Not sure how Cine is in coverage but his tape looks good. He’s not making business decisions like Tyrann did

Cine is a guy I would love see in red and gold. Was hoping we would get a chance at him in the second but his combine performance shot a hole in that boat.

According to the reports I’ve read, Cine does have some opportunity to grow in pass coverage. Here is an excerpt for the Bleacher Report for what it’s worth:

“When playing the pass, Cine is more than capable of holding his own in man coverage. A smooth pedal paired with quick feet allows him to get out of breaks with decent speed. When in man coverage, he occasionally guesses the route and squats on routes. Further into it, he shows good timing and technique when breaking up passes. As a deep safety in zone coverage, he does a very good job playing the quarterback. His pedal allows him to gain ground, while his fluid hips allow him to open and run, and his ball skills allow him to attack it in the air.

Also, Cine reportedly made all the calls and got everybody into position as the communicator on that Georgia defense.

Alright, then I'm out on Cine.

Because so help me God if I have to hear anything else about how important {insert mediocre player here} is because he 'lines everyone up on the defense' right before they forget to put 11 ****ing guys on the field, I'll lose my mind.

LMAO

I just thought it’s an interesting note considering he’d be replacing Tyrann. Certainly seemed like communication was an issue when he wasn’t on the field.

Brisker vs. Cine - who you got?

For me, Brisker.

I think he's a better coverage player; more in the FS mold. And while I respect Cine's physical tools and willingness to get physical, I just trend more towards the rangier safeties than the physical ones.

And Brisker isn't someone who shies away from contact in his own right.

I wouldn't draft either of them (won't take one in the first; won't be there in the 2nd), but if I had to choose one or the other, I'd take Brisker.

Cine for me.

1. Hill
2. Cine
3. Brisker
4. Pitre

Hill…Cine…Pitre…Brisker

But, I also have a bit of a hard time taking anyone of those in the 1st.

I feel like this thread will be useless in a month bc Veach is gonna go full Veach mode and trade the pick again

Nah, I think a trade up or down is much more likely.

Yep, and tackling was an issue when he was on the field.

I'll be extremely disappointed if Mathieu plays another game for us. That's not the type of roster move you make when you're paying a franchise QB.

I'd love to see a guy like Cine take his place.

Oh hell yes this...

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To be honest though, George Karlaftis, Purdue if not available Dax Hill, Michigan. Second and third rounds should be interesting. Depends on what we do prior to the draft.

NFLDraftBuzz.com has extremely high praise for Cam Thomas: 89.6 Grade


SCOUTING REPORT: STRENGTHS

Faced multiple double and triple teams throughout his career and still managed to put up great pass-rushing numbers. At times he was simply un-blockable
Has elite hand speed and is equally impressive disengaging from offensive tackles.

Has a pro-ready bag of pass-rush skills --an impressive spin move and an even more dominating bull rush.

Very good athlete with great size, length, and elite pass rush moves to make an ideal 4-3 defensive end

Handles himself against bigger tackles when moving outside to prevent an edge rush he has the speed and quickness to counter inside with an elite-level swim move.

He is a TFL demon as he blows up run plays on a regular basis.

Offers impressive versatility - plays as a 0, 3, 5, and 7 technique and rushes from a two-and three-point stance with the playing speed to stand up in space.

Flashes strength as a bull rusher and his energy doesn't plateau.

Flashes nimble feet to chase running backs and mobile quarterbacks to the sideline when lined up at end.

Spins off blocks to get back into the play.

Has fluid footwork to redirect, reverse momentum and close with a burst.

Regularly first off the ball with good snap anticipation.

Easily gains inside leverage by shooting gaps.

Smart player with a high football IQ and an amazing none stop motor.

Possesses accurate snap anticipation and timing to beat blockers off the edge.


SCOUTING REPORT: WEAKNESSES

Never out of a play, but can get out of control and work himself away from the action.

Is a very good athlete but not quite as quick twitch as you would ideally look for and doesn't have the elite speed of a perfect edge rusher.

Can burn himself out in games - and seems to visibly tire in the fourth quarter of games.

Stands up well against the run but is very pursuit-conscious and will take unneeded wide angles.

Plays tall and gets upright off the snap. Wins with upper-body strength and needs to focus on leverage.


SCOUTING REPORT: SUMMARY

Cameron Thomas is rocketing up draft boards at the moment and with good reason, he's athletic with an incredible set of pass-rushing that terrify offensive linemen. He has no major weakness to his game that can't be worked out and therefore we are very high on him. His ceiling is at the all-pro/pro-bowler level with his floor a solid NFL starter. To us, he looks bust-proof.

