:facepalm:

In all sincerity, why? Because he tested poorly? He might be the most NFL-ready WR in this draft.

Because I don't like the looks of most of this


https://i.imgur.com/kyyL1MZ.png


And I worry about getting a guy like this, a surefire bonafide star


https://i.imgur.com/xGh7Xix.png

Ah, man why? That's the dude I absolutely want:

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LMAO

I knew he would point to his RAS score.

I was asked why, I showed my work. Your opinion on it is of no consequence to me

It’s lazy.

Your aren’t presenting it as a concern, which would be fair, but instead as if it’s some kind of deal breaker.

If that’s a deal breaker for you, you clearly haven’t watched him play.

He’s not a guy that you watch and come away concerned about how he will test, hence why it was a little disappointing . He plays much faster than he times, as evidenced by him pulling away from SEC DBs at 6’2”225 lbs.

The problem is you get an opinion on a player and act as if anyone who disagrees is an idiot.

There are busts every year. Sometimes you can see it coming and sometimes you can't.

This is the reason I think he'll get blanketed by defenders and will be especially bad in the moments where the play breaks down and Mahomes is looking for a guy to just get open and freestyle.

And you got all that from an image…

Could he be good? Most certainly! But we have one shot at this and a ton of options. This kind of thing pushes him out for me.

I was also told that CEH plays faster than he tests. Welp.


and when you compare his numbers I don't like this very much



https://i.imgur.com/JZqSEpK.png


JJ Arcega-Whiteside had 14 touchdowns his junior year, declared for the draft and articles like this were made pre-draft


https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...est-hidden-gem


I would like to avoid being the Eagles with our first round WR

Usually the busts come from the combine super stars who move up based on what they did in shorts.

Burks is a tough one because his film shows him as faster than he tests.

He's a soft body WR with a thick lower half, but surprisingly didn't test as strong as you'd think. His vertical, bench, 3-cone and 40 are pretty meh.

But on tape, the dude runs away from defenders and is strong during the catch.

Real hard to judge that guy.

I have what I like in a WR, but i understand that just because a guy isn't what I like doesn't mean he won't be good.

With that said, i'm not sure he's what the Chiefs like.

The good news is I trust Veach to pick the right guy and I'm sure even if he doesn't pick the best one he'll at least be good.


I wish Hardman was DK but also Hardman is pretty dang good and getting better.

If you’re seriously comparing Burks to JJ Arcega-Whiteside, then you definitely have not watched him play.

Also, him playing faster than he times is supported by him having the fastest (or one of the fastest) recorded MPH on a play last year.

It’s not just the eye test. Dude clearly plays faster than he times, and it’s not really debatable.

Hey you could be right. Maybe he is better than his significantly thorough testing says. But do you think that makes him better than some of the other receivers? Why gamble when there are so many good choices? Guys that don't have piss poor agility measurements.

Save us, Laviska. You're our only hope.

Because he’s firmly in the top 5 WRs and tier 1 of this class, and we aren’t likely to have any of them to choose from, more or less 2+.

Hardman could have been DK.

That's the thing about choices...

Well if Treylon Burks succeeds, it will be because he plays better than he tests. That has certainly happened before.


But if he doesn't people will say how did we not see this coming with those tests. That has also happened.

Last post on this topic: it's hard for me not to love this



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If he fails, it won’t be because of a lack of athleticism.

It will be because he’s a bit raw and doesn’t develop like you’d hope.

In no way am I saying he’s a sure thing, but if he’s sitting there at 29/30, he would be a great pick.

It’s pretty easy to see he has an A.J. Brown ceiling.

Wasn't between the two... Hardman was a replacement for Hill who most thought was maybe done for the year, if not ever at the time....

Some of these guys actually DO have piss poor agility measurements. Still others are JUST agility measurements without the college production to back them up.

There isn't a Jamar Chase in this draft. All of them have question marks.

Love it. People freak out about an opinion. Keep on keeping on.

How exactly did I “freak out”?

