Maybe. But we had a good DL coach last year too.

Maybe some new voices will help.

It really would.

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IDK where exactly this goes but LMAO

You guys are so full of shit LMAO

Man, you could have done these things, and have a year or two with Hill and these FA's- and you'd have a couple of cap hell years and have to gut it all. And what would that window look like? It hasn't been good enough for two seasons-and every other team in contention went all in too.

No, the smart thing was to sell high, reload, revamp, and make the changes now. The offense we'd been running had been countered. Everyone loaded up on edges to prevent the deep routes, 2 deep safeties to keep Hill from getting over the top, making him a different player anyway. Look at the drop in ypc. So we zig while everyone else zags.

You need to get over it. It was a logical move. You don't have to like it, but it's done, and the endless bitching is really tiresome.

This is my final word on this-and then I'll let it go, and you can whine all you want.

I never thought the haul in picks would be anywhere near what we got for Hill, to be honest.

I thought we'd maybe get a first and some change because of his contract demands. 4 picks in the first four rounds and a 6 make a HUGE impact in a team's influx of young, cost controlled talent.

I mean, having 8 picks in the first four rounds of an unusually deep draft is a real boon.

Coupled with other teams loading up to stop an offense that doesn't exist anymore and I like our chances of sustaining a contender for a long, long time moving forward.

Anyway. Bitch on.

The bolded is the best part. It's like the Chiefs pulled the 'ol switcheroo on them, made them spend a ton of money on a threat that no longer exists...meanwhile the Chiefs get to retool while remaining competitive if not dominant because of our QB and coach...this shit gets sweeter by the minute the more I think about it.

Yes, we'll miss Tyreek, but the Chiefs are not just gonna throw in the towel because he's gone. They will use this opportunity to stay a step ahead in the division, as much as they can anyway. It's a risk, sure, but I think ultimately this was the right thing to do for all involved.

Yeah, all of the rest of the division and the AFC contenders built themselves to beat WASP.

Now we'll throw an entirely different set of skillsets at them.

It's pretty cool. Ballsy move to bet on their scouting and coaching to be able to stay ahead of the curve.

1 draft pick in the top 60<3 in the top 50

You realize that the Chiefs would only have like 30 players on the roster right? As it stands now it’s 22 not counting the draft. The money and draft picks available will easily accommodate filling the other 23 spots.

You also realize Tyreek alone is like 40% of the cost of that freed up money yes? You also need probably around $8 million for a larger draft class as well. So that’s about $40 million alone with those two, basically half.

Then there’s Orlando Brown Jr who they want to get done this year. His cap hit will probably be at least $17 million in 2023

So that leaves you with only $24 million. Then you have your own FA’s. Juju, Thornhill, Hardman, Wylie, Bush, Fenton.

So your plan leaves us with only $24 million for our own players as well as any external.

Just one player like Christian Kirk is over $7 million cap hit year one. Any good players will cost money.

I’m sorry basic math is not your strong suit

It’s not basic math that isn’t his strong suit. It’s basic understanding.

You're talking to a guy who wanted to cut Clark and line up UDFA's at edge.

You made that post before the trade. Before the trade you thought that we had a bunch of ammo. Now suddenly it wasn't enough? Which is it?

And no, this was your plan and math. In your scenario, you not only resigned Hill, but you were able to fill out the defense and have a pretty decent depth chart. Guess you and everyone else had no idea what you were talking about in regards to the cap huh? Your own math showed 27mil in cap space even before the Tyreek deal and/or Mahomes restructure. Were you just pulling shit out of your ass?

Why do you keep forgetting about me saying I would draft a first round DE? How convenient?

And what were your plans to replace Clark? You were for it until we brought him back.

Yes I did think that. And then reality happened. We didn’t spend in FA, Mahomes didn’t restructure his contract again and we are still stuck with Frank but freed up a little money compared to what many of us thought was going to be a ton for a June 1st cap hit. I also didn’t realize we were really low on players in general, especially in 2023.

Then the entire division becomes significantly better. And then Christian Kirk broke the WR market for JAG’s which lead to Davante Adams breaking it open for highest paid and suddenly us thinking Tyreek was going to cost $25 million became $30 million.

So yeah. A lot of things have happened since that post to change the landscape of everything.

Because FACTS happened. I don't know why you don't understand that.

The difference between keeping Clark and cutting his is like $1.2m. You can't replace even his very pedestrian production for anywhere near that. And it makes cutting him next year if you want more palatable too.

You wanted to line up a rookie first rounder and a bunch of UDFA scrubs. That's a recipe for disaster. I don't know about you, but I'm really tired of watching the likes of Sorensen and Niemann taking meaningful snaps.