Cameron Thomas is worthy of a mid-first-round selection in the 2022 NFL Draft and should be considered in the same class as Thibodeaux, Hutchinson, and Karlaftis.

NFL.com gave him a 6.19 on a scale of 10. " Good backup with starter potential

I really like paschal. He looks quick and strong, uses his hands well.

Yikes.

Engabare is a similar sort of player.

Not sure he managed to test himself into the late 3rd, but he may be worth moving up for if he's still there in the mid-3rd. I don't know that I'd jump in the 2nd, though the rest of the draft could change my mind.

Very much a pure SDE sort of player. Not terribly dynamic but technically sound and powerful. Good punch, good plan as a pass-rusher. Not a terribly high ceiling but probably a good floor and solid contributor fairly early on.

And as I've said elsewhere, a 'pure' SDE would really free us up to target a dedicated edge rusher elsewhere and lean into those under fronts that can free up your weakside DE to make some noise.

Hell, given the state of our DL, we may even be better served w/ a 3-4 sort of alignment next season. It would be easier to find a stand-up edge rusher at OLB than a strict 3-down DE. And if you have Ingram back, he can do that job and probably even kick down to a 3-tech at this stage of his career. We know Jones can make an impact as a 3-tech and Nnadi would be an adequate 0.

So many speedy, undersized rushers coming out these days that it seems it would be advantageous to switch back to a 3-4. There are also a lot of 3-4 LBs composing the top 20 of sack leaders.

That said, most teams run the majority of plays out of 4-2-5 nickel alignments over the past couple of seasons, rendering a base front relatively moot.

With a guy like KC has in Chris Jones who can be a multiple player at either 5T or SDE, it would seem the benefit would be in running 4 man under and over fronts in a 4-2-5 base.

This is where I get the idea that playing Gay as the SAM could be a huge benefit for the Chiefs. In that under front, you could send him instead of your WDE at times, similar in operation to a 3-4, where his size and athleticism should allow him to generate pressure. When you pop into an under front, he plays back in space like he does now.

This would let you take a guy like Arnold Ebiketie, Drake Jackson, Nik Bonitto, and so forth to play WDE early without worrying as much about size since alignment will be wider much of the time. You end up being able to run kind of a multiple defense without much change in personnel.

I think we're going to see some teams break out a true 3-3-5 as a base sometime in the near future.

But with more traditional even front "LE" types as the ends (rather than the beefier Es you usually see in a 34). The SAM backer is a traditional odd front OLB (bigger, good at rushing the passer, more of a RE in a traditional even front) and you're rolling with your coverage sideline-to-sideline MIKE and a WILL who also has pass rush traits.

basically, adapting a 34 to match up better in the passing game by putting an extra DB on the field instead of the "THUMPER" downhill-only MLB.

And just like that, every safety but 1 is off the board.

I’m going to leave Dax Hill in, because drafting him could allow you to move Sneed outside to replace Ward, and just gives your entire secondary more flexibility.

I doubt he’d be the pick, but I still wouldn’t write him off completely because of his versatility and value at 30.

I think we'll see more teams go back to big physical offensive sets and just gash these types of sets though. This always seems cyclical and it seems we're nearing the point where teams rush alot.

It's just so damn hard to do that well, especially over the course of a 17 game season AND a post-season.

I mean if there were a dozen teams in the NFL like the Titans and a half dozen teams like the Chiefs, wouldn't you still bank on one of the half dozen teams like the Chiefs to win it?

It's a work around with having or not having the QB.

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Wyatt definitely picking up steam at the end of the 1st. He’s a baller.

He also has opened my mind up to DT in general. Think he or Jones from UConn may be the best values at 30.

Wyatt, if we get him, would go along way to fixing this defensive line.

Is he gonna fall to around our pick? Figured he’d be a top 25 player

Reposting this here:
Curious why these two aren't on our radar at the bottom of the 1st?


5. KINGSLEY ENAGBARE, SOUTH CAROLINA
BIG BOARD RANK: 26
Enagbare isn’t a spectacular athlete but wins with his elite length and hand usage, so much so that he’s barely behind the likes of Aidan Hutchinson with a 92.4 pass-rushing grade this season.


7. ARNOLD EBEKETIE, PENN STATE
BIG BOARD RANK: 37
Ebiketie transferred from Temple to Penn State and proved his production from 2020 was no fluke. He beat up on quality tackles en route to a 90.5 pass-rushing grade and 52 pressures.


...PFF Top 10 Edge Rushers

Love it!

