Meh, that part is overblown... Clay is getting shit on in this thread for the fan fiction piece, which deserves being ridiculed on top of how it was handled. The EB rumors weren't even dumped on as most people talked about the possible shreds of truth.

Yeah, threads get derailed and can become dumpster fires, but that's just the nature of being impatient fans wanting to know WTF will happen... it's not like we ever make it a point to tar and feather people for posting rumors.

I think you may have misinterpreted my post...

I appreciate people posting what they hear and most take a ton of shit if it doesnt turn out to be 100% correct. Some of the posters here expect someone to post the actual contract or they must be making it up.

I want to encourage others to post what they hear without the fear of immediately being ganged up on. If a poster turns out to be completely full of shit, it will soon be found out.

You spend much of your life on the Chiefs and know a lot of people around the Chiefs so when you hear something, I appreciate that you share it.

Especially since it usually gets a negative reaction. So Thanks, thats all. LOL

Even that story probably had some truth to it. More than one poster had heard similar things regarding the events.

Yes, they may have taken some liberties and filled in the gaps with speculation but Something happened. We all saw it live.

Thats not the kind of thing the Chiefs want out there and Andy squashed it. Its still possible that something like that happened and was corrected in house and was never supposed to be for public consumption.

Im thinking about the guy that posted Willie Gay got into some legal trouble and was jumped immediately because he didnt know every detail at that instant. By some, not all.

Turned out he was right and luckily it wasnt to serious for Willie.

Im not sure that guy would ever post here again and thats the kind of thing we ought to encourage. We all want that kind of info so take it with a grain of salt and see how it plays out.

i am available for birthday parties and bar mitzvahs

You mean you don't???

ok. Enough is enough.

If we’re being truthful, that list was total horseshit unfounded rumors no better than Nick Athan.

You kept a saying KC is trying to trade up to get Jimmy Clausen. Then we picked Berry and you insisted we kept trying to trade up from our second to get him…till we passed on him again.

That’s just one example and I don’t want to repeat the stuff you said about DJ…I’m not sure a single thing you sent out to that laughable email chain actually being true.

So since you were ground floor of this wasn't the "source" a family member of a player? Wasn't that what was reported?

hold this L bosschief

85 mil up your keester

Mathieu to test market according to Rapsheet.

Well, bye…

Not till it’s signed sealed and delivered, I’m still skeptical about this.

If it ends up being true, it’s proof that Tyreek said to his agent “I don’t want to play anywhere but KC, just get me a good deal that shows -like Pat- that I value being a Chief over getting every penny I can get.

Haven’t we known this since he wasn’t extended?

Gotta love veachs approach so far. the guy loves to frontload his contracts. We end up overpaying guys like frank clark and Anthony hitchens early on but we also find ways to get out of those contracts without a ton of heartburn. Wouldn’t doubt tyreek is being approached the same way. It’s win win. Tyreek gladly takes more money up front and the chiefs have some insurance in case tyreek slows down or gets hurt late in the contract.

At some point you also expect mahomes to throw down his bonus card. I don’t see him doing it for mathieu but I could definitely see him doing it 1 time for kelce or hill. Not this season but maybe the back half of tyreeks contract.. Gives the chiefs WAY more flexibility to turn the back half of tyreeks contract into signing bonus if he continues to perform well against the contract.

and human centipedes

This is my line of thinking as well. This is a tight team and most of these guys are smart enough to realize what they have here.

Grab a couple extra million and sign with the Jets, watch your career slip away taking Ls for a few years OR sign here for a little less and become a Hall of Famer constantly chasing Super Bowls!

You could easily make up that money in the playoffs and endorsements. Having a blast the whole time.

Patrick and Tyreek have a chance to become one of the best if not THE best QB/WR combo EVER!

DAURICE FOUNTAIN just retweeted.

https://twitter.com/Reece_JMM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> WR Tyreek Hill is expected to sign a 4-year, $85 million extension this offseason, per PFN.<a href="https://t.co/4jbn32HBeH">https://t.co/4jbn32HBeH</a><a href="https://t.co/PF9nMPcHPo">pic.twitter.com/PF9nMPcHPo</a></p>&mdash; Dov Kleiman (@NFL_DovKleiman) <a href="https://twitter.com/NFL_DovKleiman/status/1500166395039997956?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 5, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Clay would probably pay money to be the last link in the centipede.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">we came a long way thank you chiefs kingdom I’m forever indebted ❤️</p>&mdash; Ty Hill (@cheetah) <a href="https://twitter.com/cheetah/status/1502810356611272706?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 13, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The replies to that tweet about gave me a heart attack this morning.