You wanted to restructure everyone and push all the money forward; and the bill comes due, ya know. Then you're screwed, and your stars walk and you've got nothing. Welcome to Seattle.

It's a matter of short term view vs. long term view.

And the short term view is: Look, it's been two years of not good enough. Why are we tripling down on this? Everyone else went all in and loaded up to beat WASP. Now THEY will all be forced to make difficult decisions a couple of years down the road, when we'll be cruising on a bunch of young talent.

The long view is that trading Hill gives us a real chance to BE that dynasty. Keeping Hill...probably not. We're already in diminishing returns. Not because Hill isn't great-but because we can't field enough quality players all around him. What's the point? There isn't one.

I was against it until I realized 1)just what a haul we'd get and 2)Just what keeping him was going to mean in the future.

this is the smart play.

Rip the band-aid off.

I wanted to show what the Kansas City Chiefs have invested in each position.

The following posts will show -
What the position and the players current contract costs for the cap.
How the player was acquired and when.
Some positions we have spent very little in draft capital.
Some positions we are spending lots of money and not getting much back in return.

Also breaking this down by position because it makes it a little easier to read.

Most of you already know the positions we need to address with the draft, but I also included a brief take on players or where we might draft for that position.

The easy one is QB...

Quarterbacks (3/2) $39,065,000 cap total for QBs. How Acquired - One 1st round. One FA. One CFA.
Player, Age, Height, Weight, Contract Cap, When & How Acquired
• 15 Patrick Mahomes, Age 26, 6-3, 227, (’22 $35.8M, ‘23 46.8M…’31 $52.5) ‘17 draft (1-10) Traded with Buffalo to move from 27th to 10th.
• 4 Chad Henne, Age 37, 6-3, 215, (’22 $3,265,000) ‘18 FA
• 6 Shane Buechele, Age 23. 6-0, 208, (’22 $825K*, ‘23 ERFA) ’21 CFA
QB: Patrick Mahomes is the starter. Chad Henne with a guaranteed $3.265M will be primary backup. Shane Buechele is trying for 3rd QB (if KC keeps 3) and probably gets picked up if Chiefs try to put him on the Practice Squad.
Possible draft: Late round or UDFA for Practice Squad and camp arm.
*Not in 51 cutoff for Cap calculations

Running backs (5/5) $5,447,500 cap total for RBs. How Acquired - One 1st round. Four FAs.
Player, Age, Height, Weight, Contract Cap, When & How Acquired
• 45 Michael Burton FB, Age 29, 6-0, 243, (‘22 $1,047,500) ’21 FA
• 25 Clyde Edwards-Helaire, Age 22, 5-8, 205, (’22 $2.9M, ‘23 3.4M) ‘20draft (1-32)
• 2 Ronald Jones II, Age 25, 5-11, 208, (’22 $1.5M ) ’22 FA
• 40 Derrick Gore, Age 27, 5-10, 207, (’22 ERFA $825K*) ’21 FA
• Brendon Knox, Age 23, 5-11, 220, Signed to Futures contract $705K* ’22 FA

o 1 Jerick McKinnon Age 29, 5-9. 201, (’22 Free Agent) unsigned ’21 FA
o 31 Darrel Williams, Age 26, 5-11, 219, (’22 Free Agent) unsigned ‘18 CFA

RB: CEH and Ron Jones at RB with Michael Burton at FB. Derrick Gore will compete with a draft pick for playing time.
Possible draft: (135) Ty Chandler, North Carolina, Rachaad White, Arizona State, Tyler Badie, Missouri, Pierre Strong, South Dakota State, or Dameon Pierce, Florida
*Not in 51 cutoff for Cap calculations

Wide receivers (13/6) $16,784,000 cap total for WRs. How Acquired - One 2nd round. One 5th round. Nine FAs.
Player, Age, Height, Weight, Contract Cap, When & How Acquired
• 17 Mecole Hardman, Age 23, 5-10, 180, (’22 $4.399M) ‘19drafted (2-56)
• 11 Marquez Valdes-Scantling, Age 27, 6-4, 206 (’22 $4.88M, ’23 $11M, ’24 $14M) ’22 FA
• 9 JuJu Smith-Schuster Age 25, 6-1, 215 (’22 $2.89M) ’22 FA
• Corey Coleman, Age 27, 5-10, 185, (’22 $965K) ’22 FA
• 19 Josh Gordon, Age 30, 6-3, 238, Re-signed to Futures contract, $895K ’21 FA
• 12 Gehrig Dieter, Age 28, 6-3, 208 Re-signed to Futures contract, $895K ‘17 CFA
• 82 Daurice Fountain, Age 26, 6-1, 212 Re-signed to Futures contract $965K ’21 FA
• 14 Cornell Powell, Age 24, 6-0, 210 Re-signed to Futures contract $705K* ‘21 drafted (5-181)
• Chris Finke, Age 25, 5-10, 184, Signed to Futures contract. $705K*, ’22 FA
• Justin Watson, Age 25, 6-3, 215, Signed to Futures contract. $895K, ’22 FA
• Omar Bayless, Age 25, 6-1, 210, Signed to Futures contract. $705K*,’22 FA
• Mathew Sexton, Age 24, 5-11, 175, Signed to Futures contract. $705K* ’22 FA
• Gary Jennings, Age 24, 6-1, 216, Signed to Futures contract. $825K* ’22 FA

