Dude I watch wrestling lol

I mean...what about the other thousands of players and ex players who say it's legit?

And what about the inconsistencies in the players who say it's rigged? Does Dwight Smith think Gannon threw him those picks on purpose? Was he told that he was supposed to get two picks that game?

Basically everything on TV is fake...so why's this different?

Because those shows and movies (other than documentaries) aren't promoted as being "real."

Do you discuss wrestling strategies with people online? Like, "undertaker should use this move if Hulk Hogan does this ____"? Cause I've seen you talk football strategy. Why talk strategy and even who teams should draft if it's all rigged?

Just if you think it's fake you watch it differently.

And they're not filmed live in front of thousands of people.

Nah usually talking wrestling is talking about pushes, angles, booking and how Vince is old and reeruned now.

Neither is the NFL, the Supreme Court has it under Entertainment, not a sport. Therefore the NFL can legally rig their product. They can make it into a Hollywood movie if they want and have. Kurt Warner.

Yes, they call them "reality shows" but they're ****ing scripted too.


Just how ****ing dumb ARE you?

Why don't you talk about strategy the way you do football? Or why do you talk football strategy instead of treating it like WWE? Like you said, it's all the same right?

So if the Bengals player didn't tip and catch the INT in the 2nd half, would Mahomes have kept throwing it to him the next few plays?

How exactly does this scripting work?

Also to add not all wrestlers are created the same, some dudes are incredibly gifted at it.

I mean you could but it'd be in the context of how a match is worked.

Well that says plenty. Wrestling fans over the age 12 are ****ing useless. LMAO

Uh huh..

This entire thread is stupid. All you have to do is look on the players faces after the games to know the games aren't rigged. These aren't professionally trained actors. They know the game is real and it hurts when they lose and is joyous when they win.

There are a few weak minded fools in this thread who just can't stomach that their team lost and to soothe their hurt they want to believe it isn't real so there is no reason to be hurt.

No one who is involved in those shows claims that they are real. They are acting. Just like "professional" wrestling.

If you actually want to believe that NFL players are being directed to throw games, referees in cahoots, etc. by "they," have at it. I get it: conspiracies are fun. But it makes no sense and there's no proof. Which is what makes conspiracies so much fun, of course.

NFL Is Rigged: Championship Round
 

Has there ever been a game where a team was unstoppable on offense in the first half(Bengals couldn’t stop them until Mahomes screwed up the last play) and couldn’t even get a first down in the second half??????????

Everyone is saying the fix was in.


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They can't legally fix/rig games. That's bullshit and you know it.

They aren't as dumb as flat-Earthers, so they have that going for them.

Yes they can, being classified as entertainment and not sport is the loop hole that allows it. If it was classified as a sport then yes you would be right.

It's certainly that, yes. But it's also a "thinking" of superiority. They know the truth, and "we" don't and are just gullible rubes.

To be fair, sports is just a specific kind of entertainment.

Why would they play great in the first half if the script was for them to lose?

Bills vs. Oilers 1992 Wildcard game.

Lol I don't feel superior lol I'm just giving my view based on what I see.

To make it more obvious that they were throwing it. Duh.

A Jets fan tried to sue the NFL for the Patriots cheating them and the Supreme Court said he couldn’t because the NFL is listed as entertainment.

How? As entertainment they can...

Right. What other conspiracies do you believe? JFK assassination? Moon landings fake?

Al Davis was never content with the league. He sued it multiple times. As the AFL Commissioner, he wanted to bury the NFL out of existence.

If the NFL started fixing games, it was after Al died.

And I can't imagine that a bunch of coaches, players, and even some owners have gladly gone along with the charade with nary any deathbed confessions or revelations.

That's 100% exactly what they did. Didn't you watch the ****ing game?

Bengals defense were playing 8 deep with a 3 man front, just DARING the Chiefs to keep running the ball at 6 yards a clip with an 18 point lead...and the Chiefs declined to do anything that would help them win and had Mahomes keep throwing the ball directly to the Bengals defenders.

I guess that had to be explained to you since you obviously either missed the game or don't have a ****ing clue...but yes, they had Mahomes keep throwing the ball directly at a swarm of Bengals defenders until the game was over.

Now, don't ask another stupid ****ing question in this thread. Don't read anything else and don't ****ing post - watch this YouTube and LISTEN to the Dwight Smith and Tim Brown comments on the Bucs/Raiders Super Bowl :
https://youtu.be/IA6KbNw-3TU

If it was revealed that NFL games were predetermined by the league, how many lawsuits do you think there would be? Do you honestly think the NFL wouldn't lose in a court of law?