Looks like HS number being retired

So how much cap space will this free up?

Can you tap dance in those clown shoes?

The trade for Metcalf is coming any day now . . . . .

Jeez, when are they gonna do something here?

Devantes contract must have thrown a wrench in this

It shouldn't too much. Without all the fluff it's about what most people are expecting Hill to get.

After seeing the breakdown of the deal a day or so ago, I’d give Hill a carbon copy of that deal right now.

That 4 year, 85 mil. deal for Reek coming any day now . . . . . . right . . . . . . . . . . . right?

I don’t know how he doesn’t ink a deal for less than 95m, given the Davante Adams contract.

I would bet a paycheck that the Chiefs have offered a 5 year 100 mil contract, and Hill's camp is standing firm on a 4 year 100 mil contract.

He’ll get the same type of contract as Adams. By that, I mean a 5 year deal that has fluff shit on the back end of it. That way it looks bigger than it is.

Veach should have already had this done. Pay the man! We'd never recover from losing him.

If something isn't already done, how are we players in the FA market? The drop in Clark's cap number surely wasn't enough to get JuJu and some of the backups we've signed.

Oh it's gonna be painful but to be the best you have to pay the best..

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Dorsey would of had it done already..

Mark this date.

3-20-22

Raiderfan was spot on, curt, and left it at that.

Who knows if the deals we've made are actually signed sealed and delivered to the nfl offices yet. They can be done deals but won't count until they've been turned in.

neone

heard any

rumahs

I wonder how many teams have called about the availability of Hill or Mecole.

Lol... I mean... :harumph:

Reid has already had his presser and I think Juju's was today.

Overthecap.com is usually pretty good with showing contracts that are official. These are the new contracts shown by overthecap.com -

JuJu Smith Schuster - $1,035,000 Base, $510,000 Roster Bonus, $250,000 workout Bonus, $2,490,000 fully guaranteed, $2,890,000 Cap.

Frank Clark - $3,725,000 Base, $9,075,000 Bonus, $1,275,000 Roster Bonus, $1,250,000 workout Bonus, $5,475,000 fully guaranteed, $13,700,000 Cap.

Justin Reid - $1,035,000 Base, $3,500,000 Bonus, $15,000 workout Bonus, $20,485,000 fully guaranteed, $4,550,000 Cap.

Andrew Wylie - $2,385,000 Base, $152,500 Bonus, $1,187,500 Cap

Orlando Brown (TAG) - $16,662,000 Base, $16,662,000 Cap

Michael Burton - $1,120,000 Base, $152,500 Bonus, $1,047,500 Cap.

Derrick Gore - $825,000 Base, $825,000 Cap.

Jody Fortson- $825,000 Base, $825,000 Cap.

Deandre Baker - $965,000 Base, $965,000 Cap.

Geron Christian - Not shown yet

Derrick Nnadi - Not shown yet

And with all of those, it only has us at roughly -800,000

I can’t imagine Christian cost much and Nnadi surely utilized that 4 year veteran discount.

One we get a deal done with Tyreek and Brown, we’re going to have plenty of money to make more moves. Just gotta be smart about it.

I was thinking about that when we were posting about Andrew Wylie's contract and thought Derrick Nnadi would be perfect for that.

Not so fast.

The NFL will allow a team to use that money for two players, but they have to split the money.

Chiefs used their total amount on Andrew Wylie, so cannot be used for Derrick,

They can still give Derrick a low cost contract, just not use the 4 year veteran money.

I just figured it would automatically split. I’m sure he didn’t get much. I’m glad he’s back. He didn’t get a fair shake last year.

A 20m/year contract would be highway robbery, honestly, to the point that I'm not even sure the Chiefs would lowball Tyreek that much. He's a Top 5 receiver that you could argue is the 2nd most important offensive weapon on the team aside from Mahomes himself. He has to get at least 25m/year.