o 10 Tyreek Hill, Age 27, 5-10, 185, Miami Dolphins 4yr $120M ‘16 drafted (5-165)
o 13 Byron Pringle, Age 28, 6-1, 201, Chicago Bears 1yr $4.125M ‘18 CFA
o 11 Demarcus Robinson, Age 27, 6-1, 202, Las Vegas Raiders 1yr $1,187M ‘16 drafted (4-126)
o 85 Marcus Kemp Age 26, 6-4, 208, (’22 Free Agent) unsigned ‘17 CFA

WR: Marquez Valdes-Scantling, JuJu Smith-Schuster, Mecole Hardman, and at least one early round draft pick will be the top 4 WRs for KC. Corey Coleman. Josh Gordon, Daurice Fountain and others will battle for the last two WR spots.
Possible draft: (29) Drake London, USC, Chris Olave, Ohio State, Treylon Burks, Arkansas, Skyy Moore, Western Michigan, or Jahan Dotson, Penn State
*Not in 51 cutoff for Cap calculations

Tight End (9/3) $10,850,500 cap total for TEs. How Acquired - One 3rd round. One 5th round. One CFA. Six FAs.
Player, Age, Height, Weight, Contract Cap, When & How Acquired
• 83 Noah Gray, Age 22, 6-4, 243, (’22 $903K, ‘23 $1.018M, ‘24 $1.133M) ’21 drafted (5-162)
• 87 Travis Kelce, Age 32, 6-5, 256, (’22 $8.9M, ‘23 $14.65M, ‘24 $16.4M, ‘25 $18.65M) ‘13 drafted (3-63)
• 88 Jody Fortson, Age 26, 6-6, 240 (’22 ERFA $825K*) PUP/IR ’19 CFA
• 81 Blake Bell, Age 30, 6-6, 260, (‘22 $1,047,500) ’19 FA & ’21 FA
• 48 Nakia Griffin-Stewart, Age 25, 6-5, 260 Re-signed to Futures contract. $705K* ’21 FA
• 80 Mark Vital TE, Age 25, 6-5, 250, Re-signed to Futures contract. $705K* ’21 FA
• Jordan Franks, 6-4, 250, Signed to Futures contract. $825K* ’22 FA
• Josh Pederson, Age 24, 6-5. 235, Signed to Futures contract. $705K* ’22 FA
• 84 Matt Bushman, Age 26, 6-5, 245, Re-signed to Futures contract. $705K* ’22 FA
TE: Travis Kelce and Noah Gray for sure. Blake Bell probably makes team with guaranteed contract. Jody Fortson depends on torn Achilles recovery. There are lots of low cost non-guaranteed contracts backups looking for a spot.
Possible draft: (?)
*Not in 51 cutoff for Cap calculations

Offensive Linemen (12/10) $32,990,000 cap total for OLs. How Acquired - One 2nd round. One 3rd round. One 6th round, One 7th round, One Trade, One CFA, Six FAs.
Player, Age, Height, Weight, Contract Cap, When & How Acquired
• 73 Nick Allegretti G, Age 25, 6-4, 315, (‘22$1.003M) ‘19drafted (7-216)
• 57 Orlando Brown Jr. T, Age 25, 6-8, 363, (‘22Tag, $16,6M) Contract Projection: ($21M per year). ‘21Trade Baltimore Ravens (1-31)
• 52 Creed Humphrey C, Age 22, 6-5, 309, (‘22$1.264M. ‘23 $1.517M, ‘24 $1.770M) ‘21drafted (2-63)
• 67 Lucas Niang T, Age 23, 6-6, 339, (‘22$1.071M. ‘23 $1.207M, ‘24 $1.321M) PUP/IR ’20 drafted (3-96)
• 65 Trey Smith G, Age 22, 6-6, 329, (‘22$857K. ‘23 $972K, ‘24 $1.087M) ‘21 drafted (6-226)
• 70 Prince Tega Wanogho T, Age 24, 6-5, 303, (’22 $825K*, ‘23 ERFA) ’21 FA
• 62 Joe Thuney G, Age 29, 6-5, 304, (‘22$8.1M. ‘23 $22.1M, ‘24 $22.6M, ‘25 $22.6M) ’21 FA
• 77 Andrew Wylie T/G, Age 28, 6-6, 310, (’22 $1,187,500) ‘17 FA
• Geron Christian OT, Age 26, 6-5, 303, (’22 $1,047,500) ‘22FA
• 64 Darryl Williams C, Age 24, 6-2, 304, Re-signed to Futures contract. $705K* ’20 CFA
• Roderick Johnson OT, Age 26, 6-6, 300, Re-signed to Futures contract. $965K ’21 FA
• Austin Reiter, Age 30, 6-3, 300 (’22 $895K) ‘18 FA & ’22 FA

