I wouldn’t count on them taking a WR in the 1st, but given the fact that JuJu and Hardman will be free agents after this year, they will certainly draft one on day 2.

I like the way you think.

I mean, that's on them. And you know who they are. Certain people post, and it's like the ****ing Bat Signal went off for others, who come in guns blazing looking to be combative for combative's sake.

Not sure how DJ can be much more moderate than "I didn't want the guy, but at least lock him up for 2-3 years to protect yourself"

Or perhaps Veach has a...you know...long-term plan... and a one year deal for Juju is part of it. Why some question every little thing I dont understand. I am fine with the understanding our front office has a long-term plan that I do not know the first thing about.

that makes sense

This is the internet, son. You know better. Might as well shut this place down.

****, I'm just grateful we finally have something to talk about.

My point is largely that I'm not 100% sure if he does or if he doesn't.

I simply don't think he's the right TYPE of WR. And I don't think it's hard to find a 6'1'', 210 lb dude who 'knows how to run routes...'

I mean we're now in a league where there are 6'5'' 250+ lb guys who run 4.7s who can't find jobs as move TEs out there. And I'm supposed to pretend like a 4.6 guy who gives up 40 lbs and 4 inches to that kind of player gets my dick hard?

It don't.

This kind of WR is a depreciating asset in today's NFL.

Calling all comers.

I'm better at this than they are.

So close...

The dude had a 1400-yard season. You can't just throw that out and say it doesn't matter. If there's legit concerns about him then there's legit reasons to believe he can be a valuable piece here. It cuts both ways.

WE ****ING GOT JUJU!!!!!!!!

LFG!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HE’S LITERALLY THE ONLY PLAYER I WANTED AND **** JARVIS LANDRY!!!!!!

Sorry, there's plenty of conflict in my RL. I come to places like this to escape conflict, not relish in it.

The likelihood of JuJu excelling as the Chiefs WR2 is greater than the probability of a rookie WR starting and having a significant impact.

The history of rookie WR’s having an immediate impact in Andy Reid’s offense is not good.

This guy burned his apartment down trying to barbecue.

These are your allies, JuJu Stans.

{reads another half-cocked post from PTSDNam}
{quietly retracts previous statement}

Telling us you don't know without outright saying it.

Exactly.

Electrical fire fam

Whereas I come here to practice it.

I mean, I could probably just do my job instead - but man that's tedious.

And besides "IrOn ShArPeNs IrOn!1!11!!"

Agreed. I'd rather they sign a proven commodity at WR and instead draft the talent at DE & CB.

He’s very young and has had a corpse for a QB nearly his whole 5 year career.

Of course some think it’s impossible to look at him thinking he’s reached his ceiling.

He even had 1400 yards one year with that corpse.

JuJu is a MUCH better version of Byron Pringle, and the Chiefs just got 650 yards and 8 TD out of him in 20 games. Playing 49% of the snaps.

JuJu is going off, dude. Andy has wanted him for two offseasons in a row. He knows what's going to work in this offense.

That 1400 yard season was four years ago and he hasn't come ANYWHERE CLOSE to replicating it in his other 4 seasons.

You're my boy, Blue - but c'mon - you understand why people might feel this way. He's given us 4X as many reasons to doubt as he has believe.

I hope he proves DJ wrong - but then we're all upset next year when he leaves.

I...uh...DID outright say it.

Why do you suppose I said "I think...."

I don't know if the sun will rise tomorrow, sport.

What the hell is with you people who think deigning to have a conversation on a topic is an affront to your honor?

Y'all are odd.

Of course it's speculation. I don't need to start my post with "In my opinion..." Of course it's my opinion - I'm the one friggen writing it.

Would you feel better if I put some sort of disclaimer in my sig block clarifying that I am not some form of omniscient deity? Would that help clear matters up for you?

That will be 1 more TD than Chris Jones has sacks in the playoffs.

What history?

When's the last time Andy Reid invested in a rookie WR that wasn't deemed a project?

How can we even declare such a thing when we really don't even have a sample size.

Mecole Hardman was viewed as highly unpolished and wasn't he converted from another position in college?

Tyreek Hill was a goddamn RB in college.

Two shitty years out of five and one of those was because of injury. He's got a better chance of being decent than he does shit.

Mmhmm. Get into some of that crystal meth lately?

Sweet!

"Remember that time 4 years ago when he had that one good season..." rarely bodes well in this league.

He's 25 freaking years old. He hasn't even hit his peak yet.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a>&#39; deal for WR JuJu Smith-Schuster comes in around $3 million on the base value with the rest of the $10.75 million max value <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@RapSheet</a> reported coming in the form of incentives, sources say.</p>&mdash; Mike Garafolo (@MikeGarafolo) <a href="https://twitter.com/MikeGarafolo/status/1504940830297145346?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 18, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Come on now....are you really going to be pissed at $3 million in base with $7.75 million coming in incentives?

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That's a fairly lazy comparison, to be honest.

They aren't the same kind of player. At all.

****ing highway robbery by veach

Exactly.

We're not replacing Tyreek Hill here, we're replacing Demarcus ****ing Robinson and Byron ****ing Pringle. Juju is better than both of them - COMBINED.

Ah, well that's not too bad then. Still would've rather signed him to a long term deal though but at least if he gets that 10 million he's earned it.

This is the shit that needs to stop.

Dionte Johnson and Claypool put up 2K+ *last year* with that "corpse" - so let's slow the Ben-blaming.

LMAO LMAO

Come on man. They have very similar body types.

JuJu's just a more athletic freak in that same body.

