty QB play… Rapelithsberger’s AFC North opposing QB rivals for most of his career were the likes of Joe Flacco, Lamar Jackson, Carson Palmer, Andy Dalton, Derek Anderson, Johnny Manziel, Baker Mayfield, etc, so it’s understandable why you are wowed by Suckbert as a supposed divisional QB rival to Mahomes.

KChiefs1 01-10-2022 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 16034374)
That 493rd isn't a Chiefs fan. No way

He is not.


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KChiefs1 01-10-2022 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 16064746)
Chargers are the greatest team in NFL history to win only 9 games and miss the playoffs!

Indianapolis Colts are a close 2nd.


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KChiefs1 01-10-2022 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by KC Hawks (Post 16064817)
Can't wait for everyone to pick them to win the AFC West next year!!!

You know that’s happening.


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KChiefs1 01-10-2022 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 16065145)
Come on...he’s good. Wouldn’t trade Mahomes but let’s call it what it is...

He’s top 10 for sure but guys like Collinsworth & Orlovsky think he is other worldly.


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KChiefs1 01-10-2022 06:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by synthesis2 (Post 16065299)
Well first you have to win at least one playoff game for me to give you a top 10 rating, he has to show me that first. Getting to the playoffs with no wins means zero.

Mahomes
Rogers
Brady
Stafford
Carr
Vurrow
Prescott
Allen
Murray
Cousins

You don’t make sense. Some of those dudes have never played in a playoff game much less won one.


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KChiefs1 01-10-2022 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by TEX (Post 16065702)
Doesn't Herbert have a losing record as a starting QB? :shrug:

I think so.


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KChiefs1 01-10-2022 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 16065807)
But..Colin Cowherd said Herbert was better than Mahomes...


ROFL

He also said Russell Wilson was better too.


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Chieftain 01-10-2022 06:17 PM
Stoolers will be Joe Burrow's b!tch for the next decade. Bungholes will own that division.

Bowser 01-10-2022 06:31 PM
DeBerg 1990 or Ubeja?

IowaHawkeyeChief 01-10-2022 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Big Ben (Post 16067628)
Most of the extra weight he has put on throughout his career has been pure muscle mass.
LMAO... I've told that to my wife about myself the last 30 years... She laughs, because she knows it me being funny. I assume you are being funny.

Dartgod 01-10-2022 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Big Ben (Post 16067551)
Well, we shall see. One thing I can guarantee is I will still be here to assess the comparison of the two at that time. :thumb:
No you won't. You'll never show your sorry ass on this site when the game is over.

TEX 01-10-2022 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Dartgod (Post 16067807)
No you won't. You'll never show your sorry ass on this site when the game is over.
Yep. Didn't Bills fan say the same thing last year?

KChiefs1 01-10-2022 07:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Ben (Post 16067628)
Most of the extra weight he has put on throughout his career has been pure muscle mass.

I guess that’s why he is so nimble on his feet.


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Marcellus 01-10-2022 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 16067708)
He’s top 10 for sure but guys like Collinsworth & Orlovsky think he is other worldly.


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Its got nothing to do with anything other than having a new storyline to sell. Mahomes has been all the talk for years.

It was Brady still is some times, Rodgers dethroned Brady, Mahomes dethroned Rodgers, Then back to Rodgers and Brady, now Herbert and Burrow etc...


Look at this way Herbert will only motivate Mahomes. Great players need a nemesis anyway.

Brady - Manning

Favre- Aikeman - Young

Footballs future looks bright I was wondering when the old dudes retired Brees, Rivers, Manning, etc...Qb play was pretty soft for a while.

Going to be fun and Mahomes is the #1 proven as voted by the players prior to the season.

IowaHawkeyeChief 01-10-2022 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Big Ben (Post 16067580)
That might not be such a safe assumption with Mr. Herbert in the same division. It will be interesting watching the two of them battle it out over the years to see who can have a career comparable to Big Ben's.
Mahomes is already comparable to Big Ben you dolt, well unless I missed the year Big Ben was MVP...

ThaVirus 01-11-2022 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 16067573)
Herbert has a lot of talent. He had an opportunity to drive down the field to beat the Chiefs and the Raiders this year in critical games.

He failed each time. I imagine he’ll be a pain in the ass for a long time. But i think it’s a bit premature to crown him as some sort of legend (as many KC fans are) when he put up a very Rivers like season this year. He has the tools to become elite, but I don’t think he’s there yet.

Herbert actually succeeded at Arrowhead.

He already appears to have more potential than Rivers. We'll see if he ever reaches his ceiling.

Marcellus 01-11-2022 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 16068792)
Herbert actually succeeded at Arrowhead.

He already appears to have more potential than Rivers. We'll see if he ever reaches his ceiling.
Pretty sure the refs succeeded at Arrowhead in that game.