o 66 Austin Blythe C, Age 29, 6-2, 280, Seattle Seahawks 1yr $4M ’21 FA
o 69 Kyle Long G, Age 33, 6-6, 332, (’22 Free Agent) unsigned ’21 FA
o 75 Mike Remmers T (IR), Age 32, 6-5, 301, (’22 Free Agent) unsigned ’20 FA
OL: LT Orlando Brown Jr, LG Joe Thuney, C Creed Humphrey, RG Trey Smith, RT Geron Christian. Andrew Wylie, and possible draft pick will compete for this. Nick Allegretti, Austin Reiter, and others will compete for backup positions. Lucas Niang might start season on PUP.
Possible draft: (94) Kellen Diesch, Arizona State. Cordell Volson, North Dakota State, Rasheed Walker, Penn State, Max Mitchell, Louisiana, or Braxton Jones Southern Utah Late round (251) Austin Deculus, LSU
*Not in 51 cutoff for Cap calculations

Defensive linemen (13/9) DE (6), DT (7) $51,664,668 cap total for DLs. How Acquired – One Trade, One 2nd round. Two 3rd round, One 4th round, One 5th round, Two CFAs, and Five FAs
Player, Age, Height, Weight, Contract Cap, When & How Acquired
• 55 Frank Clark DE, Age 28, 6-3, 261, (’22 $13.7M, ‘23 $28,675,000) ’19 Trade Seattle Seahawks
• 51 Mike Danna DE, Age 24, 6-2, 255, (’22 $961K, ‘23 $1M) ’20 drafted (5-177)
• 95 Chris Jones DT, Age 27, 6-6, 298, (’22 $29.4M, ‘23 $27M) ‘16 drafted (2-37)
• 99 Khalen Saunders DT Age 25, 6-0, 324, (’22 $1.218M) ’19 drafted (3-84)
• 59 Joshua Kaindoh DE Age 23, 6-7, 262, (’22 $949K. ‘23 $1.064M, ‘24 $1.179M) ’21 drafted (4-144)
• 70 Malik Herring DE Age 24, 6-3, 280 (’22 $713,333*, ‘23 $878,334K, ‘24 ERFA) ’21 CFA
• 98 Tershawn Wharton DT, Age 23, 6-4, 278, (‘22 $896,668, ‘23 RFA) ’20 CFA
• 91 Derrick Nnadi DT, Age 25, 6-1, 317, (‘2 2$2.75M) 2018 drafted (3-75)
• 79 Cortez Broughton DT, Age 25, 6-2, 293, Re-signed to Futures contract. $895K ’21 FA
• 60 Austin Edwards DE, Age 24, 6-5, 273, Re-signed to Futures contract. $705K* ’21 FA
• Lorenzo Neal Jr, DT Age 24, 6-3, 325, Signed to Futures contract. $705K* ’22 FA
• Darius Stills, DT, Age 23, 6-0, 278, Signed to Futures contract. $705K* ’22 FA
• Jonathan Woodard, DE, Age 28, 6-5, 271, Signed to Futures contract. $895K ’22 FA

o 24 Melvin Ingram DE, Age 32, 6-2, 247, (’22 Free Agent) unsigned ’21 Trade Pittsburgh Steelers
o 97 Alex Okafor DE, Age 30, 6-4, 261, (’22 Free Agent) unsigned ’19 FA
o 90 Jarran Reed DT, Age 29, 6-3, 313, Green Bay Packers 1yr $3.25M ’21 FA
DL: Frank Clark, Chris Jones Derrick Nnadi, and a possible early round draft pick will be the starters. Mike Danna, Tershawn Wharton, Khalen Saunders, Joshua Kaindoh, and others will compete for playing time.
Free Agents: Melvin Ingram, Jadeveon Clowney, Sheldon Richardson Akiem Hicks, Johnathan Henkins
Possible Draft: (50) Cameron Thomas, San Diego State, Boye Mafe, Minnesota, Arnold Ebiketie. Penn State, Kingsley Enagbare, South Carolina, or Sam Williams Mississippi.
(121) Eyloma Uwazurike, Iowa State. Otito Ogbonnia, UCLA,Haskell Garrett Ohio State, Thomas Booker, Stanford, Christopher Hinton, Michigan, Eric Johnson, Missouri State, Neil Farrel Jr., LSU or Tayland Humphrey, Louisiana.
*Not in 51 cutoff for Cap calculations