A scandal of that sort would end the league and all the money that they make would go away. That is another reason that the games aren't rigged. The risk vs. reward just isn't there.

You ever heard of the saying “Don’t bite the hand that feeds you”?

And the NFL hated Al, see tuck rule.

That’s a good example. Falcons & Patriots is a more recent one. Both of them had massive leads and fell apart. Wildest thing about the Oilers loss is that they allowed it to happen against Buffalo’s backup QB.

Even lowly paid guys like Dorian O'Daniel has probably made 2-3 million dollars in his 4 years here...why the **** would he say anything?

Not that I think any bottom of the roster players are aware of anything.

It's been well-established that there was a conspiracy to assassinate JFK and that Oswald did not act alone, so...yes? Since that has been proven?

Does not help your ranting and incoherent babbling by bringing that one up. At all.

The whole legalized betting on NFL games throws your the NFL is legally entertainment so they can rig the games as they want argument.

You can bet on WWE in Vegas...

That's quite a bit different than the league fixing games. A butthurt fan suing the league based on allegations of one team cheating vs. an entire league fixing games to a determined outcome.

They didn't lose. They were sued and the NFL's lawyers said "so what? No one ever said it isn't rigged. Now **** off."

The Supreme Court agreed.

Same antitrust laws as the WWE.

No, it hasn't.

As for ranting, I couldn't help but notice you didn't answer my questions. How come?

So you are admitting you are ignorant to how it works?

If they say anything it’s cause something went sour and they got cut off. Kind of like the former recruit that brought the SMU gravy train down.

The crux of it was that the games were not legitimate sporting contests because the Patriots cheated.


The NFL's lawyers laughed and said "NONE of the games are legitimate, no one ever said they were. It's entertainment...and are you not entertained!?"

And the Supreme Court said "sounds about right to us."

100 years ago, the NFL was three years ago and barely surviving.

I don't think the league is rigged but your example doesn't really work.

Huh? Are you talking about the lawsuit brought by the Jets fan against the Patriots? That is completely different than a lawsuit against the league accusing them of fixing games.

NFL was founded in 1920.

Mara didn't enter the league until 1925.

Rooney didn't enter until 1933.

The guy who is HC of the Colts now.

Play your role, be a good company man, you're in the fraternity for life.

You may relocate a fair bit...but they'll always find a spot for you.

What did the Oilers get out of it, especially a great player like Warren Moon?

Publicly. They started this whole thing, they have 10 Lombardi’s that says so.

I like how people go back on forth on legitimate football strategy and the game being rigged.

He says "In the NFL, the team who wins is the team that gets the most pressure on the quarterback"


Why would that matter if the game was rigged?

And his whole basis of it being rigged is that the Raiders still ran Jon Grudens offense so they knew what plays were coming. Everyone knew that Bill Callahan kept Grudens offense. That's not news.

And then he talks about his picks and pick 6s as his accomplishments. If games were scripted, how was he able to do those things unless he was in on the script which obviously he wasn't in on if he considers them accomplishments.

The Jets season ticket holder who sued the league wanted his ****ing money back for the Patriots games through the Spygate years.

Because they were "not legitimate" sporting contests.

The NFL's attorney testified in front of the ****ing Supreme Court that NONE of the games are truly legitimate, that the NFL is LEGALLY allowed to "manipulate aspects of their onfield product for entertainment purposes only", and that fans would still watch even if they knew they games weren't legitimate sporting contests.

And the Supreme Court agreed.

Whatever the **** you think all that means, but I know what that says to me...

Yeah, I have.

Yet Al sued the league to move to LA.

Now the penalties against the Raiders did spike that year and have since stayed high. But that is a different topic.

Al fought the NFL. He wasn't going along with some rigged nonsense.

https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=342307

Until you grow up enough that you do not let the outcome of a sporting event impact you this way you should not be making any comments about the legitimacy of the game.

Great points. In a rigged league, people like Reid and Veach don't do a goddamn thing, and are only there for appearances.

You are truly a ****ing moron if that's what you heard.

He talks about those accomplishments and pick 6s as in "I'm not a salty loser. I "won" but we knew every single play there were going to run."

You are ****ing stupid with no actual cognitive context.

Wow. Please. Antifreeze. Drink.

The Rooneys and Maras were not present at the League's founding.

The Rooneys' franchise sucked for 40 years. I guess that was all part of the deal. To be that bad that the Steelers would move home games to West Virginia and Buffalo and play during the week just for the pittance that the premerger NFL generated.