How about Devonte Wyatt or De'Marvin Leal at #30 + Ingram? Add a designated Pass-Rusher later in the draft and that'd be pretty solid.

Clark, (Wyatt/Leal), Jones, Ingram + (Williams/Pascal/Bonito/Malone/Isaiah/Barno) + Danna & Kaindoh

Wyatt:
https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/...att-DT-Georgia

Leal:
https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/...-DL-TexasAANDM

Ingram would be pretty cheap and the above allows us to spend our potential $34m in cap space after restructure/extensions elsewhere, how about L'eal Collins & A Rob? Those two FAs would allow us to focus on D in the draft, we could fill in the secondary and LB Core with the rest of our picks.

Maybe Veach wants to trade up. My guess is that you would want to get up in front of the Raiders. Maybe our 1st and comp 3rd this year plus another 3rd next year?

I’m not trying to be controversial here but I like Travis Jones more than Devonte Wyatt. I think some of you guys should look at this kid.

He’s about 20 lbs heavier than Chris Jones and had an insanely good 7.33 3 cone and 4.58 20 yard shuttle time. That’s really goddamn good compared to Chris Jones 7.44 3 cone and 4.62 20 yard shuttle.

Kid has elite length, very good strength in his legs and produced well. He’s already getting mocked into the first rd.

I think he’d be incredible next to Chris Jones

Pretty sure I’ve mocked him to the Raiders more often than not.

I agree that’s our biggest stumbling block.

I get it, and thinking about it, Travis Jones may be a better immediate fit for KC than Wyatt.

He's capable of playing the nose and handling double-teams while still being an impactful guy as a pass rusher. Wyatt's skill set lines up more with Chris Jones' than a guy who can handle the nose.

I think there's a good chance one of the two is on the board at 30 for KC, and I am beginning to think more and more there's a great chance KC goes that direction and tries to move up in Round 2 for the edge rusher.

I really like Wyatt, Leal or Jones at 30 better than any Edge likely available at that slot.

Not anymore...

Honestly, outside of Buffalo, I don’t really see a threat anywhere else to take him (unless the Chargers do it at 17).

We have a much better shot than I thought we did with the Raiders out of the equation.

Eagles are a HUGE threat now. 3 firsts and they've made clear their intentions with Cox. Sure, he's coming back, but he's not long for that squad.

You mentioned Buffalo. I think TB has to go G but he'd be a nice fit there. And again, I mentioned the Titans and if he's there and I'm a guy like Vrabel with the identity that team has, MAN it would be hard to not bring that monster in.

Him alongside Simmons is just terrifying.

Yea, the Eagles, Titans, and Bucs are definitely the most possible outside of the Bills, but I see them going in a different direction.

I think the Eagles go WR/EDGE/CB, IOL for the Bucs, and the Titans could go many different ways.

Like last year, concerning the OL but inverse

IDGAF, If it's DTs or Edge players. I want players that like Raping QBs raw and dry

Yeup.

DL needs the same treatment the OL got last year.

But it's fair to point out that last year we firmed up one of the holes on our line by signing arguably the best G in the game. Then firmed up another by trading for one of the better young LTs in the game.

We didn't just attack it in the draft.

And right now that appears to be the gameplan.

A guy I haven’t heard shit about lately? Arnold Ebiketie. He’s being overshadowed by all of these athletic freaks at DE.

Little to no 1st round buzz for him at this point.

Boye Mafe on the other hand…

I really don’t like that he’s going to be a 24 year old rookie, but there’s no denying that he’s the most freakish of the guys in our range, and that means we probably love him.

I.don't get the Maye hype. He's explosive but wasn't massively productive and still seems raw. Seems like a high ceiling but lower floor type.He does seem like one of the better DEs that might be left at 30, but it feels a rich pick.

Mafe, not Maye obviously

Seems likely that GB will pick a 1st RD WR now, could limit our options there

The Athletic's college football staff has Connecticut DL Travis Jones being mocked to the Green Bay Packers in the 2022 NFL Draft.

It's worth noting that this mock came out days before Davante Adams was traded to the Raiders, but Jones has gained steam since the Senior Bowl. After a reportedly dominant Senior Bowl performance, Jone followed things up with a 4.92 40-yard dash and a 28.5-inch vertical. Jones also displayed great agility, tying for the top three-cone performance with a 7.33 time. Green Bay has needs along the defensive line to adjust and two first round picks to use. While receiver may be the top-priority following the trade of Adams, Jones sneaking into the first round isn't all that farfetched.

Kind of feels like this list will get cut down to EDGE and DT at this rate, but after weeks of thinking we were going to take a LT last year, I’m going to wait.