Linebackers (6/5) $7,175,000 cap total for LBs. How Acquired – Two 2nd round, One CFA, and Three FAs.
Player, Age, Height, Weight, Contract Cap, When & How Acquired
• 54 Nick Bolton MLB, Age 21, 6-0, 237), (’22 $1.3M. ‘23 $1.591M, ‘24 $1.856M) ’21 drafted (2-58)
• 50 Willie Gay Jr OLB, Age 23, 6-1, 235, (’22 $1.4M, ‘23 $1.677M) ’20 drafted 2-63)
• Elijah Lee LB, Age 26, 6-3, 230, (’22 $915K) ’22 FA
• Jermaine Carter Jr LB, Age 27, 6-1, 225 (’22 $1.77M) ’22 FA
• 47 Darius Harris OLB, Age 25, 6-2, 240, Re-signed to Futures contract. $895K ’19 CFA
• 92 Shilique Calhoun LB, Age 30, 6-5, 260, Re-signed to Futures contract. $895K ’21 FA

o 53 Anthony Hitchens OLB, Age 29, 6-0, 231, Released, unsigned. 2018 FA
o 56 Ben Niemann MLB, Age 26, 6-2, 233, (’22 Free Agent) unsigned 2018 CFA
o 44 Dorian O'Daniel OLB, Age 27, 6-1, 217, (’22 Free Agent) unsigned 2018 drafted (3-100)
LB: Nick Bolton, Willie Gay Jr, Jermaine Carter Jr, Elijah Lee, and yet to be determined will makeup the LB corps.
Possible Draft: (62) Quay Walker, Georgia, Brandon Smith Penn State, Leo Chenal Wisconsin, Chad Muma, Wyoming, or Troy Anderson, Montana State. Later Round (243) Malcom Rodriguez, Oklahoma State

Defensive backs (11/10) ) $14,222,500 cap total for DBs. How Acquired – One 2nd round, One 4th round, One 6th round, Three CFAs, and Five FAs
Player, Age, Height, Weight, Contract Cap, When & How Acquired
• 39 Zayne Anderson FS, Age 24, 6-2, 205, (’22 $825K* ‘23 ERFA) ’21 CFA
• 30 Deandre Baker CB, Age 24, 5-11, 186, (’22 ERFA), Re-sign $965K ’20 FA
• 27 Rashad Fenton CB, Age 24, 5-11, 193, (’22 2.578M) ’19 drafted (6-201)
• 38 L'Jarius Sneed CB, Age 24, 6-1, 189, (’22 $1.053M. ‘23 $1.168M ) ’20 drafted (4-138)
• 22 Juan Thornhill FS, Age 26, 6-0, 203, (’22 $3.134 M) ’19 drafted (2-63)
• 20 Justin Reid S, Age 25, 6-1, 205, (’22 $4.55M, ‘23 $12.7M, ‘24 $14.25 M), ’22 FA
• Luq Barcoo, CB, Age 24, 6-1, 180, (’22 $895K), ’22 FA
• 2 Dicaprio Bootle CB/S, Age 24, 5-10, 182, Re-signed to Futures contract. $705K*, ’21 CFA
• 24 Devon Key SS, Age 24, 6-0, 204, Re-signed to Futures contract. $705K*, ’21 CFA
• Brandin Dandridge CB, Age 25, 5-10,180, Signed to Futures contract. $705K*, ’22 FA
• Deon Bush S, Age 29, 6-0,187 (’22 $1,047,500) ’22 FA

o 35 Charvarius Ward CB, Age 25, 6-1, 195, San Francisco 49ers 3yr $40M 2018 Trade Dallas Cowboys
o 21 Mike Hughes CB, Age 24, 5-10, 186, Detroit Lions 1yr $2.25M ‘21Trade Minnesota Vikings
o 23 Armani Watts SS, Age 25, 5-11, 190, (’22 Free Agent) unsigned 2018 drafted (4-124)
o 49 Daniel Sorensen FS, Age 31, 6-2, 200, New Orleans Saints 1yr $1.27M) 2014 CFA
o 32 Tyrann Mathieu SS, Age 29, 5-9, 190, (’22 Free Agent) unsigned ’19 FA
o 26 Chris Lammons CB, Age 25, 5-10, 182 , (Free Agent) unsigned with legal issues ’19 FA
DB: L'Jarius Sneed, Rashad Fenton, Justin Reid, and Juan Thornhill would be the obvious starters at this time. Backups would be Zayne Anderson, Deandre Baker, Dicaprio Bootle, and Luq Barcoo. The Chiefs need to draft and also bring in a veteran CB to get this groupsetup for playing good defense.
Trade or Free Agent: Looking at FA CB Stephon Gilmore or trade for NYG CB James Bradberry
Possible draft: : (30) Roger McCreary, Auburn, Kaiir Elam, Florida, or Kyler Gordon, Washington and Draft (103) S Nick Cross, Maryland , JoJo Domann, Nebraska, or Verone McKinley III Oregon
*Not in 51 cutoff for Cap calculations