Daaamm, Daaahhniel

RAS is gonna be the new PFF on here

I actually find it very useful.

But it’s not the be-all end-all either.

There isn't a Jamar Chase, no.

There aren't Jamar Chase's in many drafts.

But man, I think Garrett Wilson could be REALLY good.

For many/most it seems like there isn't a clear #1. Wilson is mostly the consensus guy, but it's faint praise. He's considered a little better than the rest.

I'm not sure I see it that way. I think he might be a LOT better than the rest. Put him in last season's draft and I'd take him ahead of everyone but Chase. Very good agility, very good speed - EXTREMELY powerful for a guy with his athletic traits.

He could be what people thought Watkins was going to be before he got hurt. Staylor is fond of comparing Burks to AJ Brown but I think I see Wilson as being that guy.

He's the potential All-Pro in this draft, IMO.

Oh I like Burks, but Wilson is my WR1, although Williams without the ACL injury would probably make him WR2.

He’s a great prospect. I don’t even bother talking about him though because he’s the one WR that I think has absolutely no chance to even make it into our range.

1. Wilson
2. Williams
3. Olave
4. Burks
5. London

Sure sometimes PFF can be useful too but you know how it goes. Somebody who has no idea what they are talking about will just use RAS to back up their argument.

I REALLY like Williams, but I doubt he'll be there at our pick, and I trust in Veach and Andy because they know a hell of a lot more about the modern NFL than I do...

I think he's the only "can't fail" WR, but i think Olave isn't miles behind and i'd be very surprised if Williams is a bust. Outside of those 3 there's no-one i'm super confident in, but a lot of maybes.

This piece of shit better be on the roster by the end of the day or I will be writing a very grouchy letter!

If we go WR in the first, I'm hoping it's one of those 3. If not one of those 3, defense all the way.

I'm good with trading up a bit to get one of them. I'm also good if we trade up and take on of the top defenders instead.

the first highlight is mostly hand-offs?

I want one of the Ohio State WRs.

who's the jon baldwin of 2022?

Fortson, however he'll actually perform! (unlike JB4TE2012)

Before Baldwin got hurt he was probably compared to Marquez Colston?

Anyway that's another guy with bad agility. His college production was nothing special though




https://i.imgur.com/4bjhNOu.png

didn't we draft JB4TE in the first? LOL

I'll admit I know very little about Shenault. I'd throw a 2nd and a 7th to Jax for him.

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He's on to better things now at least:

Would love for Chiefs to find a "deebo", would Burks be the closest in this draft?

I can feel myself going a bit loony when it comes to Christian Watson.

I hope somebody takes him ahead of us so I don't have to make some prediction that will haunt me years later.

He’s starting to get some buzz at 22 to the Packers.

I think that would require London and Wilson and Olave and Williams all being off the board by then, which is possible.

I could also see Dallas being intrigued, though if they go WR and Burks and Watson are bother there, the Joneses will go with the Arkansas guy.

Chiefs official youtube channel - 2022 Draft Preview with Lance Zierlein (in spoiler below). WRs mentioned: Jameson Williams (Alabama), Christian Watson (NDSU), Jalen Tolbert (S. Alabama), Jahan Dotson (Penn st)

How far would he have to fall for you guys to entertain trading up?

If he got to the mid teens and I could do it for our second 3rd or something I’d pull that trigger

If I ever see a post of yours that DOESN'T involve giving up draft picks, the world will end.

I know

It’s kind of tongue in cheek at this point but on a serious note, I’d gladly trade an end of the round third to go up and get the preferred pass rusher or wr

The end of the 3rd picks would get us up to the 24 - 26 range.

It’s not a highlight vid, it’s a recap of his full game vs Alabama so you can see everything he does, not just the highlights.

Second one was highlights.

Our second 3rd wouldn't get us anywhere close to the teens. It would get us to about 24/25.

I'm just awfully opposed to trading up. If someone comes along willing to let us brutally murder the draft pick value return - sure, I'll consider it. But I'd rather brutally murder someone in a trade DOWN.

