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BigRedChief 02-02-2022 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 16128067)
You're a ****ing idiot.

His coach told him to.

That's why they got into a fight at halftime and Patrick played DUMB as ****.

THE NFL RIGS THEIR OWN GAMES.

2 COACHES CAME OUT AND ADMITTED AS MUCH TODAY.

Maybe you missed that news...

Awwww come on man. Reid told Mahomes to throw the game at halftime? :)

Step away from the ledge.

kcbubb 02-02-2022 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 16128052)
But do you really believe that?

Do you believe that he just...missed 3 open receivers on one play? YES, HE WAS AFRAID OF A TIPPED PASS FROM THE SPY LB. Forgot to throw the ball out of bounds to keep from being sacked? HE WANTED TO RUN CLOCK AND LEAVE THE BENGALS WITH NO TIME, WHICH IS WHAT HAPPENED.

Forgot how to audible to a run when faced with 3 down linemen? ANDY AND MAHOMES DONT RUN THE BALL,THATS ALWAYS BEEN A PROBLEM.

Seriously...the amount of fail to hit at once for that to happen was spectacular. AMEN AND AGREED BUT PAT DIDN’T GO CRAZY, HAVE A CONCUSSION OR GET BRIBED. HE WAS JUST PUTTING TO MUCH PRESSURE ON HIMSELF TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE OUTCOME OF THE GAME. I do think he was tired from running around so much and from the adrenaline and maybe that lead to him wanting to play it safe also after mistakes earlier in the game.

See answers above and mahomes didn’t hand that ball off on second down because he would have scored and he didn’t want to score. I think mahomes and Andy disagreed on the game so mahomes ran the play but didn’t want to score on 2nd bc it leave the bengals with too much time. Third down at the end, he’s afraid of a tipped pass. He had a spy LB that could have tipped the pass over the middle, not likely to actually happen but that’s what he feared.

Hammock Parties 02-02-2022 10:42 PM

So if the game was rigged, why did Mahomes even bother tying it? LMAO

kcbubb 02-02-2022 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 16124161)
Going through 2nd half now.

1st possession

Tyreek drop. Kelce drop.

2nd possession

Mahomes overthrows Pringle by a half yard on third down.

3rd possession

Awful INT. It was 2nd and 3 and there were eight guys in the box. They shouldn't have run it here.

4th possession

Dropped screen pass
Mahomes sacked on 3rd and 3

----

Next two possessions are FG (Mahomes missed open guys at end) and OT possession.

This wasn't a playcalling issue. Guys were open. Maybe not on the third and 3 but that will happen once inawhile.

Biggest issue on those four possessions is drops and Mahomes yips.

Our best guys just got beat and didn't do their jobs. That is hard to stomach.

100% agreed but mahomes scores on that 2nd down at the of the game with a pass to hardman if he believes the d will stop them. That equals too much pressure on mahomes. Dline has to be our number 1 focus this off-season. Not wr, rb or anything on offense or even safety. Spags can make it work with a dominant dline and take pressure of mahomes.

rabblerouser 02-02-2022 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 16128088)
So if the game was rigged, why did Mahomes even bother tying it? LMAO

The NFL loves close games at the end, especially in playoffs - national TV. Duh - it's an entertainment spectacle that gets 75% of total revenue via TV money. So, for that reason alone, the NFL obviously told Reid to "do his thing" (just like the COlts game in Jan 2014) and not run any clock to let the Colts - I mean BENGALS - back into the game.

AND after all the OT controversy the week before (cries of "it's not fair!") it really shut the detractors of the OT rules right the **** up.

Was it true that Mahomes threw that interception 13 seconds into overtime?

I don't knpw, but didn't you find it odd that they basically forgot how to play...until they HAD to tie it...and then they forgot how to play again?

Mahomes last 5 plays were something like :
sack
sack/fumble
incomplete pass
almost intercepted
intercepted

come on, even Matt Cassel didn't suck that bad.

Given Mahomes demeanor, I'd lay dollars to donuts that the argument between Reid and Mahomes had something to do with following orders to tank the game, and Mahomes probably didn't like that shit one little bit.

It's makes way more sense than ANYTHING anyone else has conjectured, and since we now know for a fact that NFL coaches are involved in the rigging of games, we can logically surmise that that is indeed exactly what happened.

rabblerouser 02-02-2022 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Graystoke (Post 16124259)
Rerun Riggers please leave.
If its rigged why watch?
Take your low IQ and GTFO

Well, if you don't want to open the door to talk about rigging, I would advise not bringing it up today. Or at all.

suzzer99 02-03-2022 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16123862)
Listening to Times Ours and I agree with their analysis. That horrible INT put him into a frantic state. That pick effectively tied the game.