With the league now at 17 games and a strong likelihood of not getting the 1 seed (can’t get it every year) we will likely play what amount to 2 more real games.

No more week 16 games off bc the division is stronger. I think that means we need to stack our pass rush and have capable backups in line for a strong rotation

I don't want to do a mock right now but here's what I'm thinking about...

Grab Rasheem Greene as a free agent SDE to put opposite Clark right now.
Grab whatever WR you like most left, maybe JuJu, on the cheap.

In the draft...
1. Travis Jones or Devonte Wyatt, whoever is there (hoping that one is). If neither is, go with Raimann and put him at RT this year, could move to LT next year.
2. Grab Sean Rhyan at RT and finish that OLine. Going to need to be better at RT going forward. If you go Raimann in 1, grab a DT here like Mathis.
3. Go after a pass rusher, either side. I'm thinking one of Paschal or Williams could be sitting there. Paschal had the malignant melanoma... nothing but the NFL can push guys down for weird reasons, and he's a bit stiff on the edge... Williams for his grab-a-titty.
3. Get a CB. I like Alontae Taylor and Jalen Armour-Davis here.
4. Go pass rusher again, whatever you didn't get in 3. Thinking Dominique Robinson or Amare Barno. Unless 3a and 3b were both pass rushers. The idea is Danna isn't a starter, Clark is out next year, and Kaindoh is a giant unknown. Get someone with measurables that can gain strength this year. You get a good athletic guy at 3a, maybe go with a guy like Clemons here.

I don't think I agree with the Raimann idea after Wyatt or Jones. If you want to grab a RT with one of those 3rd round picks....sure. But I'm not spending a 1st on a RT. I don't care who the other teams have at DE.

I just dont think our tackles are up to Crosby, Jones, Bosa, Mack, Gregory and Chubb twice a season

I’m fairly confident we’re going to get an edge in free agency.

With that in mind… I’d add Ojabo to the list. Where you don’t need him to come in this year. But if he can come in later in the season and provide some 3rd down pass rushing… you will be very happy with the pick

I still really like Demarvin Leal.

With corner… I don’t think there is anyway Sauce Gardner slips. But if Stingley starts to slip to like 20. I’m strongly considering trading up. Otherwise I actually trust Veach to find a cb round 2 and on

WR should still be in the mix with what Davante Adam’s got. We have to ask ourselves if you pay Tyreek 27+ a year to go well into his 30s. Dotson and Jameson still being my favorites

say its J. Davis, T. Jones or A Booth at 30
which way do you go?

Jordan Davis is not going to be there past top 15. The guy's combine was more freakish than Poe's was and there are a lot of teams that need a good nose. Not a chance. I mean, if he's there, it's hard not to take that guy.

I'm okay with Booth. He's a really good off-man and zone corner. I don't like him in press. That ability though, to come downhill is very, very good. He's got the athleticism to stick downfield when he does though.

If I'm choosing between Booth and Jones though, I'm going Jones. I see alot of solid CBs in the top few rounds. There's not a bunch of Jones.

Jones over Booth.

I dig it.

Here is a thought, since we "restructured Frank Clark's contract" can we, trade him and our 1st round pick to the Vikings for Danielle Hunter or to the Commanders for Sweat?

Don't kill me with this idea - just asking if it is do able.

Hard to say, I'll give you the long answer to say not really.

OTC and Spotrac have his contract f'd up right now I think. According to the original reports, he shaved money off the deal but that's not what either site is showing.

His contract was supposed to be converted to a 2-year, $29 million deal with up to $7 million in incentives that could make it worth $36 million. As well, he is supposed to make $1.2 million more than the cap savings that were to be realized.

IIRC, he would have saved 12.7 million in a cut, which means he should be on the cap at 13.9 this year. They have 13.7, so horse a piece on this year in terms of real dollars. Next year is what is ****ed for sure because they have him at $28.675 million. Salary is also rolled into bonus money over the two years as part of their numbers, which is unlikely to have happened.

If the bonus part is correct, then next year's salary figure should be $5,725,000 and makes both years of the contract have negative cap implications if he is cut (I find that unlikely).

The incentives of $7 million, whether spread over both years or not, make me "think" they are wrong on the prorated bonus spread too.

All told, it's really hard to figure out what the implications are until his contract numbers are actually corrected. I would have to guess that trading him this year will absolutely have a negative cap effect, which means that probably isn't on the table either way.

Thanks as always KCCROW - I guess I was trying to think outside the box.

I'm really starting to lean into Devonte Wyatt.