Lmao say what you want about the signing but this off-season has easily been the most exciting on CP for as long as I've been here. So many moves (and non moves), emotions, and controversial opinions

No.

No I will not.

That's asswipe money. And as they're probably games played incentives, they're almost all going to be NLTBE and not hit the cap until after the season. So that being the case, bully.

It's a near zero risk flyer that won't actually prevent us from going after someone with more explosion in the draft.

See how easy that was? I ain't out to throw bombs here.

To be determined.

I think realistically we see Byron Pringle type production from him.

That's fine and all. But...it's also not "the answer".

Nope. This is an absolute ****ing steal.

There is no reason to bitch about this.

Juju will get resigned next year. Hardman will walk.

Different receiver types. I mean it wouldn't surprise me if JuJu does nothing here, but Ben couldn't throw to strike that deep threat aspect.

They put up 2000 yards last year with Juju being injured.

There are people actually upset about this?

Kiss of death.

JuJu isn't more athletic.

He came out more polished because he came from a larger program and rec'd better coaching.

They don't play the same kind of game. No, JuJu is not 'a better Pringle'. Argue he's a better player if you want, fine. But he's a different kind of player. He's less explosive but he's a bit stronger. Whereas Pringle uses athleticism to find space, SS has always been a fairly smooth player that can occasionally find space through not losing speed when he makes his cuts. He's a more refined route runner than Pringle.

You don't just take every 6 ft, 200-210 lb WR and say 'hey, they're the same guy!'

Like I said, it's a really lazy comparison.

Upside > Downside

We may have signed the 2 best values on the FA market.

What?

Dude, shut up.

I think I am right in saying you wanted more of a deep threat burner type? If I am confused and thats not you, you may as well disregard the below...

I think the bigger factor in the whole "teams playing the two high shell against the Chiefs" is actually the Chiefs defense improving. Its easy to let the Chiefs matriculate via the running/short passing game in close games, but if the defense comes out and puts a team in a double digit hole, can they really sit in a passive two high shell and let the Chiefs bleed the clock with methodical drives?

I think I sort of agree with you, that a possession type receiver won't get teams out of the two high looks, but I don't really think another burner would either. I'm fine with JuJu - Its not an exciting signing but thats a very solid 3rd target, its more receiving talent than last year and more talent is all the Chiefs offense needs

I'm ****ing dying over here.

People were begging for the era that players would sign here for dirt to play with our QB.

It just happened and people are ****ing pissed. ****ing lmao

I'm not sure anyone was pissed at the $10M max value?

It's that we're going down the exact same road (actually worse) next year when we have to pay Hill, and JJSS and Hardman probably leave.

Like I said, if y'all are right and he's successful - some of you will be right back here next year complaining he got $17M/yr from someone else and nothing to show for it unless we navigate a ****ing gauntlet and win the SB.

Didn't mean to give you a thumbs down

What a freaking job by Veach! Incentive based contract for a 25 year old hungry player!

I have trouble keeping up with the inflation in player salaries.

I saw $10mm and thought it was too much.

But that’s actually kind of average for a good player. Hopefully he returns to his 2018 (or even 2020) form.

You ****ing guys

LOL

The point is the difference between Ben and Pat is massive.

Back to our earlier discussion, Parker - this shit doesn't help.

I don't see anyone here "pissed" other than that dipshit DT Vietnam or whatever the **** his name is.

People are either stoked or meh.

I won't be because I don't think he wanted a long term deal with us. He's using us and our success to build his value for next year. I'll gladly take the comp pick for him and move on with a rookie WR that we draft this year.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Imagine this deal being out there and you pay Zay Jones 30 million <a href="https://t.co/QOj661B5ic">https://t.co/QOj661B5ic</a></p>&mdash; Cody Tapp (@codybtapp) <a href="https://twitter.com/codybtapp/status/1504941484444950537?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 18, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Can't believe anyone thinks we need another receiver with "more explosion" after seeing shit like this.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">JuJu Smith-Schuster (<a href="https://twitter.com/TeamJuJu?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TeamJuJu</a>) is only in his third year but he has already produced more big plays than some receivers produce over an entire career. His 76-yard touchdown yesterday was his sixth catch of 65 yards or more. Here are all six: <a href="https://t.co/KjEStluyLr">pic.twitter.com/KjEStluyLr</a></p>&mdash; Daniel Valente (@StatsGuyDaniel) <a href="https://twitter.com/StatsGuyDaniel/status/1176185204135931904?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 23, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

He continues to talk about JuJu’s 2021 season like he was healthy for all of it or at least the majority.

Dude played 5 games when Pitt’s offense was also at it’s worst.

It did?

10.75 on one year is not "dirt".

ROFLROFLROFLROFLROFL

There is no football field on god green's earth where Byron is more explosive than JuJu.

That's actually really nice.

When Zay Jones is getting the same, it’s kind of a bargain. That’s just where the WR market is right now.

Byron is more explosive. You, like always, are the worst evaluator on the forum.

Byron has NEVER made a 97-yard house call in his life let alone two in the NFL.

Wait-

PRINGLE IS MORE EXPLOSIVE THAN JUJU?!


LMAO

You ****in' guys are hilarious!

this ****ing place, man.

LOL

Of course it is, no one is saying different.

But other people have been successful in that offense with the same QB, so let's knock off the "he sucked because of Ben" nonsense.

Yeah, because THAT's how you determine physical ability.

:rolleyes:

So a lower guarantee than Pringle but more incentives?

Sounds okay.

I swear to god this offseason is creating madness.

Well, he is.

We are discussing the individual's athletic ability, right?

Athletic ability isn't determined by stats and years played.

I assume a 102 yard kick return doesn't count

LMAO

Nice pickup