He effectively went full Alex and played not to lose, which explains why he was holding onto the ball.

Then in OT he did the same thing on that first play. Then it was miscommunication. Then he knew if they punted it was over so he took a shot and it cost us.

And we probably lose if we punt anyway. Like 20 extra yards of field position that the Bengals would just chew up running the ball into our once again gassed defense.

-King- 02-03-2022 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 16128097)
The NFL loves close games at the end, especially in playoffs - national TV. Duh - it's an entertainment spectacle that gets 75% of total revenue via TV money. So, for that reason alone, the NFL obviously told Reid to "do his thing" (just like the COlts game in Jan 2014) and not run any clock to let the Colts - I mean BENGALS - back into the game.

AND after all the OT controversy the week before (cries of "it's not fair!") it really shut the detractors of the OT rules right the **** up.

Was it true that Mahomes threw that interception 13 seconds into overtime?

I don't knpw, but didn't you find it odd that they basically forgot how to play...until they HAD to tie it...and then they forgot how to play again?

Mahomes last 5 plays were something like :
sack
sack/fumble
incomplete pass
almost intercepted
intercepted

come on, even Matt Cassel didn't suck that bad.

Given Mahomes demeanor, I'd lay dollars to donuts that the argument between Reid and Mahomes had something to do with following orders to tank the game, and Mahomes probably didn't like that shit one little bit.

It's makes way more sense than ANYTHING anyone else has conjectured, and since we now know for a fact that NFL coaches are involved in the rigging of games, we can logically surmise that that is indeed exactly what happened.

The NFL also loves money. Mahomes melting down for a whole half doesn't make them any money. If they were going to rig the game it would have been a shoot out with Burrow coming out on top.

DRM08 02-03-2022 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 16128172)
The NFL also loves money. Mahomes melting down for a whole half doesn't make them any money. If they were going to rig the game it would have been a shoot out with Burrow coming out on top.

The point spread was 7. So the game tightening the way it did absolutely made an enormous amount of money for anyone who put big money on the final score being closer than 7 points.

rabblerouser 02-03-2022 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 16128172)
The NFL also loves money. Mahomes melting down for a whole half doesn't make them any money. If they were going to rig the game it would have been a shoot out with Burrow coming out on top.

Had to get to the tie before they could get to any "shootout", first of all.

The game was rigged with the exact same script used for the ****ing Colts loss in Jan 2014 and the Titans loss in Jan 2018.

Seen it before. Maybe you missed those games, idk.

But the shit is rigged. We know that now. There's absolute proof, as long as you believe Jerry Rice, Tim Brown, Dwight Smith, Brian Flores, Hue Jackson, etc...

BlackOp 02-03-2022 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 16128172)
The NFL also loves money. Mahomes melting down for a whole half doesn't make them any money. If they were going to rig the game it would have been a shoot out with Burrow coming out on top.

You dont understand how the over/under and point spread work.

75% on the money was on the game being over 54.5 points. 67% was on KC winning by 7.5 or more.

There were only two games to bet on...so there was shit-ton of cash riding on this game.

If the NFL wanted Burrow in the SB...Mahomes cant score a TD before halftime. The point total would, then, have be 57 or greater for the Bengals to win...KC 28 Bengals 30

They would lose millions and millions.

Math is your friend...Mahomes HAD to go dark.

rabblerouser 02-03-2022 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 16128208)
You dont understand how the over/under and point spread work.

75% on the money was on the game being over 54.5 points. 67% was on KC winning by 7.5 or more.

There were only two games to bet on...so there was shit-ton of cash riding on this game.

If the NFL wanted Burrow in the SB...Mahomes cant score a TD before halftime. The point total would, then, have be 57 or greater for the Bengals to win...KC 28 Bengals 30

They would lose millions and millions.

Math is your friend...Mahomes HAD to go dark.

The orders came in at halftime - stand the **** down.

And Mahomes was visibly not happy about it. At all.

None of us should be.

BlackOp 02-03-2022 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 16128217)
The orders came in at halftime - stand the **** down.

And Mahomes was visibly not happy about it. At all.

None of us should be.

I'm curious if Mahomes played too well in the first half...and that's where the confrontation stemmed from.

It would have hung Reid out to dry as KC could only score around 3 more points...they couldn't score another TD for the remainder of the game.

So either Mahomes was "informed" of this at half...which I doubt considering how the half ended with no points...or it was staged theatrics for the LR.