Special teams (3/3) $6,367,000 cap total for STs. How Acquired – One from Panthers PS, One CFA and One FA.
Player, Age, Height, Weight, Contract Cap, When & How Acquired
• 7 Harrison Butker K, Age 26, 6-4, 196, (’22 $4.2M. ‘23 $4.4M, ‘24 $3.8M) ‘17 signed off of Carolina Panthers Practice Squad
• 5 Tommy Townsend P, Age 25, 6-1, 194, (’22 $897 K, ‘23 RFA) ’20 CFA
• 41 James Winchester LS, Age 32, 6-3, 242 (’22 $1.27M. ‘23 $1.32M) 2015 FA
ST: Will stay the same for 2022.

I believe all of the contracts are the latest, but because I sometimes rounded up or down the totals do not match up exactly with overthecap.com but it is pretty close.

75 total players

Wow we got really young at DB

Very cool man. Thanks for posting. That’s a lot of work.

It was something I had been keeping a running total on, so thought I would post it.

I'm sure it is a little much but maybe help someone to sleep or just pass out.

I'm curious what our average team age changed from to - seems like we got significantly younger

I am sure it has gone down some. I guess Brett Veach would be happy with that.

Each position shows the players that are no longer on roster with their age included.

Wait and see what free agents we might sign. (Melvin Ingram)

If we go only with the draft to fill our needs, age for sure will drop.

When the idea 1st came up about trading Hill in a poll, I was a firm Hell No. But the more I think about what Veach got and the cash tied up by our rivals to stop our 2019-2021 offense, the more I like it. When they zig, we zag. Maybe we won't run Wasp anymore, but I haven't seen a lot of 65 TPT for awhile, either.

I would like to see the Chiefs sign Julio Jones, Antonio Brown, Emmanuel Sanders, Jarvis Landry and Sammy Watkins for this season...then spend all their draft capital on defense.

How's that for "outside the box" thinking...

They could alternate them every other week....depending on how old they are feeling. The "All Glue Factory" team....

Kidding of course....kind of.

Watkins played for $5 million last year.....he's worth that for 10 games and knows the offense.

I wasn't making it up when I said that -King- may be the all-around worst poster on CP.

His "hot takes" lay there like "hot carls."

Everyone knows how much I love Tyreek - he's buddies with my friend Josh and we are both early March Pisces, and Twisted Chief will recall how much I stood by Tyreek in early 2019 - "Him and Mahomes will be our Montana and Rice"...

but the reality is, he wanted that BIG big contract, and we simply could not afford to match what the Jets and the Dolphins were going to pay.

The Raiders ****ed us with that Adams contract, but Veach got a decent return for him, plus we get his contract off this year's books. He's going to have brokedick noodle armed Tua throwing him the ball, so he will be back within 3 years, we'll probably give them a 4th back for him.

And the offense will be more consistent, more well-rounded, and less reliant on the home-run ball.

Veach knew what he was doing.

All jokes aside, if you can get Watkins to take $2.5 million with another $2.5 million in incentives, I'd do it.

That was for $5M guaranteed. Nobody is beating down his door to sign him, so I'd rather wait until after the draft to what our needs will be. Frankly, 49 targets and only 27 receptions for 394 yards and 1 TD, doesn't scream we need him back.

What was everybody thinking we'd sign Tyreek for? Because obviously the $23 mil he's actually getting would have crippled our salary cap. So what numbers did you have him pegged at that wouldnt have killed the cap?

I don't know how many times this has to be highlighted as wrong.....but Hill is not getting $23 million dollars per year. I don't care how you average it out to make that happen. He has a cap hit this year of $6 million and then it's $31M, $25M, and $28M.

And the chiefs can structure that money any way they want. So I don't know why you keep acting like listing out the hits individually changes the total amount he's due. So yeah since we don't know exactly how they would structure it, it's easier to just do the average.

Why are you still talking?