Not "great points", he's an idiot who apparently doesn't know what the **** he saw when he watched the game, nor what he heard when listening to that clip.

King should do us all a favor and drink as much antifreeze as possible.

He was an actor playing a role, the league needed a rebellious owner. Dude think about it if the NFL wasn’t cool with Davis attitude they would just get rid of him with a scandal. He also won 3 Lombardi’s, he would have stayed at zero if Rozelle really hated him which was BS.

The closest thing that could be legitimate to NFL rigging is the refs. That is the best way to control the outcome. Instruct the refs to throw a flag for PI or holding.

That is way easier than manipulating thousands of players and coaches over the decades.

OK then.

It was all just a role. Somewhere down the line, Al paid heavily for it since the penalty rate spiked after he sued the NFL for the LA move in 1983.

Yeah, HE is the idiot. :rolleyes:

Are you going to stop watching and following the Chiefs?

Explain how that works with the WWE. Explaining how it works there will tell you why it does not in the NFL.

Sure it does. It was a question. If the NFL wasn't rigged then, when did the rigging start?

I saw the Chiefs play like shit in the second half, particularly Mahomes.

The Supreme Court refused to hear the case. The NFL's lawyers didn't say anything about the case because the fan didn't sue the NFL. He sued the New England Patriots and Bill Belichick. The statement that "NONE of the games are legitimate, and no one ever said they were" wasn't used.

Logic dictates that the league started by mobsters so that degenerate gamblers could have something to book on Sunday was never truly on the up and up, but let's just say "rigged" isn't the word.

It's a TV show. It's entertainment. Sporting contests are "rigged".

Since we've proven it's not even legitimate, it's impossible to rig it.

You win. Not rigged

Sir, it went all the way to the Supreme Court, was heard. And the NFL's lawyers did say "fans would still watch even if they knew it was predetermined."

And the NFL agreed.
Look it up.

Only if you kill yourself first.

How has it been proven that it's not legitimate?

No it didn't you deadbeat drug addict

I think the NFL had the 'steer' in with this game. I won't say the 'fix', but I won't argue against it. Three moments in particular where I posit the NFL showed its hand:

1. The flag that was thrown, but wasn't.

The immediately withdrawn personal foul 15 yard penalty for body slamming our player well after the play. It was so blatant, the refs, who were clearly swallowing their whistle to an extreme extent to that point, even relented and threw the flag. Then, after a brief moment, they somehow announce simply and tersely there was "no foul on the play". Immediately, Romo said 'haha good no-call there, that was a flop.'

It was not a flop at all. KC's player got forcefully shoved by a Bengal over another Bengal that was already on the ground, so he couldn't rebalance himself and thus got driven violently into the ground. The player on the ground even grabbed his foot in the process.

The part that stinks the most is how and why that flag got picked up.

2. The late hit flag that wasn't thrown

Hardman returns a punt and gets shoved out of bounds, a long moment passes, the moment grows even longer, then he gets smacked down. It was well after the play, which distinguishes this no-flag from the ones on actual plays. It had to be called; it was textbook. The ref was in position. The fans went nuts; Hardman sprung up not lobbying for a flag, but celebrating the obvious one coming. But crickets from the refs?

3. The fair-catch interference no-call

This sure seemed to me like a blatant, obvious 15 yarder that has to be called. I even fist-pumped right when it happened, as appeared the crowd did as well. Romo argued that it was an acting job, and in super slow-mo I could see his point I suppose (in super slow-mo), but the contact itself was indisputable, and that's the penalty, isn't it? It wasn't particularly soft or incidental contact, and if the ball flies out of our returner's hands as a result of that contact, and the Bengals pick it up for the instant free TD, what happens then? TD for the Bengals, perhaps? Or do they slow it down on replay to determine if Hardman had possession before the hit jarred the ball loose...on a friggin' fair catch?

These three plays are the plays I'm throwing my own flag on above all the rest.

Why are you so upset about this loss when you know it's rigged/not legitimate?

Getting apoplectic over something you know is fake and pre-determined?

My point was, no one was asking that question since the NFL was basically a regional league with no popularity unlike its current status.

In other words, you don't actually believe your own words. You know it's not rigged, and you'll be eagerly watching next season.

The league wasn't started by mobsters. We have the list of owners and people present at the meeting in Canton. It was full of team owners trying to keep escalating salaries that chain jumping players generated which plagued pro football.

Mobsters liked making money. Pro football in the 1920s didn't make money. It barely eked an existence. College football made the money. That is where the mobsters gambled.