There was talk of Mahomes getting into with Reid over a 1st half timeout...which make absolutely no sense...at all...completely out of character for something inconsequential. Might have been a set-up....it is legit sketchy behavior. I've never seen Mahomes do anything close to that...

There is the issue of Mecole asking why Pat wasnt throwing him the ball...I'm curious if the all 22 confirms this.

I tried to check on Chris Simms breakdown of this game...and interestingly...there isnt one yet. If they dont do a segment on it...then you know it's a cover up. If he does...it will be very interesting on what he says.

This OP segment only cover the final sequence...

rabblerouser 02-03-2022 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 16128221)

So either Mahomes was "informed" of this at half...which I doubt considering how the half ended with no points...or it was staged theatrics for the LR.

Curious - what does LR stand for?

rabblerouser 02-03-2022 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 16128221)
I'm curious if Mahomes played too well in the first half...and that's where the confrontation stemmed from.

It would have hung Reid out to dry as KC could only score around 3 more points...they couldn't score another TD for the remainder of the game.

That makes sense, actually - that's why Mahomes literally ran around like a chicken with his head cut off through out the 2nd half, just staring down open receivers and taking sacks - the Keystone Kops shit I keep referencing.

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Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 16128221)

So either Mahomes was "informed" of this at half...which I doubt considering how the half ended with no points...or it was staged theatrics for the LR.

There was talk of Mahomes getting into with Reid over a 1st half timeout...which make absolutely no sense...at all...completely out of character for something inconsequential. Might have been a set-up....it is legit sketchy behavior. I've never seen Mahomes do anything close to that...

It was all so, so sketchy. Which is why Mahomes ACTED like he wanted to throw another pass...and Reid ACTED like he agreed...but Reid called a play where Tyreek's route was 6 yards behind the LOS..and Patrick threw it right to him...

Maybe...and this is me spitballing...maybe the argument at halftime was because Tyreek was stopped one yard from the goalline - maybe they got too close to actually scoring, and Reid wanted him to tone it down a bit?
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Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 16128221)
There is the issue of Mecole asking why Pat wasnt throwing him the ball...I'm curious if the all 22 confirms this.

I don't know anything about that - what did Mecole say?
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Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 16128221)
I tried to check on Chris Simms breakdown of this game...and interestingly...there isnt one yet. If they dont do a segment on it...then you know it's a cover up. If he does...it will be very interesting on what he says.

This OP segment only cover the final sequence...

It's those things that make you go "hmmmmm..."

BlackOp 02-03-2022 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 16128225)
Curious - what does LR stand for?

Locker room...

I cant get past Mahomes getting into it with Reid over a TO on the sideline...in the first half.

That is out of the ordinary behavior...and a red flag.

rabblerouser 02-03-2022 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 16128231)
Locker room...

I cant get past Mahomes getting into it with Reid over a TO on the sideline...in the first half.

That is out of the ordinary behavior...and a red flag.

Well, it could be "staged theatrics" as you put it...or there may have been another issue where "Timeout" was being used as a code word.

Who knows? Disappearing down the rabbit hole with that one (rabbitarouser) - but I get what you're saying about the red flag - those guys are all usually so in sync and on the same page and TRUSTING each other.

DRM08 02-03-2022 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 16128231)
Locker room...

I cant get past Mahomes getting into it with Reid over a TO on the sideline...in the first half.

That is out of the ordinary behavior...and a red flag.

The blown timeout was their first drive of the game. Cincy got the ball first, so it did seem pretty important to have 3 timeouts at the end of the 2nd quarter. Sure enough the lost timeout became a problem on the short possession to end the half.

BlackOp 02-03-2022 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 16128238)
The blown timeout was their first drive of the game. Cincy got the ball first, so it did seem pretty important to have 3 timeouts at the end of the 2nd quarter. Sure enough the lost timeout became a problem on the short possession to end the half.

I mean...really? Enough to start the AFCCG with a sideline confrontation? Mahomes has never done anything like this...I could see being taken out of the game in the 4th quarter or something.

But to your point...VERY interesting how this timeout came into the mix. Did Mahomes use a TO on that final drive? If so...he ABSOLUTELY knew how many were left...and to top it off...he knew because he had a situation with Reid over it in the first quarter...then he signals for one after the final play....just theater.

I've learned to start with the money...then track backwards...and keep note of things that are abnormal. This will get you closer to the truth...

All this erratic behavior is because they were being forced to do something unnatural...

rabblerouser 02-03-2022 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 16128240)
I mean...really? Enough to start the AFCCG with a sideline confrontation? Mahomes has never done anything like this...I could see being taken out of the game in the 4th quarter or something.