I'd have kept Hill. He is special. He'll be fine in Miami. He can turn a noodle arm Tua throw into 6 in split seconds. We signed JuJu. It would have been great to see he and Hill together. Combine that with Reid committing to run the ball more effectively, and the offense would have been much more consistent than last season. Hill is a huge loss. Lots of pressure to hit on the draft. I'm not going to get over losing Hill easily. I championed hard for him back in 2019 right with you. In fact Twisted lost a bet with me and left the board for about 5 months because of that. (Even though I said emotions were high and he didn't have to leave, but he did anyway). We'll just have to see what becomes of it. Still in disbelief...

Someone responded to me so I replied back. Kinda how convos go.

Do you disagree with my post? What number did you have Tyreek coming in at when you were interested in keeping him? Cause 23 per year is clearly too much (let's ignore when you were down to pay him 30 regardless of cap consequences for now.)

I'm with you.

But when the draft picks are weighed against what he would've commanded in salary Cao space 🤔 I'm saying, damned if you do, damned if you don't....

I love Tyreek. He'll be a Chief again.

SHUT.
THE.
****.
UP.

What was your number for Tyreek?

I can't imagine the hell this new money could reek on Hill's future. From his baby momma :eek:

Well, I gave him your mom's number if that counts for much...

I think CEH and Ronald Jones will actually split most of the load work and Gore comes in as a switch hitter. There will be competition but I think they both will have good seasons. If we do that then I'm not worried about Clyde getting 1500 yards from LOS they both can get more of that combined. What we need is them both and Gore healthy for the playoffs. That's why I say they will split the load caries. Of course if one or the other has a hot hand stick with em.

All JAGS ...

:deevee: Tyreek Hill :deevee:

Just wait until the Chiefs don’t take a WR in round 1.

The crying after the end of day 1 should be fun!

I’m ****ing here for it. It’s going to be amazing.

What will you do when he trades up for Jameson...? :Poke:

Suck it up and deal with it.

Good answer. The only answer, really. Short of anything too wild I'm hoping and expecting to just be excited to see how the picks pan out.

Not gonna happen.

I know, I'm winding up The Franchise but he's refusing to take the bait.

:p

Update

Just a random thought. If we pick up one of the following Pickens/Watson/Moore/Metchie I can almost guarantee Fountain, Deiter, Powell and Maybe Gordon don’t make the team. I think Coleman may surprise.

We loaded up on defensive backs!

Offense (26)
Quarterbacks (2) - Patrick Mahomes, Chad Henne,
and Shane Buechele, Anthony Gordon.

Running backs (5) - Michael Burton, Clyde Edwards-Helaire, Ronald Jones II, Derrick Gore,
and Brendon Knox
Draft: (7-251) RB Isaih Pacheco, Rutgers

Wide receivers (6) - Mecole Hardman, Marquez Valdes-Scantling, JuJu Smith-Schuster, Daurice Fountain, and Corey Coleman, Josh Gordon, Gehrig Dieter, Cornell Powell, Chris Finke, Justin Watson, Omar Bayless, Mathew Sexton, Gary Jennings.
Draft: (2-54) WR Skyy Moore, Western Michigan

Tight Ends (3) - Travis Kelce, Noah Gray, Blake Bell, and Jody Fortson (PUP?),
Nakia Griffin-Stewart, Mark Vital, Jordan Franks, Josh Pederson, and Matt Bushman

Offensive Linemen (10) - Nick Allegretti, Orlando Brown Jr, Creed Humphrey, Lucas Niang (PUP?), Trey Smith, Prince Tega Wanogho, Joe Thuney, Andrew Wylie, Geron Christian, Austin Reiter,
and Darryl Williams, Roderick Johnson
Draft: (5-145) RT/OL Darian Kinnard, Kentucky

Defense (24)
Defensive linemen (9)
DEs - Frank Clark, Mike Danna, Joshua Kaindoh,
and Malik Herring, Jonathan Woodard, Austin Edwards
DTs - Chris Jones, Khalen Saunders, Tershawn Wharton, Derrick Nnadi, Taylor Stallworth,
and Cortez Broughton, , Lorenzo Neal Jr, Darius Stills.
Draft: (1-30) DE George Karlaftis, Purdue

Linebackers (5) - Nick Bolton, Willie Gay Jr, Elijah Lee, Jermaine Carter Jr,
and Darius Harris, Shilique Calhoun
Draft (3-103) LB Leo Chenal, Wisconsin

Defensive backs (10) -
CB – Deandre Baker, Rashad Fenton, L'Jarius Sneed,
and Luq Barcoo, Dicaprio Bootle, Brandin Dandridge
S - Zayne Anderson, Juan Thornhill, Justin Reid, Deon Bush,
and Devon Key
Draft: (1-21) CB Trent McDuffie, Washington
Draft (2-62) S Bryan Cook, Cincinnati
Draft: (4-135) CB Joshua Williams, Fayetteville State University (NC)
Draft: (7-243) CB Jaylen Watson, Washington State
Draft: (7-259) S Nazeeh Johnson, Marshall

Special Teams (3) – K Harrison Butker, P Tommy Townsend, and LS James Winchester

What positions do we pick in the 4th and 5th if we don’t trade up? I’m gonna guess that Kingsley and winfrey are gone and we pick Michael Clemons de or dominque Robinson de in the 4th. And hopefully kevin Harris rb in the 5th.