I want this draft used to stockpile depth and competition across the roster.

I’m a fan of a trade down into the mid-high 30s that includes a swap of 3rd, moving one of those towards the top of the round. Something like 37 and 68 from houston for 29 and 102 is pretty sweet.

Yes. Comps are tricky but Burks reminds me of Deebo.

To Atlanta for 43 and 74 has been something I've found myself taking in the mock sims.

Green bay for 53 and 59.

Then I'd probably even take that 30 and see if the Lions would do something like 34 and 66 for it.

Both would 'beat' the chart but that's kinda what I mean. I'm fine moving down if we're getting some surplus value in the exchange.

Who are you taking at 29 if you’re trading down?

Ojabo? Jones? Wyatt? Williams?

And since this is a thread about Shenault….I’d rather trade for him and then take a WR in the 2nd like Tolbert or Pierce….than draft a WR at 29 or 30. And I’m definitely not trading up.

Wyatt.

Then if Ojabo slips, him. If not, Williams. Then Jones.

Usually the extra pick can be used on Metchie and my 'original' 2nd can go after one of the Tolbert/Watson/Pickens/Pierce crew.

So When I take that 1st and turn it into effectively a couple of 2nds, I end up with 5 picks in the first 2 rounds that I use on 3 DLs and 2 WRs.

Then I start looking DB and TE in the 3rd (while secretly hoping I can still take Austin). I'll also look at NPF and Raimann if they're available in the 3rd.

Ok ****ing nerds. Let’s make everyone happy. We package 29 and all of our 7ths to go up. O city got his trade up, Brad verch doesn’t have to make 12 picks. Then We trade 30 to mid 30s with a 3rd swap.

I’d go ahead and cross Austin off the list man. Every move and report is that they want big receivers that can block. Austin ain’t blocking anyone in this league.

You should probably prepare for the possibility of Christian Watson as well. He fits that mold and should be the in that conversation around our picks

Nothing supports the idea that they want 6 guys in the WR room that do the same thing.

They can be looking at big WRs and still have plenty of room for a small guy that can exploit space.

They're still going to throw the ball 600+ times next year, fellas. This isn't a team that's going to go ground and pound because one !@#$ing WR left.

And with 150 of those targets freeing up, it's fair to say that they'll be looking for a wide variety of skill-sets to fill them.

Can we ****ing trade for big dick viska already?

They’re gonna trade and pay dk and I’m here for the freak out

I’m a big fan of Velus Jones Jr. if he is available in 7th.

Like....Hardman?

Did we sign this ****er yet?

I really don’t mind Calvin Austin as long as it’s in the 3rd rd or later.

No because the jagoffs here want that bum dk instead of our savior Shenault!

Me too!

Whoever we pick first as WR

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Really no place for Shenault if they acquire Lockett. If the Chiefs want Shenault it shouldn't require much.

He’s not following anybody on Twitter and has 131 followers.

I call bullshit

Jacksonville is doing everything they can for TL. Hopefully this means Shenault is on his way out...

ROFL Who is this dude?

Hardman struggles to find holes in the zones and doesn't carry his speed out of his cuts as well as you'd like for that kind of player.

He doesn't have that quickness in a phonebooth to exploit stuff underneath and I've seen little evidence to suggest he has the toughness or ball security either.

Nah, Hardman's a gadget/go route guy. And that has value - but not what I'd be looking for there.

Holy sh*t. ROFL My bad. Faux account.

New Jaguars coach Doug Pederson said he thinks Laviska Shenault can help the team as a return man.

With Jamal Agnew (hip) still rehabbing and in question for Week 1, Shenault is getting work as a returner after the Jaguars added Christian Kirk and Zay Jones at wide receiver over the offseason. Shenault's offensive role looks like it has evaporated under the new staff with Kirk, Jones, and Marvin Jones likely settled in as Jacksonville's new trio. Shenault is still a candidate to be playing elsewhere by Week 1.