But to your point...VERY interesting how this timeout came into the mix. Did Mahomes use a TO on that final drive? If so...he ABSOLUTELY knew how many were left...and to top it off...he knew because he had a situation with Reid over it in the first quarter...then he signals for one after the final play....just theater.

I've learned to start with the money...then track backwards...and keep note of things that are abnormal. This will get you closer to the truth...

All this erratic behavior is because they were being forced to do something unnatural...

I literally said today that, after all the football I've watched in my life, anytime that abnormal shit starts happening, I go on high alert. It's a sign.

The way that first half ended, I just knew...and then they came out flat in the second half...and I deflated. The PTSD of getting jobbed came flying back.

Tried to push it out of my mind - "we have Mahomes, it's different now" I tried to tell myself.

rabblerouser 02-03-2022 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 16122700)
Hardman, Kelce or Pringle.

He just missed them. Period.

ROFL

Bullshit.

"Why doesn't he make that throw to the front pylon? He's made that throw many times. The tape doesn't lie - if he throws that quick out, it's a TD."

Holy shit, he was staring at a wide open Kelce on the fumble play!

Both plays at the end of regulation, Patrick had touchdowns and decided to eat the ****ing ball.

Both times.

The tape don't lie.

stevegroganfan 02-03-2022 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 16122745)
Teams leading by 8 points in conference championships are 82-3 all time. Thats some serious fail.

To be fair to Mahomes, in modern high scoring nfl makes it easier to lose big lead. Even fairly new 2 point conversion makes it easier to comeback.

rabblerouser 02-03-2022 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 16128071)
Awwww come on man. Reid told Mahomes to throw the game at halftime? :)

Step away from the ledge.

You're right, it was obviously before halftime. That sequence at the end of the half was just bizarre.

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Originally Posted by stevegroganfan (Post 16128250)
To be fair to Mahomes, in modern high scoring nfl makes it easier to lose big lead. Even fairly new 2 point conversion makes it easier to comeback.

It wasn't Mahomes fault that Reid didn't run the clock to shorten the game.

Belichick would have had McD run the ball at 5.7 yards a clip between the center and guards until the safeties cheated up to stop that shit, and by then, there would be a lot less time on the clock, amirite?

ARROW2 02-03-2022 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 16128246)
ROFL

Bullshit.

"Why doesn't he make that throw to the front pylon? He's made that throw many times. The tape doesn't lie - if he throws that quick out, it's a TD."

Holy shit, he was staring at a wide open Kelce on the fumble play!

Both plays at the end of regulation, Patrick had touchdowns and decided to eat the ****ing ball.

Both times.

The tape don't lie.



That, the end of half, the OT and the blatant no calls. But I know what my eyes saw and you know Mahomes usually fires a dart in those instances, no hesitation. I could see if he was under duress and didn't see the receivers, he looked RIGHT AT THEM.

ARROW2 02-03-2022 06:22 AM

Watching us take a dive has changed everything for me forever.

SuperBowl4 02-03-2022 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by comochiefsfan (Post 16122741)
Mahomes sideline demeanor was disturbing to me at times this season.

Remember this?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&quot;Let’s do something special. They’re already counting us the f--k out.&quot; - <a href="https://twitter.com/PatrickMahomes?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@PatrickMahomes</a> on the sideline down 24-0 <br><br>Chiefs dropped 41 points unanswered after.<br><br>That fire ��<br><br>(via <a href="https://twitter.com/NFLFilms?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@NFLFilms</a>)<a href="https://t.co/tKmz7VLbSA">pic.twitter.com/tKmz7VLbSA</a></p>&mdash; B/R Gridiron (@brgridiron) <a href="https://twitter.com/brgridiron/status/1217154066968727553?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 14, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Or this?

https://www.golfdigest.com/content/d...ck-mahomes.png

Or even this?

https://chiefswire.usatoday.com/wp-c...0&h=600&crop=1

Now we get him pouting on the bench by himself when the chips are down?

WTF?

Like is this all theater? That's the best explanation I can think of.

For a guy's play to drastically change is one thing. For his entire personality and demeanor to change is downright bizarre.

What the **** happened to him?