135 and 158 I think

I’m stuck in the 80s and still believe that generating a pass rush with your top 4 DL is the most important thing. DE is still weak.

Desperately need to bring back Ingram and also sign Clowney.

I’m sure we’ll sign at least one of them. Carlos Dunlap is still out there too.

I wouldn’t mind a trade up for Winfrey to help the interior too.

Make those moves and the DL is better than last year. Still a work in progress, but better.

If one of Saunders, Danna, Wharton, or Kaindoh could take a big step forward, that would be great. Not holding my breath though.

Signing Clowney, Suh, or OBJ would be a nice cherry on top

It would definitely be nice to know where we're at in cap after the draft and what it'll take to sign them all.

Would like some more line depth on both sides of the ball and if there is a late strong value pick at RB take it.

Overall impression is we are younger, cheaper and better in D and this will lessen the pressure on Patrick to lead a TD drive every time we get the ball which can only be a good thing.

Think DE in FA is the top need after the draft. Still need 1-2 more receivers in draft or FA.

Would love Clowney but not sure that’s happening. I know Ingram is a fan favorite but he doesn’t really excite me, would prefer someone a little younger with more pass rushing prowess, but not sure that player is available other than Clowney. DE is probably still going to need to be a top priority next offseason.

Should easily win the AFC West by at least 3 games. The question is without Hill can we still match up with the Bills and Bengals.

...is shaping up nicely.

Every single player we've taken should have a day one impact.

A quick visualization/possibilities

QB - Mahomes/Henne
RB - CEH/Jones/Gore
FB - Burton
WR1 - Hardman/MVS/Coleman/Dieter
WR2 - Juju/Moore/Gordon/Powell/Fountain
TE - Kelce/Bell/Gray/Fortson
RT - Niang/Wylie/Christian/Kinnard
RG - Smith
C - Humphrey/Reiter
LG - Thuney/Allegretti
LT - OBJ/PTW
LDE - Karlaftis/(Ingram)
LDT - Nandi/Wharton
RDT - Jones/Saunders
RDE - Clark/Kaindoh, Danna
WLB - Harris/Chenal
MLB - Bolton/Carter
SLB - Gay/Lee
LCB - Fenton/McDuffie/Bootle
RCB - Sneed/Baker/Williams/Barcoo
SS - Reid/Key/Cook
FS - Thornhill/Bush/Anderson

This defense got a lot better the past three days. I still think our pass rush will be fairly weak but we have some real potential at LB and in the secondary

I agree that we still have issues at DE.

Free agency is a possibility for us at DE. We could re-sign Melvin Ingram or someone else.

We really don't know what we have yet in Joshua Kaindoh and Malik Herring.

They might develop.

BUT...

A big question would be what will happen with Frank Clark's legal issues and any possible NFL suspension.

I think we will sign a free agent maybe in this coming week.

Clark, Jones, Nnadi, George K are our starters week 1, unless we sign a veteran like Ingram. That appears to be better than week 1 last year when we were putting Chris Jones on the edge. So that's a positive.

WR's will be quite an experiment. We don't have a true #1 on the team but the position is deeper than it's been in some time. So we'll have to wait and see on that.

I'd say it's going to take at least half a season for this thing to gel, come together. By December this team will be hot and ready for the real games to begin.

I think we probably sign a veteran DT as well, possibly Akiem Hicks

You had me at Patrick Mahomes II.

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Agreed. I don't think you can head into training camp with anywhere near what KC has right now at DE. I'm hoping for Clowney on a 1-year rental and Rasheem Green on 1-3 years.

I know everyone loves the attitude that Melvin Ingram brought, but the production was pretty negligible overall. KC needs more than that. Danna and Kaindoh should be fighting for roster spots.

Veach did a really good job of filling in quite a bit of the rest of the roster, sans TE.

While I'd like to add a DT, I wonder if Spags is looking at some other schemes instead of the 4-3 for a base. I can't remember what Gunther called his stacking of Smith and DT, but that would sure give a lot of teams fits.

I think it's pretty much guaranteed they're bringing in at least one veteran guy for the DL and very potentially two. I'd be surprised if Ingram didn't return given how much better our defense performed as a whole once he joined. His presence went well beyond the stats sheet based on any realistic eye test.