And then maybe a Sam Williams in the second.

I think this is becoming the fanships consensus

Wyatt or Travis Jones round 1
Best DE left round 2, with possible trade up

Any combination of Wyatt/Jones and Sam Williams/Cam Thomas looks pretty outstanding to me.

that would be ideal....do it vetch

That sounds great, and I’d be more than happy with it.

But I think I’d rather have David Ojabo and Logan Hall.

I'm not as sold on Ojabo as you but won't complain about them taking a big swing if it works out.

The Eagles are the team that should be taking advantage of him falling due to injury, though. Or the Jags.

That's the other thought.

If he's there around 25+, the Jags will start working the phones to move up from the 2nd. They could move 33 and 70 and get to about NE's spot.

Gotta figure they start making calls the moment that becomes a realistic possibility. Even sitting pat at 30 would probably see GB or Miami willing to trade their picks right ahead of us to a team that is looking to come grab him.

Let's say you're the Jets and you like him but can't take an injured player at 7 and you think there's a 50/50 chance he makes it to one of your picks in the 2nd.

Okay, you've got 35 and 38 to work with. And you want him in the first anyway because you get that 5th year option and can use this season as something of a red shirt. So you don't even risk not seeing him until 2 because you can use that other 2nd rounder to purchase a red shirt season.

So when Olave isn't there and GB isn't sold on Dotson, you call GB at 22 and you offer 35, 38 and 163 for 22 and 53. Then you take Ojabe and you're probably in a nice spot at 53 to get a nice S or CB option.

I hadn't really thought about that possibility but there's probably a pretty good chance that some team trades ahead of us to grab him from the top of the 2nd. When you're building foundation you draft for upside more than depth and those teams have the time to let him rehab. So why wouldn't you trade a little bit of draft position on guys you're likely looking at as depth pieces anyway for the possibility of grabbing a real blue-chipper.

Has anyone watched dayo odeyingbo for the colts? He tore his Achilles and came back for 10 games. If we could reasonably predict that ojabo could come back healthy, take him at 30 AND Sam Williams in the 2nd? First two picks are edge?

Here's the thing though, as much as I've been pounding the drum for Wyatt he's only accomplished 5 sacks in 4 years of college ball. Is that really the answer for us at Pass Rush?

Meanwhile, a guy like Eyioma Uwazurike had 9 sacks just last season at DT and is going in like the 4th RD, not to mention Demarvin Leal who had 8.5 sacks last year and is likely going in RD 2.

Given the current holes in the roster (knowing that free agency isn't over, though) I'm not really in favor of drafting someone who can't play right away.

Would Winfrey be a huge reach at 30? I really like him a lot

You have to consider what he had around him too. He wasn't going to get sacks in bunches, because he had other studs racing to the QB.

Shouldn't having absolute studs around him increase his stats? AND isn't that sort of the argument for bringing him in next to C Jones, because together they would reak havoc on the opposing team's interior OL together?

I'm losing faith in my 1st round draft crush lol

Mel Kipers latest mock

30. Kansas City Chiefs
George Karlaftis, DE, Purdue

I really like Karlaftis. I watch a lot of B1G football and often he was a man amongst boys.

Would.

To answer the Ojabo question, yes I'd take Karlaftis over Ojabo.

I just don't see a scenario where Karlaftis isn't an 8-10 sack/season guy by 2023. He just has such a high floor.

Maybe not the ceiling of someone like Ojabo but who cares? I'm building my DL around waves of attackers. If you give me 4 guys on that DL that I'm 80% certain will be productive on any given rep, I'll take that over 2 guys who I'm 100% certain will and 2 guys I'm 50% sure might.

I'll take an entire DL of high-floor guys over high ceiling guys w/ low floors.

:bravo:

I just kinda feel like that's maybe where our Brendan Daly disconnect came.

We brought Daly in trying to build the Patriots 'mush rush' sort of approach. Then we put together a stars/scrubs DL.

If you want that Patriots sort of defense where any given player can win at any given time, you're probably not going to be able to have 2 guys making $40 million on the line with a couple of scrubs. But you can have 4 guys making $10 million and you'll get much better results.

Or, in this case, instead of drafting high ceiling guys with higher bust potential, you just focus on the high floor reliable guys. Then you build up the secondary.

That's how BBs done it for awhile now. It's the direction we need to start heading sooner rather than later. And yeah, that means Jones is probably in his last year here...

The issue I have with that is, when it gets nut cutting time in late January, we seem to see year after year you need that one dude. Jones in the Sb, Von and Donald this year etc.

I dunno.