St. Patty's Fire 01-11-2022 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 16068797)
Pretty sure the refs succeeded at Arrowhead in that game.
Not even that, he needed four turnovers from us

Chiefspants 01-11-2022 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 16068792)
Herbert actually succeeded at Arrowhead.

He already appears to have more potential than Rivers. We'll see if he ever reaches his ceiling.
Rivers gave Mahomes the most devastating regular season loss of his career at Arrowhead.

Rivers could look like a HOF QB for 3 quarters and had an uncanny way of unraveling in the clutch. Rivers really was Marty like in his regular season dominance and was even a stout match-up against Peyton Manning (5-8 in his career, 2-0 in the playoffs), but despite Rivers and the Chargers always having massive pre-season expectations, they never seemed to live up to their potential. Failing in the clutch is an overused narrative in sports, but it followed Rivers throughout his career and he always seemed to unravel at the worst times. At the moment, Herbert is waiting to step out of that shadow.

After our AFCCG against the Patriots, a lot of us agreed we had shaken off the "Because we are the Chiefs" narrative and that Mahomes was going to break our curse -- but no other fanbase agreed until Mahomes finally led us through SB54. Chargers fans are already saying that Herbert has broken them of where they were in the past, but I'm waiting to see that on field. I think Herbert and Young Sheldon are likely to be stout regular season foes, but at the moment they just feel a lot like the prime Rivers Chargers to me. Massive expectations going into the season, but can't make that translate into consistent dominance.

I agree with you that Herbert has the potential to put the team on his shoulders get them a Lombardi (and I don't know if Rivers did). They better hope they're right in trusting Tom Telesco at GM. He is entering his 10th season and has 2(?) playoff wins to show for it. He has 10 draft picks, a whole lot of cap space and Herbert's rookie contract going into next season. He has a prime chance to load up, fix the team's issues 2019 KC style, and become an elite force for the next 3 seasons. This is Telesco's time to deliver. But if he squanders this chance, that would be the ultimate Chargers thing ever.

Willie Lanier 01-11-2022 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Big Ben (Post 16067628)
Most of the extra weight he has put on throughout his career has been pure muscle mass.
All of that gut and jowel muscle for sure

smithandrew051 01-11-2022 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Spott (Post 16067605)
One thing is for sure, he’ll never catch him in the rape category.
I dunno, have you seen what he’s done to the Broncos?

FloridaMan88 01-11-2022 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 16069078)
I dunno, have you seen what he’s done to the Broncos?
Mahomes vs the rest of the AFC West is like Rapelethisberger in a rural Georgia bar full of fat coeds... rape is inevitable.

RealSNR 01-11-2022 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 16068853)
Rivers gave Mahomes the most devastating regular season loss of his career at Arrowhead.

Rivers could look like a HOF QB for 3 quarters and had an uncanny way of unraveling in the clutch. Rivers really was Marty like in his regular season dominance and was even a stout match-up against Peyton Manning (5-8 in his career, 2-0 in the playoffs), but despite Rivers and the Chargers always having massive pre-season expectations, they never seemed to live up to their potential. Failing in the clutch is an overused narrative in sports, but it followed Rivers throughout his career and he always seemed to unravel at the worst times. At the moment, Herbert is waiting to step out of that shadow.

After our AFCCG against the Patriots, a lot of us agreed we had shaken off the "Because we are the Chiefs" narrative and that Mahomes was going to break our curse -- but no other fanbase agreed until Mahomes finally led us through SB54. Chargers fans are already saying that Herbert has broken them of where they were in the past, but I'm waiting to see that on field. I think Herbert and Young Sheldon are likely to be stout regular season foes, but until they put it together over an entire regular season, they just feel a lot like the prime Rivers Chargers to me. Massive expectations going into the season, but can't make that translate into consistent dominance.

I agree with you that Herbert has the potential to put the team on his shoulders get them a Lombardi (and I don't know if Rivers did). They better hope they're right in trusting Tom Telesco at GM. He is entering his 10th season and has 2(?) playoff wins to show for it. He has 10 draft picks, a whole lot of cap space and Herbert's rookie contract going into next season. He has a prime chance to load up, fix the team's issues 2019 KC style, and become an elite force for the next 3 seasons. This is Telesco's time to deliver. But if he squanders this chance, that would be the ultimate Chargers thing ever.
That's thing about Telesco. How many drafts has he knocked out of the park now? Hell, I'm not even talking about stupid media guys crowning the Chargers' asses too soon. I'll admit to looking at their draft classes each year and going, "Dang... they really did a good job!"

How many ****ing drafts does it take to hit a home run on before you stop being a meddling .500 clown ass team every year? Where is the issue?

We're gonna blame the head coach for every one of those missed playoffs seasons?


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