What wouldn't surprise me is the Chiefs offering a 5 year contract, though, to give them flexibility. Like a 5 year/125m contract, whereas Tyreek is demanding a 4 year/100m contract.

I'm convinced that's what cost them Mathieu, who wants another 3 year contract but the Chiefs clearly prefer longer contracts that give them more flexibility.

Fair points. But I still feel pretty confident that Orlando Brown hasn't signed his franchise tag. So there's 16 mil freed up right at the moment.

So even if the player has been tagged, you can use that money until he signs the tag contract? I can't find anything on that, but $16.62M buys you a lot of fringle players.

I can't confirm that for sure since the new collective bargaining agreement but that was how it used to work.

Correct. No signature, no contract, no cap hit.

Once you franchise tag a player, that full amount goes into escrow and is on the cap unless you rescind them tag.

He’s listed for the tag amount on otc.

I believe this is correct. The only site that spells it out comes from here: https://dairylandexpress.com/2022/03...ing-cap-space/

Here's the relevant part: They have until March 16th at 3pm central to be under the 2022 salary cap. That March 16th date also includes any other money they add on to their cap like an Adam’s tag.

TLDR: Green Bay can tag Adams by the deadline on March 8th and not have to be in legal standing with the 2022 cap until March 16th.

Adams could hold out all offseason, training camp, and preseason while holding $20 million worth of valuable cap space hostage.

This situation is making me nervous.

FAX THE ANXIOUS

Nailed it - they used the 4 year cap exception on him and got him for about 1/2 the actual outlay.

Very nice.

Really sucks this isn't done. If he wants to be highest paid then he can **** off. For that money you get 3 good wrs.

Im more nervous about the Brown contract....at least tyreek has earned his money

Um, this offense doesn't work the same way without reek. period.

Agree, but that doesn't mean it couldn't be successful/efficient/one of the best in the league without him.

If we announced that Tyreek was available for trade, most teams in the NFL would be calling Veach offering a huge package to try to get him.

Why do you suppose that is?

We can help you understand, if you’d like.

Exactly.

Well they must be satisfying him in talks because todays top players would be on twitter pouting. I think he will give them a hometown deal, it will still be expensive but he wants to play with PM

I like this feeling you have.

That’s not true from what a I’ve read from reputable sources. They can back out of the franchise tag until March 16th. After that, it counts against the 2022 cap until a new deal is reached or he’s off the team.

Are you insane? Look at the Buffalo playoff game. One standard slant for 10 yards went to the house because of what he has no others have speed but can also run routes and catch the ball. No one in the NFL can do that. He is a Unicorn. One of a kind. He’s proven he is worth it.

Josh Norman got the tag rescinded on April 20th.

https://www.nfl.com/_amp/carolina-pa...p3000000654674

I think we end up trading him. It only makes sense.

:facepalm:

I love Hill. He's a bad ass but paying a gigantic amount of money to one wr hurts the rest of the roster too much. If he wants what Adam's got at 28 mil average or more then no. Hes like the 5th best in the league.

I’m going off what I read from “Real” NFL writers. $20 million free cap space effects your ability to make your team better? Why is this not clearer to fans?

Think it through. A team will give us 2 1st rounders for Hill. And pay him to be the highest paid WR. Why? Because they view him as that valuable.

We can just pay him and keep our 1st rounders?

I have no idea how a competent fan of this team who has watched Tyreek’s career can think he isn’t the most dynamic WR in the league. At worst, top 3. When considering all factors, including affecting the defensive gameplan every week. Mahomes wouldn’t be as good without Reek, nor would Kelce. He’s elite in every sense of the word.

Also…Davante Adams contract is basically 3 years for like 22.5 per. Sign me up all day for that contract with Tyreek.

Agreed, give him a blank check and let him write in the number. Losing him isn't an option.

Yeah, let's just get rid of the one generational WR we've had in like 30 years. :rolleyes:

I'm assuming they are ironing out details. How can we structure this to help us with cap room later but still give Tyreek his money. Lot of haggling.

WTF??? :banghead:

I have no problem giving Hill money. Over 20 mil per but not close to 30 mil per. Thats too much.

He's not going to get 30M per. I don't think you have to worry about that.

My limit would be like 23 per year. Robinson signed for 15 per year and 30 guranteed and he's pretty freaking good.

Many a SB champ didnt have one WR sucking up all the money.