Money and Fame. David Bowie wrote a song about it. "Is it any wonder you are too cool to fool - FAME - FAME - FAME - FAME - Bully for you, Chilly for me - Got to get a rain check on pain (PAIN)"

KINGPIN CHIEFS FAN 02-03-2022 07:22 AM

Too many things happened in the game to chalk it up to having a bad half. We were unstoppable in the first half until the last series. We moved the ball effortlessly on the game tying drive at the end of regulation. Mahomes throws an interception to a lineman that's standing right in front of him. We run out of bounds twice when we're trying to run the clock down at the end of regulation. Championship teams don't do these things unless they have been instructed to do so. Now that the NFL is in bed with the gambling enterprises there will never be a game played in the NFL that you can confidently predict the outcome. Whenever big money is involved fair play goes out the window!

SuperBowl4 02-03-2022 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 16128238)
The blown timeout was their first drive of the game. Cincy got the ball first, so it did seem pretty important to have 3 timeouts at the end of the 2nd quarter. Sure enough the lost timeout became a problem on the short possession to end the half.

It wouldn't have been a problem if they had just kicked a FG with 3 seconds left going into halftime and a 14 point lead.

SuperBowl4 02-03-2022 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by KINGPIN CHIEFS FAN (Post 16128299)
Too many things happened in the game to chalk it up to having a bad half. We were unstoppable in the first half until the last series. We moved the ball effortlessly on the game tying drive at the end of regulation. Mahomes throws an interception to a lineman that's standing right in front of him. We run out of bounds twice when we're trying to run the clock down at the end of regulation. Championship teams don't do these things unless they have been instructed to do so. Now that the NFL is in bed with the gambling enterprises there will never be a game played in the NFL that you can confidently predict the outcome. Whenever big money is involved fair play goes out the window!

This. Million$ are on the line.

suzzer99 02-03-2022 11:33 AM

So is every single thread about the game going to be completely taken over by the crowd that thinks our $500M QB literally got a call from Guido just before halftime to throw the game? How does that work? Do the mobsters have direct access to his earpiece? Or maybe a secret phone on the sidelines? Or did he get a game script before the game? And no one's ever leaked any of this process even though it's been going on for decades. Ok, sure.

You guys need meds. All of you.

Can we maybe have one thread to discuss rational ideas w/o being bombarded with this idiocy? Have the mods just given up on containing this shit?

KChiefs1 02-04-2022 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 16122781)
That’s tough to watch.


Disgusting


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Direckshun 02-05-2022 07:52 AM

On my phone:

https://youtu.be/WA7GGELglXs

-King- 02-05-2022 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 16128221)
I'm curious if Mahomes played too well in the first half...and that's where the confrontation stemmed from.

It would have hung Reid out to dry as KC could only score around 3 more points...they couldn't score another TD for the remainder of the game.

Wouldn't it be easier for Mahomes to play as normal and for the refs to help the Bengals out? Call a few holding penalties when we're on offense and defensive holdings on pass interference?


I mean, you guys go on and on about how refs rig games, wouldn't that be easier and be better for the league overall than having it's #1 money maker play like a pumpkin for a half


How can you "play too well" in a game that's rigged LMAO

RunKC 02-05-2022 03:03 PM

The truth is both QB’s did not play well I. The 2nd half. I totally forgot about that horrible pass that Bolton should have picked.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In the 4th Q of a tie game, Burrow threw a horrific pick and, after his defense saved him, tried to throw an even worse one 2 plays later. <br><br>Burrow is a smart/excellent QB, the point here is about how stupid these &quot;Mahomes isn&#39;t smart but Burrow is&quot; takes are. Bad plays happen. <a href="https://t.co/yWaRq5BQkh">https://t.co/yWaRq5BQkh</a> <a href="https://t.co/6Hj5Dj3QUc">pic.twitter.com/6Hj5Dj3QUc</a></p>&mdash; Seth Keysor (@RealMNchiefsfan) <a href="https://twitter.com/RealMNchiefsfan/status/1489980178071646209?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 5, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

seamonster 02-05-2022 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 16132179)
Wouldn't it be easier for Mahomes to play as normal and for the refs to help the Bengals out? Call a few holding penalties when we're on offense and defensive holdings on pass interference?


I mean, you guys go on and on about how refs rig games, wouldn't that be easier and be better for the league overall than having it's #1 money maker play like a pumpkin for a half


How can you "play too well" in a game that's rigged LMAO

Because it wasn't rigged, it was thrown.

SuperBowl4 02-05-2022 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by comochiefsfan (Post 16122853)
Easily the weirdest part of the whole ordeal to me.

These guys are confident fiery leaders. And they just checked out with a double digit lead in the biggest game of the season.

There's a story to be figured out here, and props to any journalist who can uncover it.

So. Freaking. Bizarre.

I consider myself a "journalist". This is the YEAR OF THE TIGER, Chinese Zodiac. Bengals win the Super Bowl because of this.


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